JMAN05:

No he has stated christ invisible return long before 1914. what failed was that they thought that they will receive their heavenly reward that year. He was however, not dogmatic about it.

Another deviation. You ve not said anything.

italo: Rutherford was succeeded by Nathan Homer Knorr, who was born in 1905 and died in 1977.

Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, theNew World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."

True or false.

Yooguyz:


One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be
the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality,
1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and
the start of the earthly paradise.

i have the watchtower quotes to prove them below

italo: Jehovah’s Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. A disfellow-shipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

True or false?

woky: Jesus christ him self don't even knw wen the world wil come to an end

woky:

I thought that they are all descendant of Martin Luther, why the segregation ??

italo: @ Jehovah's Witnesses,

Since you claim you got all these your devilish and false prophecies from the Bible; arent the rest of your teachings which you claim are from the Bible too devilish and false?

Whats the difference?

JMAN05:

Some are often visited by elders, so as to readjust them.

JMAN05:

Ya. that is not our current belief now.

Good word from you. omniscience doesnt know when the end will come? what can you learn from that?

JMAN05:

we are not infallible like the fallible Popes. But Which one in particular is false as we currently believe? Can you prove them false biblically?

JMAN05:

we are not infallible like the fallible Popes. But Which one in particular is false as we currently believe? Can you prove them false biblically?

italo:

Please provide evidence of where he stated before hand that Christ's 1914 return would be invisible.

Everything failed. Everything you people said was a lie.

Let me post a full dossier of your 1914 lies.

italo:

What then is your current teaching about the coming of Christ and why did you change the old 1914 teaching?

italo:

The whole 1914 story was a big lie as I have been showing you.

Even you have said you have changed the teachings.

If the teachings were true, you wouldn't ditch them.

They are false prophecies from the devil.

try69:

People who believed the false prophesies of 1914 would have stuck out their necks to defend it.

How then are you sure the same teachings of this day from the same source/lineage are not wrong teachings?

Do you agree a spirit different from the holy spirit would have given your pioneers the doctrines of 1914?

Peharps this same confusing spirit would have told them to teach you that jesus is angel micheal

This same spirit would have told you to segregate from people you adjudge "sinners", when even christ said he had not come for the righteous but for sinners, that they would be joy in heaven over one repentant sinner?

This same spirit would have taught them to conclude that the world is satan's?

That the UN is controlled by satan when their written agenda and works says differently?

That you should refuse blood transfusion to save your life?

I can go on..

You now even denied russell the founder of JW after his molestation issue was uncovered

Many will arise in my name - Jesus

italo: MORE SHAMELESS LIES BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. (now I know why they lie without remorse or shame on nairaland)

Studies in the Scriptures after 1914

Editions of Studies in the Scriptures written prior to 1914 were very specific about what would happen prior to and during 1914. These journals continued to be used after 1914. To overcome the obviously erroneous predictions, in 1915 they were reissued with amendments.

For example the 1908 edition of Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come stated on p.228 that the resurrection would occur before 1914. The 1915 edition changed this to state that the resurrection was to occur soon after 1914.

Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1908 Ed.
"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance."

Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1915 Ed.


"That the deliverance of the saints must take place very soon after 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished."

Haba! See changing of story...just like they do on nairaland.

JMAN05:

You have the opportunity now to prove it wrong.

JMAN05:

We do not claim inspiration, but we believe that truth comes gradually as the light gets brighter. That doesnt mean a bad spirit took over, no. Just like a bad spirit didnt institute the law and later removed it.

A bad spirit didnt institute John's baptism and later replaced it with Jesus baptism. truth comes gradually.

JAMAN05:

He is. Prove it wrong. Changes doesnt mean that all our believes will continue to change. no, rather those changes keep leading us to greater bible understanding that leads to sacred secrets of God. It even make us gather more spiritual truths unmatched by another religion. Jehovah keep leading His people. This type of humility is never seen anywhere in any religion. If you have allowed the Lord to lead you, you wouldnt have been haboring a doctrine that the truth clearly shows to be wrong. Jah has always led humble people who accepts correction. If Peter had claimed infallibility, he wouldnt have baptised Cornelius. But he was humble to change.



1. No. we do not segregate sinners. we preach to everyone. But if you mean people who are disfellowshipped for wrongdoing (which I think Yooguy belongs to). but what can we make out of this?

1cor. 5:11-13

" But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.

For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked man from among "

From the above, what do you think we should do to wrongdoers? associate with them or remove them?

2. Who rules the world?

John 12:31
" Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

From the above, who could this ruler be? God, Jesus, satan?



1. Explain in vivid terms the beasts that appeared at Rev. 13.

2. read Lev. 17:10-12, acts 15:23-29; 21:25. From the principles which could be drawn from those verses?

When a gun is pointed at your head, and you can save your life only by sleeping with a gal not your wife, which option will you choose? die or fornicate?

JMAN05: We do not claim inspiration

JMAN05:

You have the opportunity now to prove it wrong.



We do not claim inspiration, but we believe that truth comes gradually as the light gets brighter. That doesnt mean a bad spirit took over, no. Just like a bad spirit didnt institute the law and later removed it.

A bad spirit didnt institute John's baptism and later replaced it with Jesus baptism. truth comes gradually.

try69:

I don't know what you want me to say about this.. This is quite laughable..

You do not claim inspiration HABA!!!

Ok please dear one, explain further..truth comes gradually (after series of lies) to the church by Please enlighten me

italo:

Should they say instead,

"OUR LIES COME GRADUALLY?"

try69:

I just did; and with sound reason except you fail to see because you are told not to oppose fallible teaching

And guess you are not aware of JW's flip flop teachings over the years. Ok I get it; Today the holy spirit says "A" and then comes back tommorow and says "sorry oga, what I called A yesterday is actually B"?

In 1975 the WTB&TS taught that the man who sows the seed in the parable of the mustard seed (Matthew 13) is Satan. Later that same year the WT Society taught that this sower was Jesus.

A similar incident occurred in 1978, when the WTB&TS identified the "Alpha and Omega" of Revelation 22:12-13 as Jehovah (that is, God the Father), and then five weeks later taught these verses referred to Jesus.

Resurrection of the Men of Sodom

1879 - They will be resurrected.
1952 - They will not be resurrected.
1965 - They will be resurrected.
1988 - They will not be resurrected.

The 'Lord' in Romans 10:12-16

1903 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1940 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.
1978 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1980 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.

'Higher Powers' of Romans 13:1

1916 - 'Higher powers' refers to governments.
1943 - 'Higher powers' refers to Jehovah God & Jesus Christ.
1964 - 'Higher powers' refers to governments.

Perhaps the lie russell told you that only jW members would survive your armageddon would be revealed when each of you is called by God in death?

Your group has repeatedly changed their doctrines and contradicted previously held beliefs, all while claiming that it alone has the truth. Is this consistent with God's perfection and holiness?

Perhaps you don't think predicting the end of the world and it not coming to pass not just once is catastrophic and anti-prophesy(in the name of God). Maybe you need science to teach you some fundamentals.. Google real time systems

Or probably God has been lying to all your fallible leaders? Russell, rutherford and co.?

Bla bla bla bla...

Deuteronomy 18:21-22
"And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."(KJV)

You JW's are just afraid of russell's armageddon.. You want to survive..lol..that's why even those you adjudge sinners and refute to speak to still wants to come amidst you in what? Fellowship
Bros abeg after quoting me, define fellowship before anything

try69:

I don't know what you want me to say about this.. This is quite laughable..

You do not claim inspiration HABA!!!

Ok please dear one, explain further..truth comes gradually (after series of lies) to the church by Please enlighten me

JMAN05:

If you taught John's baptism before Jesus came, were you teaching the wrong thing?

Did abraham get water baptism? but was it falsehood if you never believed in water baptism then?

If you had been teaching circumcision before christ, were you right or wrong? Did that requirement later change?

If you killed a man who made a woman to have miscarriage in the past, were you sinning?

Can you kill a man who did the same today without incuring God's disapproval?

italo:

Arent you just as evil a liar as your organization?

Look at what they said:

1881 "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from god must be like its author. a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. new light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light. So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another." (Watchtower Feb. 1, 1881, Reprints p. 188)

1917 "In all his (Russell's) warnings he claimed no originality. He said that he could never have written his books himself. It all came from God, through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 7, p. 387.)1922

"This chronology is not of man, but of God. Being of divine origin and divinely corroborated, present-truth chronology stands in a class by itself, absolutely and unqualifiedly correct...." (Watchtower, July 15, 1922)