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Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:14am On Nov 16, 2013 |
MEILYN: Mr Man go and sit down, u no get yarns. You talk with certainty. You sounding like warri guy. Lol. Your boss cleared me dog.....now bark yaself. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by MEILYN(m): 9:16am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by MEILYN(m): 9:17am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:erm, i never said the counting was wrong, or did i? |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 9:18am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: Sounds now like you're bargaining. I didn't clear you from anything. You are still dead wrong in trying to pass off as fact that their was an edit in the 46th Psalm. Then you went on to accuse me of plagiarism when it was you who plagiarized. I also noticed that you haven't responded to the issue of Shakespeare's precise birthdate or my question about your plagiarism. I suppose I'll have to be honest. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 9:28am On Nov 16, 2013 |
MEILYN: You are always here to clean his dirty asss , Folykaze is a factless human being, he likes assuming things. No wonder on this thread, you have corrected him more than 50times. Folykaze is a liar, a big liar at that. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare Here's it |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 9:33am On Nov 16, 2013 |
NativeBoy: The month and day date is wat isn't certain. Everyone knows it's 1564 now |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:35am On Nov 16, 2013 |
MEILYN: . FOLYKAZE 1 MEILYN 0 Your rant here is completely baseless. Bark at the real ball. Prove to me I lied. Ode |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:39am On Nov 16, 2013 |
MEILYN: erm, i never said the counting was wrong, or did i? abeg shift. Your teeth broken. Go and heal that . next |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:42am On Nov 16, 2013 |
NativeBoy: rearrangement and placement is not there? You are dishonest. To prove me wrong, provide another bible version with exact 46 and 46 counts with the word shake and spear specifically. Your dishonesty is boring abeg |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:47am On Nov 16, 2013 |
macof: The month is even accurate but different days. But we all know it 1564. The guy dishonesty is alarming. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 9:59am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: Yeah. Nativeboy, isn't so Native |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by MEILYN(m): 10:17am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE:lmao , you now count scores yourself? thats cheating now. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 10:29am On Nov 16, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: More weasling. Perhaps you can also show that Psalm 46 was edited in 1610. The KJV translation began in 1604. Before you accuse others of plagiarism, look to your own acts. You plagiarized on page 6. For the benefit of followers of this thread, here is the excerpt from the article you tried to pass off as your own. The quote is towards the end. http://www.informafrica.com/afrikan-consciousness/religious-slavery/christianity-scam-exposed-myths-fairytales-superstitions/ We can't keep going back and forth like this. You have lost your integrity. You tried at all costs to undermine the KJV translation and even the meaning of El-Shaddai. You chose to ignore the fact that the conventional meaning is known by scholars to be "God Almighty." Instead you chose to insist on a weakened theory that its meaning is "god of the hills." It is clear that you will contort facts, latch on to weak information for support, and putting forth conspiracy theories, just to continue to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. Please try to explain your blatant plagiarism. I don't see any citations. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by MEILYN(m): 11:07am On Nov 16, 2013 |
NativeBoy:i bet he wont answer this... |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:02pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
NativeBoy: I said manipulation, rearrangement and placement. Is that hard to grasp? Before you accuse others of plagiarism, look to your own acts. You plagiarized on page 6. whao. Great site. Never know such site exist. Lies from you. I have my refute cache and written strikes. I do not copied like you. We can't keep going back and forth like this. You have lost your integrity. You tried at all costs to undermine the KJV translation and even the meaning of El-Shaddai. You chose to ignore the fact that the conventional meaning is known by scholars to be "God Almighty." Instead you chose to insist on a weakened theory that its meaning is "god of the hills." God of the hills is there on wiki with links. Who are the scholar that stated that El-shaddai mean God almighty? It is clear that you will contort facts, latch on to weak information for support, and putting forth conspiracy theories, just to continue to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. You answered bro. You left the argument of Jesus dying for world.....you ran toward El-shaddai and evidence were pointed out with it etymology. You said i am correct on kjv counts. So what is your point? 3hit and you still crying. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 12:08pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
NativeBoy: Show us how El Shaddai means Almighty I've shown u how It means destroyer, mountains and fruitfulness. Abi you want to distort Hebrew-English dictionary? |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 12:10pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
MEILYN: i bet he wont answer this... Puppet, you just here doing supporters club. Show us How Yahweh is the most high God. I've shown how he isn't, and I even showed who the real most high God is |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by MEILYN(m): 1:47pm On Nov 16, 2013 |
macof:you have showed me nothing Mr Man... I will be back for you, low ba3 for now... |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 6:58am On Nov 17, 2013 |
macof: Let's try this again: http://www.el-shaddai.org/whatdoesitmean.asp "God Almighty" redirects here. For other uses, see God Almighty (disambiguation). El Shaddai (Hebrew: אל שדי, IPA: [el ʃadːaj]) is one of the Judaic names of God, with its etymology coming from the influence of the Ugaritic religion upon modern Judaism. Shaddai was one of the many Gods in Canaanite religion.[b] El Shaddai is conventionally translated as God Almighty. [/b]While the translation of El as "god" in Ugarit/Canaanite language is straightforward, the literal meaning of Shaddai is the subject of debate. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Shaddai 1 Like |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:35am On Nov 17, 2013 |
NativeBoy: The first bold stated that he is one of the Gods of canaanite religion. How can Almighty be one of the Gods? What then is El? Been conventional doesn't make it total truth. I suggest we pick things from this site....http://www.knowingthebible.net/the-meaning-of-el-shaddai and there is special thread for this https://www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills we can debate that there. Thanks |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 8:36am On Nov 17, 2013 |
NativeBoy: You Christians never read to understand, never in ur Christian life have u understood how to read carefully. Check the bolded They only assume Shaddai means Almighty because of KJ's conspiracy and lies. however they realize it's not so but for the respect wiki doesn't just want to drop the bomb, it could affect their service, with all this religious bigots everywhere. In Hebrew-English dictionary Shadda means mountain dweller Shadayim means breasts Shadad means destroyer sha means who Dai means enough The Jews call El Shaddai the guardian of the doors of Israel- wats at the doors of Israel? Wat guards Israel? Mountains Where did almighty come from? |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:00am On Nov 17, 2013 |
macof: I ran across an article about bosom at the bold. Dont you think Gen 49:25 which associate El as person with breast and womb mean it refering to goddess Asherah? |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 9:20am On Nov 17, 2013 |
macof: So now Wikipedia is in on the conspiracy too? Christians forced them to say that El-Shaddai is conventionally translated as "God Almighty" then at the same time include that Shaddai is was a Canaanite God? I really don't know what to say to that. I'm thinking you just like to argue for the sake of argument. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 9:31am On Nov 17, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: I haven't forgotten about you FOLYKAZE. So you're contending that you've never visited that site before huh? You are saying you didn't blatantly plagiarize huh? Here's the post from the site: • King James in 1610 commanded his men who were translating the bible into English, to insert the name of his good friend, “Shakespear “, into the 46th Psalms as a 46 birthday gift. William Shakespear was 46 years old in 1610 the year that the bible was completed being translated into English. Get an older King James Version of the bible & count 46 words starting with the first word in Psalms 46 you will come to Shake, and if you count 46 words up from the last word{refuge} In Psalms 46 you will get to Spear.{Note: The updated version of the bible have replaced the word “shake” with the word “quake” in an attempt to cover up this forgery.} Here's your post: FOLYKAZE: King James in 1610 commanded his men who were translating the bible into English, to insert the name of his good friend, “Shakespear “, into the 46th Psalms as a 46 birthday gift. William Shakespear was 46 years old in 1610 the year that the bible was completed being translated into English. Get an older King James Version of the bible & count 46 words starting with the first word in Psalms 46 you will come to Shake, and if you count 46 words up from the last word {refuge} In Psalms 46 you will get to Spear. {Note: The updated version of the bible havereplaced the word “shake” with the word “quake” in an attempt to cover up this forgery. This is the same bible some people call holy inspiration. You stole another's words (including the curly braces) and then lied about it. Then you went on to accuse me of plagiarizing. That's really low man. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 9:40am On Nov 17, 2013 |
NativeBoy: See why I accuse u of not understanding how to read carefully I said wikipedia doesn't want to drop the Bomb in respect for Christians. The evidence is everywhere. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:13am On Nov 17, 2013 |
NativeBoy: Do you know this mean? FOLYKAZE: You looking for more people to pull down your drowning lane. Lol. When I said I have a refute cache. I mean I save everything people use which I think could be of benefit when arguing. This particular thing you pointing out is from Teekay Akin who head 'Free African Project Fb group'. Just like logicboy argument on God foolishness in psalm 14:1, I have it in my cache and since I participated in the discussion and asked for the permission, I am free to draw it from my cache. I dont know your site but thanks for showing it. I am getting more info from it..... And maybe you need to look up for what cache mean. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 10:34am On Nov 17, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: When the Bible(OT) talks about A GOD, it's sometimes difficult to decipher which God in question. Here's some points I digged up: I know asherah/athirat was the mother goddess, Queen of heaven. Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-19 In Ugaritic spirituality(part of present Syria) she is the wife of El, she was the owner of the sea, sea goddess are almost always connected to child birth and fruitfulness . She had 70 children who were also Gods It seems she is the famine aspect of El Elyon and not a separate God in some spirituality(I could be wrong here) But In gen 17:1-2 & 6 El Shaddai introduces himself and gives a blessing on fertility. many other verses show El Shaddai giving blessings on fruitfulness and fertility. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by NativeBoy: 4:33pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE: You're too much man. I'm certain that anyone following this knows that you plagiarized. Cache or no cache, you should cite your sources. In any case, we've strayed from the original point of this thread. The reason not to embrace African spirituality is that Jesus has come. Before then, it was fine to engage in African spirituality, but now the one true God has been revealed. You yourselves liken the Yoruba pantheon of gods to that of other traditions but just as it was in those other traditions and in the Yoruba tradition, when people heard the gospel they embraced it because it was truth. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by macof(m): 7:24pm On Nov 18, 2013 |
Nativeboy: 1. Jesus is for the Jews 2. He is not the Messiah the Jews prophesied, he failed to complete the criteria list 3. He failed in his self appointed mission to his people 4. A false jewish Messiah cannot be Messiah of the world 5. It's illogical for Jesus or any man to be the way of salvation 6. The kind of salvation Christians preach is illogical 7. The Yoruba have their own Messiahs Orunmila(the human), Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Moremi, Awolowo were all Messiah's of their time. Let the Jews keep their Messiahs, they had Moses, Joshua, David, Cyrus(Persian)...they still await the next 8. The Jewish Messiah is not a savior of sin, but a political, military and possibly spiritual leader and teacher. 9. think about it, if Jesus is so important to the world, every spirituality in the world should have had prophecies about it, our ancestors didn't know of any savior of sin that would come 10. Before Oduduwa came to Ife, many Years before he was born(where ever it was), there were prophecies about his coming and that he should be made 1st king of Ife. There was never a person who claimed Ife until Oduduwa fulfilled the prophecy. Now if prophecies about A king could exist why didn't prophecies of a world savior exist? Pls think and stop being brainwashed |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by emotional(m): 10:43am On Nov 21, 2013 |
@FOLYKAZE/MACOF. Is like d concept of Orunmila by (MOST) Edos(binis) is either 1.adulterated 2.is a different Orunmila(there is only one I supposed) 3.or is just a scam. From my findings so far(mostly from u guys),what many Babalawos(in benin) refers to as Orunmila is not,because the way and manner it being done which is quite different from their Yoruba counterpart where Orunmila has its Origin.the Edo concept, 32 nuts are involved,blood of 'hen' is required first and seventh day and these 'nuts' are to be used as means or representation of Orunmila.imagine these 'nuts' being given to a client( who has no idea of divination) as Ifa/ Orunmila,it will yield Zero result I think. The Edos(binis) traditional means of divination,is Iha/Ominigbon(thou also brought to Benin Kingdom by a foreigner) similar to Ifa/Orunmila which I would have believed to be d Bini's version of Orunmila is also strictly a divination tools which doesn't require blood. One of the reasons(lack of proper knowledge) stated above could make pple embrace other foreign Belief. |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:24am On Nov 21, 2013 |
emotional: @FOLYKAZE/MACOF. From my best knowledge, there are many type of Ifa divination. We have Agbigba or Opele (it made up of chain with eight seeds with faces divided into two part), Obi (kolanut), Ile (this is divination on the earth....it mostly on sandy), Olokun (those using this divination are scanty....except in areas like Osogbo, Oyo or Ibadan. What they use for divination is cowries), Wo-mi-pee (most babalawo use this to further enquire what an Odu is saying....that is who the Odu is refering to specifically or for sacrifices), Olokun Awo (it used for consulting spiritual beings) and we have Ikin (that is the palm kernel). Nobody mentioned that Orunmila is from benin. The primary issue here is for Oduduwa. It not for you to believe but further make enquiries on it on yourself. Knowing is more essential than believing. Cheers |
Re: Why Do You Embrace Abrahamic Faith Over African Spirituality? by emotional(m): 11:55am On Nov 21, 2013 |
FOLYKAZE Pls don't get me wrong. There is no where in my/your post that suggest Orunmila is from benin, most of Edo deities are from Yoruba Land. You have helped so much to clarify issues which I had little or no knowledge abt. Then in Benin, looking around every-where you see 'this' which they refers as Orunmila, while reverse was d case during all my years in Yoruba-Land who hold the origin to these Deities. I could recall a visit to Babalawo(in Benin)with my parents for a solution to a particular problem which finally this man recommend Orunmila which was performed and kept(as to be worshiped) in a way I explained in my previous post. What am saying is that,this tradition(Orunmila)seems to be highly ADULTERATED amongst we the Binis, from my inquiries so far. |
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