ige101: More drama yet to unfold,not until the Fed Govt come up with a uniform salary structure for everyone in the health sector,this drama wont cease.What we just read is not unconnected with the discrepancies in salaries of health workers. Let everyone be put on same structure and see if there won't be peace.

Are you serious?! You want doctors to earn the same salary as the pharmacist who sit all day long in an air-conditioned room dispensing the prescriptions of the doctors? It will be possible if only they come to the ward and get needle pricks from the HIV positive patients or confront Lassa fever patients. There is no place in the world where the pharmacists earn as much as doctors in a hospital. So your suggestion is dead on arrival.

You think its all about the title?think again,do you think if the Medical Doc salarry is not twice that of a pharm they would be agitating for that?

zeezahbee: Who's talking about salary? Oooooo you told the whole pharm D issh was about getting a raise in salary, I won't say more to you because you know nothing about what we saying here.

I think it is a welcome development.

The Faculties of Pharmacy within all Nigerian universities, should be accredited and their curriculum/course outline updated to cover a wider 'clinical' practice coverage...

Am glad u got a point from my post,fyi info same salary structure does not translate to both earning same amount,the only diff should be some basic prof allowances

ACM10:

Are you serious?! You want doctors to earn the same salary as the pharmacist who sit all day long in an air-conditioned room dispensing the prescriptions of the doctors? It will be possible if only they come to the ward and get needle pricks from the HIV positive patients or confront Lassa fever patients. There is no place in the world where the pharmacists earn as much as doctors in a hospital. So your suggestion is dead on arrival.

ige101: More drama yet to unfold,not until the Fed Govt come up with a uniform salary structure for everyone in the health sector,this drama wont cease.What we just read is not unconnected with the discrepancies in salaries of health workers.Let everyone be put on same structure and see if there won't be peace.

Do u know each time a doctor enters the theater he is putting his certificate on the line? Meanwhile pharmacists screw up prescriptions all the time and then replace a wrongly dispensed drug with a smile? No courts. No judge ever get to hear.

No point there my dear.Do u also know that anytime a driver drives on d way he put his life on the line?

Pennywise:

Do u know each time a doctor enters the theater he is putting his certificate on the line? Meanwhile pharmacists screw up prescriptions all the time and then replace a wrongly dispensed drug with a smile? No courts. No judge ever get to hear.

ACM10:

Why are you trying to appear clever by latching on one aspect of my comment? Do you think that thorough knowledge of Pharmacology prepares you enough to treat patients? What about Pathology? Can you treat a patient without knowing the pathological basis of the disease? You are picking my points selectively. That's a sign of intellectual weakness.

Get your info right, we do pharmaceutical microbiology so pathology comes in.

ige101: No point there my dear.Do u also know that anytime a driver drives on d way he put his life on the line?

But anybody can be a driver. What was your Jamb score by the way?

This is logic101. Understand it.

Doc. Adray:
I think it is a welcome development.

The Faculties of Pharmacy within all Nigerian universities, should be accredited and their curriculum/course outline updated to cover a wider 'clinical' practice coverage...

Thank you sensible Doc

stefikal: And some of the posts simply make me sad.

Ignorance is really a disease I suppose.

Who ever said Pharm D is about the 'title'?

What ever happened to the main idea- Pharmaceutical care?

Pharmacy practice has evolved from dispensing of drugs to Pharmaceutical care and this is an avenue to improve pharmacists.

If the security system in the world adopted an innovation to improve security services and then the Nigerian Police Force chooses to follow this innovation, does it mean they are simply up for titles?

What is wrong with pharmacists-in-training being equipped so they can stand with their counterparts from any part of the world(not medical doctors) and not bring shame to Nigeria.

Is it a bad thing if Nigeria improves?

I don't just get the concept, y'all claiming that we don't go through medical school. Says who? I'm a pharmacist-in-training and I'm in medical school.

The problem with Nigerians is that we all want to pass our points across even when we realise we could be misleading others.

I still get irked when I meet people and they ask, "What's your course of study?" When I reply "Pharmacy" with the inward joy that I'm part of a noble profession, I get disappointed when the next question comes as, "So you want to graduate and sell drugs in a shop?"

Really? Pharmacy is more encompassing than that, and Pharm. D doesn't limit one to hospital practice. Are we trying to insinuate that the countries that have implemented this programme do not have pharmacists working in Industries, in Academia, in Research and all.

Of course they do, please Nigerians let's embrace progress, Pharm. D is not just for the improvement of the pharmacists but also for the patients, the sole aim is getting better.

You took the words from my mouth. thumbs up

obayaya:

Well maybe I'm wrong for saying the B.Pharm degree is more popular in the US. But I wasn't wrong in my assertion that the Pharm.D degree is a professional/post graduate degree of some sort. And a bachelors of science degree in a relevant field is a pre requisite for that degree.

And you guys a clamoring for a Pharm.D degree as a first degree here?

Oh Please...

All I see here is a desperate attempt to be like others and be considered equal which is wrong.

Mr. Obayaya, sorry are you a Doctor or pharmacist? like seriously you know nothing about what you have been saying since here. Make use of wikipedia or google to understand more before you post anything. Thanks

A clinical residency programme (as is to be found in the last year of Pharm D programme) usually involves a close contact with patients with a sense of responsibility. IMO that cannot be found in a student. Will students take night calls to care for the patients? Would students be available for patient care 24hrs a day (even in shifts)? I think not. Even medical students can't have adequate contact with patients during their training because they have lectures, studying/ reading to attend to. That is why the residency programme of medical Doctors is a postgraduate programme involving working (both supervised and unsupervised) and training/ learning before a medical Doctor can call himself/herself a specialist/consultant. I would like to ask the Pharmacists and even the general public what their reaction would be if medical Doctors decided to increase Medicine and Surgery undergraduate programme from 6yrs to 9/10yrs claiming that the additional 3 or 4yrs is clinical residency after which the fresh graduate would be regarded as a specialist/consultant? Won't there be indignation and fear at being treated by such "specialists"? The Pharm D programme should be a postgraduate clinical residency done in hospitals under the College of Pharmacy certification. There, the Pharmacist is in close working relationship with patients alongside learning. It should not be crashed into the undergraduate programme where students don't have a binding responsibility to patients.
I would also like to note that when u compare what is being done in developed countries like USA, it would be good to read about what the professional medical associations in those countries say about whatever programme they run. One statement that the medical bodies in most countries usually say is paraphrased " any programme should be directed by the needs and situation in that particular country." on that note I would state that "transplanting" degrees/programmes to Nigeria on the basis that it is what obtains in developed countries should not be encouraged because the situation in Nigeria isn't the same with those other countries. Anything done in Nigeria should be relevant to the contry's situation and not just because it is done in developed countries.

ige101: You think its all about the title?think again,do you think if the Medical Doc salarry is not twice that of a pharm they would be agitating for that?

Getting a Pharm D is same as B.pharm, just that you get more clinical experience with pharm D. No one is asking for same salary as the doctor, even in the US that offer pharm D, the doctors salary is still higher than the pharmacists. Pharm D doesn't mean they want to get same salary, get that right ok.

ACM10:

For the first time we are on the same side of the debate.

It is every paramedics desire to bear the title 'Dr', but none of them wants to pass through the medical school and study the nitty-gritty of Anatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Pharmacology and Pathology. I was teaching a Med. Lab student Immunology, he continued to interrupt me, telling me that I was paying attention to details, reminding me that he is not a studying Med/Surg. Explaining further that he only need a general overview of the course to enable him pass exam. Tommorrow, the same guy will rub shoulders with doctors in the hospital.

You are not doing badly. You will see more reason as we go along. Truth is the same as Buddha said" Three things cannot be long hidden, the sun , the moon and the truth." It's the same in politics as it is among warring healthcare professionals. You are welcome my brother.

Pharm. D? B. Pharm?
Pharm. D encompases wider curriculum than B. Pharm so, a graduate of Pharm. D can do what a grad. Of B. Pharm will do. The additions starts from 400level.
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Will it be of help? YES of cos.
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the pharmacist is
physically present and professionally active to
contribute to the positive outcomes of drug
therapy. In addition, he is able to save drug costs
and to avoid unnecessary wastages because of his
intervention at the right time before drug
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action of the drug and the response of the patient
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I hope the quoted tells you something.
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What is it about that title Dr?
It wunt be fair if you possess a Doctor of Pharmacy degree and wunt bear Dr.
Bt, the fact that u bear Dr doesnt change the fact that you are a Pharmacist.
. . . . . Most of those studying Medicine dont really knw that their real name is Physician and dat the DOCTOR title in full is MEDICAL DOCTOR so also the pharm. D owner is PHARMACEUTICAL DOCTOR(DOCTOR of PHARMACY).
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As for the person asking if we study Pathology as a pharm. Student. In my UNIPORT FACULTY OF PHARMACY curricullum(which is alike everywhere) Pathology is done in 300level. Common sense will even tell u that u must knw of a disease to bring a drug for it.
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ACM10:

Are you serious?! You want doctors to earn the same salary as the pharmacist who sit all day long in an air-conditioned room dispensing the prescriptions of the doctors? It will be possible if only they come to the ward and get needle pricks from the HIV positive patients or confront Lassa fever patients. There is no place in the world where the pharmacists earn as much as doctors in a hospital. So your suggestion is dead on arrival.

Come to think of it, so you think pharmacy is about prescriptions only. Am sorry for you. As for the salary, I won't talk about that.

Doc. Adray:
I think it is a welcome development.

The Faculties of Pharmacy within all Nigerian universities, should be accredited and their curriculum/course outline updated to cover a wider 'clinical' practice coverage...

It is not in doubt that Nigerian pharmacists need a more didactic curriculum to become better professionals even if it means increasing study yrs to 6.

But that doesnt entitle them and optometrists to the prefix 'Dr'. Architects spend 6yrs in sch, yet they are not addressed with the prefix 'Dr'. In the US pharmD or not pharmacists are not called doctor sb except in Nigeria.

Why the fixation with the title? A lot of people doctors or not see a sinister motive esp when viewed against the background of the unending acrimony in the health sector.

the general84: A clinical residency programme (as is to be found in the last year of Pharm D programme) usually involves a close contact with patients with a sense of responsibility. IMO that cannot be found in a student. Will students take night calls to care for the patients? Would students be available for patient care 24hrs a day (even in shifts)? I think not.

sane point here bt,
I will like to remind you that the last year is the 6th year(not the 5th year as in B. Pharm) and in that regard there will be time no much acada works again.
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Pls, hw can I get hold of this curriculum?

Even medical students can't have adequate contact with patients during their training because they have lectures, studying/ reading to attend to. That is why the residency programme of medical Doctors is a postgraduate programme involving working (both supervised and unsupervised) and training/ learning before a medical Doctor can call himself/herself a specialist/consultant. I would like to ask the Pharmacists and even the general public what their reaction would be if medical Doctors decided to increase Medicine and Surgery undergraduate programme from 6yrs to 9/10yrs claiming that the additional 3 or 4yrs is clinical residency after which the [b]fresh graduate would be regarded as a specialist/consultant? Won't there be indignation and fear at being treated by such "specialists"?[/b]

to be able to practice in d US, u must b like a consultant of Nigeria.

The Pharm D programme should be a postgraduate clinical residency done in hospitals under the College of Pharmacy certification. There, the Pharmacist is in close working relationship with patients alongside learning.

nt bad though, bt dat means we wil be subjected to post-graduate training if we choose to spend some years in the US bt, with which money?

zeezahbee: You took the words from my mouth. thumbs up

yea, she did to me also. I think she is a specialist in that.

Pennywise:

It is not in doubt that Nigerian pharmacists need a more didactic curriculum to become better professionals even if it means increasing study yrs to 6.

But that doesnt entitle them and optometrists to the prefix 'Dr'. Architects spend 6yrs in sch, yet they are not addressed with the prefix 'Dr'. In the US pharmD or not pharmacists are not called doctor sb except in Nigeria.

Why the fixation with the title? A lot of people doctors or not see a sinister motive esp when viewed against the background of the unending acrimony in the health sector.

Now I can understand you MR. Penny. You think pharmacist want the pharm D or the Dr title because of the 6years it will take to get a pharm D lol, how will architect be called doctor because of 6yrs. Like seriously, You are wrong. In the US, pharmacist are called Doctor, they are entitled to it, if you call the pharmacist or doctor, they are cool. Pennywise I can see you no nothing about what you are saying. Do your research well

zeezahbee: Mr. Obayaya, sorry are you a Doctor or pharmacist? like seriously you know nothing about what you have been saying since here. Make use of wikipedia or google to understand more before you post anything. Thanks

I'm none of the above. But if you have a superior argument, why not present it?

Pennywise:

Do u know each time a doctor enters the theater he is putting his certificate on the line? Meanwhile pharmacists screw up prescriptions all the time and then replace a wrongly dispensed drug with a smile? No courts. No judge ever get to hear.

Who told you no court? Deal with nigeria government for bad regulations. Both the pharmacist and doctor are licensed and belongs to an association that monitor them. So you forgot the rophynol case, the my pikin syrup case. So don't sound pharmacist certificate and license are not put on line. If a pharmacist does any wrong, he/she will be dealt with so same with doctors also. Both certficate are on the line ok.

Samgreguc:
sane point here bt,
I will like to remind you that the last year is the 6th year(not the 5th year as in B. Pharm) and in that regard there will be time no much acada works again.
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Pls, hw can I get hold of this curriculum?

Sharrap. U dont understand what is at play here. Ur leaders are using u as a pon in a game of chess. They dont care about you or the pharmacy profession.

@zeezabee this is a response to you too.

obayaya:

I'm none of the above. But if you have a superior argument, why not present it?

Mr. Obayaya, now I won't argue with you. I will only quote people that understand what we are saying here. Thanks

ACM10:

The catchword there is NITTY-GRITTY. Even Physiotherapists/Nurses/Radiographers do study these courses too, but not in details. Does pharmacy students do practicals with cadaver? I mean dissecting cadaver region by region. It is only Anatomy/MedSurg students that does it.

Moreover, how can you treat a patient without the knowledge of the PATHOLOGY behind the disease. Don't you think that this defiency in knowledge can make a difference between life and death?

I wish I could give this post 1000 likes

Pennywise:

Sharrap. U dont understand what is at play here. Ur leaders are using u as a pon in a game of chess. They dont care about you or the pharmacy profession.

@zeezabee this is a response to you too.

why quote me under another post. Anyways whatever rocks your boat. I won't argue with a blind man

Pennywise:

It is not in doubt that Nigerian pharmacists need a more didactic curriculum to become better professionals even if it means increasing study yrs to 6.

But that doesnt entitle them and optometrists to the prefix 'Dr'. Architects spend 6yrs in sch, yet they are not addressed with the prefix 'Dr'. In the US pharmD or not pharmacists are not called doctor sb except in Nigeria.

The Arch. Spent six yrs and they get an Msc. Degree.(my cousin is one).
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Pharm. D grad. are called Dr in US bro.

zeezahbee: Mr. Obayaya, now I won't argue with you. I will only quote people that understand what we are saying here. Thanks

I've been on this thread since morning waiting for the people that understands to make their submissions.

Until then, make they throw the damn Pharm.D degree into Bermuda triangle make person hear word.

Samgreguc:
The Arch. Spent six yrs and they get an Msc. Degree.(my cousin is one).
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Pharm. D grad. are called Dr in US bro.

You're studying pharmacy in Uniport right?

Pennywise:

Sharrap. U dont understand what is at play here. Ur leaders are using u as a pon in a game of chess. They dont care about you or the pharmacy profession.

@zeezabee this is a response to you too.

okey. I guess u undastand it.

the general84: I wish I could give this post 1000 likes

its gud u gave him a 1000 likes bt, I can remember a frnd of mine studying Pet. Engr. saying his Pharm roomate does dissect. Well, that aside because we are nt there for Surgery.

zeezahbee: Get your info right, we do pharmaceutical microbiology so pathology comes in.

Medical students do a course called pathology/ lab medicine. This course includes: haematology, medical microbiology, chemical pathology and pathology
Microbiology is not Pathology and vice versa