Samakinr:
....if have been agreeing with you all this while, but give me one reason why you actually think the B Pharm is OUTDATED. That's really my problem...it's not even outdated in the US we are copying. PharmD has been on in the US since 1970 and yet the B Pharm is never labelled as outdated. Adeola, jxt see it like this, PharmD for clinically oriented pharmacists and the B pharm for the manufacturers, researchers, and quality controls....so i actually hate you label the B pharm as outdated. Give us respects, that's my second degree

B.pharm your 2nd degree, are you done with it ? Its not outdated but it needs an upgrade.

Shori: and who's talking about a pharmacist ''treating'' a patient?

I was waiting for you to quote that post. Now I get, so they felt the whole issh about the pharmD is to start treating patient and doing surgery sef lol. Wetin concern agbero with overload.

Samakinr:
k. Good girl,...heheheh. I didn't say the UCL offers PharmD. I said they run they run the M Pharm for a cumulative years of 4yrs....my dear i hope you read the link you posted. (btw, something caught my heart on your posting this,..i will soon tell ya)

ok am waiting

adeola_drg:

I'm a 300L student there..

wow, greatest oouite. are you currently in sagamu ? i thought you grad already with your posts. well you must be so intelligent

ACM10:

You still don't get it. My emphasis is on NITTY-GRITTY(most important aspects of the course).

Pathology is made up of MICROBIOLOGY, MORBID ANATOMY, HAEMATOLOGY/IMMUNOLOGY, and CHEMICAL PATHOLOGY. Each of these courses have sub-divisions. Doctors studied these courses in details. Take a look at the curriculum of the doctors in training to learn more. Studying few aspects of these courses is grossly inadequate to prepare you for the challenges of confronting patients.

Can a whole curriculum be touched ? Never,some part won't be touched, same with pharmacology, most of the pharmacology I did, some medical student didn't touch that part. Still as for the microbiology, we did it, not just a bit but for 3 years ranging from chem path to chemotheraphy to immunology etc

obayaya:

Ok o

Obayaya, you never tire. Space dey if you wan enter pharm D lol

zeezahbee: B.pharm your 2nd degree, are you done with it ? Its not outdated but it needs an upgrade.

...no m planning to go for it. Still contemplating wether to do it here in Nigeria or waka go abroad...bt money things...u know

zeezahbee: Obayaya, you never tire. Space dey if you wan enter pharm D lol

Honey, I'm tired!!! I've given up.

I hate the hospitals, the sight of blood and the smell of drugs. Do you still want me to enter Pharm.D?

adeola_drg:

My brother, I'll take time to go through that link. I find it hard to believe that B.pharm still exists in the US, Pharm zeezahbee, is this true?


What I learnt is that b.pharm has been phased out in the US. If it exists, then why do u need a conversion program to work as a pharmacist in the US?

Until I learn otherwise, for me it's outdated.

Who dos B.pharm in US again sef when you can easily do a pharm D. Well few school still offer B.pharm in uS but also have pharm D but if you do B.pharm you have to transfer for your pharm D before you can be licensedthe Pharm.D. degree is generally the more challenging of the two degrees. Pharm.D. students gain more experience in dealing with patients and working with health practitioners than do students who complete only a B.S. Students can enroll in a Pharm.D. pro gram either directly after completing prepharmacy study or after obtaining a B.S. (Those completing both B.S. and Pharm.D. degrees may end up taking longer than six years to finish the two programs, depending on the particular institution or institutions they attend.) Some pharmacy schools offer the Pharm.D. as the only first professional degree, some offer students a choice between the B.S. or the Pharm.D., and others may require a B.S. prior to enrollment in their Pharm.D. program.

adeola_drg:

My brother, I'll take time to go through that link. I find it hard to believe that B.pharm still exists in the US, Pharm zeezahbee, is this true?


What I learnt is that b.pharm has been phased out in the US. If it exists, then why do u need a conversion program to work as a pharmacist in the US?

Until I learn otherwise, for me it's outdated.

....okay...'i got it. The PharmD is the only degree that will label you as a professional pharmacist... Truth you are right. I got my info wrong. I was actually mistaking the UK systems with the US'....BUT adeola, dnt you think there may be difficulty in career progression in this our pharmacy?... I really want to go into this drug production and research...bt the US gives preference to Biochemists and chemists for a career in medicinal chemistry...rather than the PharmD nt to even talk of the Bpharm. Holy spirit help me

zeezahbee: Can a whole curriculum be touched ? Never,some part won't be touched, same with pharmacology, most of the pharmacology I did, some medical student didn't touch that part. Still as for the microbiology, we did it, not just a bit but for 3 years ranging from chem path to chemotheraphy to immunology etc

I don't know what u mean. We have no control over the nature of ailment of the patients that we are going to meet. Hence, the need to cover the curriculum. I don't know of your centre, but such practice is not obtainable where I trained. In pharmacology, I read most of Katzung and Tripathi. The only time that we did not cover our curriculum was when I was in my 1st year(Bio courses). We touched the whole curriculum from my 2nd year till the day I finished my 5th MB exam.

zeezahbee: Ewwww, abeg are you a pharmacist ? So you mean with a pharm D or B.pharm, no pharmaceutical company will employ me until I have a Masters or PHd in chemistry, biochem or biotech. Haba, does that correlate. This biochem or biotech grad are used as back up in pharmaceutical companies secondly, who told you the idea behind pharm D was for clinicals alone, even with your PHarm D you can still work in an industry. Be careful oo

...'i tell you woman, you will only be an entry level worker and remain there in huge companies like GSK(I'M not talking abt the one in Naija o)...unless you have a MPHil or PhD in something like DRUG RESEARCH AND DISCOVERY, MEDICINAL CHEMISTRY....don't be angry if a chemistry graduate is dishing order for you. You can check the prospectus of the University of Texas in Austin

Over here Doctors prescribe, Pharmacists scrutinize the prescriptions for drug reactions, bioavailability, contraindications n whatnot. In the event of possible adjustments, the Pharmacist writes the Doctor to suggest a better alternative since they - The pharmacists - are better aware of information on drugs. Base on the suggestion, the Doctor may adjust his prescription, or gives reasons why he wants the patient to go with his initial prescription. At the end, the patient becomes the major beneficiary of that healthy synergy!

They're called Pharmacists, by the way.

What am I saying? Pharmacy is a crucial field in the field of Health, not minding whether it's B. Pharm or Pharm D. The most important thing is; know your field well--that's the least effort required!

ACM10:

Either you are coming from the mars or you are willfully ignorant for you to deny 'mini clinics', 'side labs' and 'blood transfusion' malpractices by the pharmacists. Your colleagues in the trade must be laughing at you. I can give you names of pharmacy shops manned by a trained pharmacists where the above malpractice is the order of the day. In Benue state, some pharmacist are even pushing the envelope further by doing some surgical procedures. Denying the obvious makes you appear dishonest.

Okay. . I'm waiting for the names. Maybe Pluto,because Mars is closer to planet Earth. I've not heard of any case like that in Nigeria. If such a thing happened as you said,atleast the newspapers and TV stations will have a report on it... You can save me the time checking google by giving me links to where I can read the stories about pharmacists running mini-clinics and laboratories....

zeezahbee: wow, greatest oouite. are you currently in sagamu ? i thought you grad already with your posts. well you must be so intelligent

Lol, m going to sagamu tomorrow.. Thanks.

obayaya:

Honey, I'm tired!!! I've given up.

I hate the hospitals, the sight of blood and the smell of drugs. Do you still want me to enter Pharm.D?

pele , oya take popcorn and coke. So you hate both pharm and medicine ? Yimu. Ok tell me what do you do ?

ACM10:

Why are you trying to appear clever by latching on one aspect of my comment? Do you think that thorough knowledge of Pharmacology prepares you enough to treat patients? What about Pathology? Can you treat a patient without knowing the pathological basis of the disease? You are picking my points selectively. That's a sign of intellectual weakness.

....and yeah I'm being selective because I can only reply the sensible part of your replies. The parts I discard either doesn't make sense or ...

zeezahbee: pele , oya take popcorn and coke. So you hate both pharm and medicine ? Yimu. Ok tell me what do you do ?

I'm an Engineer

Thanks for the coke and popcorn

Ndababa: Over here Doctors prescribe, Pharmacists scrutinize the prescriptions for drug reactions, bioavailability, contraindications n whatnot. In the event of possible adjustments, the Pharmacist writes the Doctor to suggest a better alternative since they - The pharmacists - are better aware of information on drugs. Base on the suggestion, the Doctor may adjust his prescription, or gives reasons why he wants the patient to go with his initial prescription. At the end, the patient becomes the major beneficiary of that healthy synergy!

They're called Pharmacists, by the way.

What am I saying? Pharmacy is a crucial field in the field of Health, not minding whether it's B. Pharm or Pharm D. The most important thing is; know your field well--that's the least effort required!

The most sensible reply on this thread so far...

Samakinr:
....okay...'i got it. The PharmD is the only degree that will label you as a professional pharmacist... Truth you are right. I got my info wrong. I was actually mistaking the UK systems with the US'....BUT adeola, dnt you think there may be difficulty in career progression in this our pharmacy?... I really want to go into this drug production and research...bt the US gives preference to Biochemists and chemists for a career in medicinal chemistry...rather than the PharmD nt to even talk of the Bpharm. Holy spirit help me

If that's what you want, carry go! There's no stopping you. A pharmD degree won't stop u from going into drug production and research, it's ur birthright as a pharmacist and no one can take it away from you.

If u feel an M.phil or PhD would give u better recognition, then fine!

I don't understand how a chemist or biochemist would be given preference.

adeola_drg:

If that's what you want, carry go! There's no stopping you. A pharmD degree won't stop u from going into drug production and research, it's ur birthright as a pharmacist and no one can take it away from you.

If u feel an M.phil or PhD would give u better recognition, then fine!

I don't understand how a chemist or biochemist would be given preference.

...'i think you may want to check this out. You will find more info to support your arguments...
http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/pharmacist/BS-Pharmacy-vs-PharmD/t62854

nagoma: The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school. The confusion in Nigeria's healthcare continues as we copy blindly from America.

and wats so special about d title "dr" if i may ask??

Samakinr:
....okay...'i got it. The PharmD is the only degree that will label you as a professional pharmacist... Truth you are right. I got my info wrong. I was actually mistaking the UK systems with the US'....BUT adeola, dnt you think there may be difficulty in career progression in this our pharmacy?... I really want to go into this drug production and research...bt the US gives preference to Biochemists and chemists for a career in medicinal chemistry...rather than the PharmD nt to even talk of the Bpharm. Holy spirit help me

hummmm,I don't know about that anyways. The choice is yours

youngRx:
and wats so special about d title "dr" if i may ask??

like seriously

Black Swan:
Ha! Isn't it obvious that the desire to be called 'Doctors' is a huge driving force behind this development?
PharmD in other countries is like a post graduate degree but the Nigerian case is different. PharmD in Nigeria is first degree .

Pls do your research before writing false statements! PharmD is a first degree in Canada and the US. In the UK, MPharm is a first degree. It is not about the title "Doctor", the Pharmacy practice has evolved over the years and Nigeria is one of the countries lagging behind. Pharm D is much more clinical oriented than Pharm. Pharmacists are supposed to follow-up pharmaceutical care up to patient-care...not just dispensing drugs.

Samakinr:
...'i think you may want to check this out. You will find more info to support your arguments...
http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/pharmacist/BS-Pharmacy-vs-PharmD/t62854

Well, there you have it. It's ur choice now..

nagoma: The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school. The confusion in Nigeria's health-care continues as we copy blindly from America.

who is this, what did u just say- did u just refer to pharmacist as wannabe doctors ,i don't blame u. i blame the stupid system in Nigeria that place doctors above in the hospital sector. i blame the nurses for not knowing their worth and standing their ground when it comes to a matter of fact. i blame Nigeria for not encouraging investors and other foreign people when they want to set up a pharmaceutical firm. i blame psn and pcn for not living up to reputation of their name.

evanscheck:


who is this, what did u just say- did u just refer to pharmacist as wannabe doctors ,i don't blame u. i blame the stupid system in Nigeria that place doctors above in the hospital sector. i blame the nurses for not knowing their worth and standing their ground when it comes to a matter of fact. i blame Nigeria for not encouraging investors and other foreign people when they want to set up a pharmaceutical firm. i blame psn and pcn for not living up to reputation of their name.

Omg, evanscheck, thumbs up for that. Really appreciate

le bien connu: Going by the extant rivalry between the pharmacists and the doctors in Nigeria I would say the pharmacists should just concentrate on the drugs and leave the patients to the doctors. Two drivers cannot drive the same bus at the same time. At least for peace to reign.

do you know how many mistakes a doctor wud make a day, it cant amount to more than 2 loss of lives a day. but if a pharmacist makes a simple error, it wud amount to more than 10 loss of lives. pharmacist can not just concentrate on drugs alone cos after producing the drugs we cant watch its abuse so we are there to make sure that the drugs are given correctly in the most efficient way, with the proper dosing and in the right dosage form.

pDude: Gloried medicine sellers

maybe dey want to do Obs n Gyn, paediatrics, medicine n surgery

adeola_drg:

U're one brilliant doctor I respect on NL. I'm surprised u still don't get the gist!

Forget the drug Lord name. Pharmacists don't just want to sit and dispense no more. That's so last century!!! We want to interact with the patients, doctors and nurses in the wards. Our mates everywhere is into this already, just naija!

Please elaborate.

adeola_drg:

There's a difference. How much time do doctors have to go to the patients bedside, and take time to talk to the patients about diff things, his medication, his lifestyle, knowledge about his disease states and all. This is what the pharmacist offers and pharmD only makes sure he's clinically loaded to help the patient. Tell me something else.

i assume this is the answer to my question. Let me pose another shouldn't you also be busy doing something else err i dunno like giving out drugs than going to a patients bedside and counselling e.g his lifestyle?


it is my belief that as a pharmacist you probably dispense hundreds of prescriptions a day. you can do a world of good by ensuring that the patient understands the prescription and dosage of medication to take. you have also interacted with the patient.