prettyprettywow: I wasn't referring to nurses as the defenders. I quite agree that some courses have more prospect than others. Does the offshore engr tell you that they are naturally the leader of the team?, that you are a support staff in the oil industry? that he owns the rig? or that you are less of an engr because he earns more? Your mentality is different from the average drs mentality. You are talking from the piont of view as an engr which is different from what is happening in the health sector. so would you seriously liken the healthsector with an aircraft or the judiciary?

Besides, I was referring to the university I graduated from and what happens during MBBS. I don't know about your school. But it is the same group that will tell you that you failed jamb

einsteino:

I agree that doctors could be such a proud fool, inshort my aunt who was a nurse once came back home vexed that a young resident doctor insulted her. at the time she was due to retire in a year's time, imagine that. well it was easy dealing with the manner-less resident cos her daughter was a consultant doctor in the same hospital...lol

well to answer the bolded, i think i finally understand where the problem lies. it appears you guys are not thought the organogram of your industry in school. you know the first time my friend who was a student of architecture told me they are our team leaders in building projects, i was like wtf! how can that be? architecture was a branch of civil engr, we even are taught architectural design... blah blah. then finally in one of our courses we were thought the organogram of our industry, down to our history and found out why it had to be so.

now if am in an offshore facility, am nothing more than a service engr, someone who builds and maintains whatever the pet engrs and d rest needs. i cant lead their team but i am part of that team, although i would be allowed to head my dept, inshort a pet engr cant head my dept.. although u never would find him looking down on me, i dunno y sha.. engrs always seem to bond very well, u will hardly find an engr fighting over who is more important. as a matter of fact most of my friends who are mech engrs, pose as civil engrs and i even happily help em when they consult me(osho free consultation in most cases o! just d same way they gave me free soakis in sch..lol).

Now if i happen to be in an oil servicing firm, he would have to succumb to me. it is more or less, this is my field so its best for the team if i lead cos am d most knowledgeable here, then when am in urs its best i listen to u .

the problem with the health care is that other professions like nurses dont seem to have their own field where they lead, it appears u always have to say yes to the doctor. Actually it isn't supposed to be a problem cos the nightingale nurses started out with the sole purpose of assisting the doctors. funny enuf they bonded so well that doctors ended up marrying their nurses.

I recommend a salary review for JOHESU[b] but it is critical that doctors keep running hospitals.[/b] this issue of a fresh resident doc earning more than a nurse with msc and 20yrs experience is crazy.

ideycraze:

Enough of this doctors- save- lives noise.Doctors are important so are all other professions
Are doctors the only ones leaving the country? People from all facets of lives have been leaving the country since God knows when. Nobody should come and threaten us here ,should i donate my balls to doctors because i don't want them to leave the country? Engineers ,Lawyers,Biochemists,Welders,Bricklayers,Alagbo Jedi,et al all leave this country on a daily basis and nobody is crying foul,if u want to leave what are you waiting for?
You come here to tell us how important the doctors are on a daily basis,Who is not important?
Are the Abokis who rear cows not important?
What about the fishermen? What about drivers who move petroleum products from one place to the other? Can doctors dig boreholes?
In todays world of Medicine,what can a doctor do without electricity? Did the doctors invent electricity? Are they more important than the bricklayers who built the hospitals? Are they more important that the Engineers who build roads? The cars they drive,did the doctors manufacture them or can the carry out repairs on them?Can doctors fix ACs? What about the beds they use in the hospitals? Can they produce them?


Show me a doctor who says Medicine is the most important profession then i will show you a complete foool

prettyprettywow: @ the first bolded: It is the same O'level requirement for all health workers.5 credits in...physics, chemistry, biology, maths and English. It doesn't matter if you had parallel A's or C's. And again, medicine is not 6 credits at one sitting but 5credits. get your facts right. You claim you are not in medical field, yet you claim to know more than those in the field. Pick a JAMB Brochure and check the O'level requirements.

einsteino:

oh yes am not a doctor and u can go through my posts here on nl, should incase u have any doubt.you would see where i have offered information on the best kind of foundations for buildings, if you still chose not to believe, check my linkedin profile http://ng.linkedin.com/pub/einstein-ojogan/90/272/714/

now i want to believe you have held a jamb brochure before. if you have, then you must have noticed every school has the power to dictate its minimum requirements for a course. in mine, medicine was 6credits.. inshort not only medicine, some other courses were too.

like i said, i attended a uni, i made friends across all works of lives, i am the kind of person who is not confined to a particular area. you may be surprised that am a civil engineer, yet my signature reads i fix hardbricked phones, thats a proof that my hobby is clearly different from my career. also my very close aunt whom i lived with at a time was a nurse, i have cousins who are too(inshort i teased them when i saw JOHESU's demands..pardon me but some showed nuffin more but hatred for docs lol).
i also have cousins who are doctors and in my family, we aint the kind that discuss people, so we are oftenly left with no choice other than to discuss different sectors of life. thats how i managed to know the little i do, i can understand if it seems alot to you... the same way my knowledge of computers and electronics seems alot to those who actually did study those courses.lol. however i would never drag your field with you, all i ask is do not be biased when you argue. you all are important, you do not need to downplay anybody for you to appear more significant.

i was shocked when a doctor here was proud to say that when nurses striked, they organised people to do their jobs(trying to show that they are not important). if an airforce man gets killed by touts, am sure any army man around would join hands to see they fish the touts out.



i am done with this thread.

prettyprettywow: what is your position on directorship in the hospital? Is that also part of the organogram? what i was taught about organogram in school is that the patient is at the center and surrounded by healthcare professionals. I think only the medical students were taught the organogram, hence the fight. @ the bolded: what do you mean by nurses don't have their own field? what happened to the healthcare field? Nightengale worked with the doctors and not for them. If nursing doesn't have its own field like you said, i wonder why it is regarded as a unique profession, it would have been under the medical profession. The problem with the nursing profession was the greater number of women in it at the time women were not taken seriously, when they were seen and not heard and are considered to be under a man. But this is 21st century where women have been liberated, study their 24 commandments in depth.

what of pharmacy, medlab, physiotherapy, radiography, don't they have their own field? or is everybody working at the doctor's field?

@ the seconded bolded, if it is the right of the doctors to run hospitals in UK, US, Canada, Australia, and there healthcare is very effective, then let it be so in Nigeria. But if not,......I still wonder how the health indices of the giant of Africa is rated 187th out of 190 nations under the natural leadership of Drs

sonofaGod: FOOLS,keep dispaying arrogance and animosity towards doctors till u will require doctors services to save your lives or that of your loved ones one day.that's when u will recognise their importance in society.there is a good reason y doctors are leaving this countries in droves more than benin gals are going to italy because society has failed to give them their dues even though d same society expects so much from them

einsteino:


honestly i have been up all night and sleep don dey catch me. so forgive me if i no answer all your questions. the way i see it, y'all are like a lady raised by a feminist. everything you would be taught is anti-male. forgive me, am not a chauvinist sha


when a patient comes to the hospital, he comes to see a doctor(if the doctor is not there, he would go home ). the doctor diagnoses what's wrong with the aid of test results and his medical knowledge, then prescribes what the pharmacist would give him. it is the needs of the doctor that brings everyone else in. it is more a less like a singer and fan rship, fans are all over singers forgetting it takes a producer, mixer and a whole lot of other people to get those great songs. now the producers cant ask to be shown in every music video so they would be noticed, rather what is needed is for the singers to always acknowledge, pay and respect them.

even in civil engr, the needs of the engr brings a whole lot of professionals like quantity surveyors, they have to work with us cos our jobs brings them jobs. but unfortunately they cant head the team, but they are well paid and respected by us. just the same way i make friends with architects cos once they get a big job, it means i too have a job ... if dem like make dem form boss, as long as dem gree pay wetin i charge and dem no dare insult me.

Pharmacy is such a gold mine, in most countries they are by far richer than docs. but not when all they do is dispense drugs, the biggest field in pharmacy is producing drugs. unfortunately in Nigeria, that sector hasn't been tapped. just the same way some civil engrs are now relegating themselves to acts like competing with architects in drawing building plans simply cos they can't get their hands on pure civil engr jobs.

one funny thing about the truth is that it doesnt give an F abt our opinions, no matter what we say here today.. the truth would be the truth.

i need to sleep, so i dont fall sick and get admitted in a hospital where doctors and nurses are fighting over who is boss.

annoymous: lmao

this guy sounds like he is just playing politics with lives of Nigerians. I don't want to believe that the doctors are irrational and that they just don't want to work after signing MOU. something is just not right.

adeoladrg:

You fools also display ignorance and hate towards other health professionals. And until you begin to see healthcare as a teamwork model and stop seeing the hospital as ur palace, there won't be peace.

youngdoctor:
d bastard dt made sure yu came to ds earth abiyu ingrate!

nationwide24: I think this strike is an opportunity for JOHESU to really take over hospital management as doctors are empty vessels. No need for this debate.

youngdoctor: As a doctor..i can tel yu ds FG is schizophrenic...we ve made a mistake electing ds bastards.
Ok,wat do dey expct frm d debate...we call of d strike?IMPOSSICANT..dey re jst making us feel more special and needed..
1).poly guys on strike
2).college of edu.guys on strike.
3).no intrvention into O.A.U's mata.
4).Chibok girls ve bn frgotten.
5)football has bn banned.
6).me nd ma colleagues and seniors on strike.
7)total blackout here in akure.
Nd yu cal ds a government...i laff in physics....F*ckd up pipu..shioor

einsteino:

Sorry am an engineer, not a doc. But ur comparison is faulty. Army, navy, airforce are in d same cadre just as mech engrs, civil engrs. Comparing doctors with nurses is wrong. They do not have the same admission requirements like army, navy, air force, neither do they spend d same no of years. D right comparison would have been a non officer in d army lyk sergeant vs an officer say lieutenant cos though they both work in d same army, their qualification is different and admission requirement is different, and only the officers are allowed admin positions

ziga:

Don't mind how people react based on emotions and mix a lot of things up.

In developed countries where they have hospital management, their responsibilities are totally managerial and they do not make clinical decisions without consulting with the appropriate clinical specialties.

And the overall head of the clinical team is the chief medical director, who is always a MD.

I don't care about managers being employed to head hospital managements in Nigeria, as long as they make good management decisions and improve quality of life for Nigerians.

Doctors in Nigeria are grossly underpaid, that is why Doctors are trained for cheap in Nigeria and the leave the country for more competitive jobs in developed countries where they are appreciated.

I don't understand how Nigerians are clearly being robbed by their own leaders and they don't see.

Well... we get the leaders we deserve.

ideycraze: A public debate would not in any way solve the problem. The Minister, NMA and possibly JOHESU should sit down and rub minds together to proffer solution to the problem at hand..

eejo: health care is like the armed forces the army, navy, airforce must work together to win a war nobody is more important than the other since 1960 doctors with no administrative knowlege had been heading still WHO rank nigeria health care 191 out of 197 despite huge fund been spent time for a change nigerians needs a fine health care system so that we can ranked among the top 20 in the world

prettyprettywow: what is your position on directorship in the hospital? Is that also part of the organogram? what i was taught about organogram in school is that the patient is at the center and surrounded by healthcare professionals. I think only the medical students were taught the organogram, hence the fight. @ the bolded: what do you mean by nurses don't have their own field? what happened to the healthcare field? Nightengale worked with the doctors and not for them. If nursing doesn't have its own field like you said, i wonder why it is regarded as a unique profession, it would have been under the medical profession. The problem with the nursing profession was the greater number of women in it at the time women were not taken seriously, when they were seen and not heard and are considered to be under a man. But this is 21st century where women have been liberated, study their 24 commandments in depth.

what of pharmacy, medlab, physiotherapy, radiography, don't they have their own field? or is everybody working at the doctor's field?

@ the seconded bolded, if it is the right of the doctors to run hospitals in UK, US, Canada, Australia, and there healthcare is very effective, then let it be so in Nigeria. But if not,......I still wonder how the health indices of the giant of Africa is rated 187th out of 190 nations under the natural leadership of Drs

youngdoctor: .
O.M.G..i forgot to check your username before replying you..if you have a doctor in your family,tell him/her to check your vitals..you need help and ALAS!we are on strike.so he/she can help

prettyprettywow: I attended the same university with medical students. We studied together. We all know whats up among ourselves. Stop deceiving yourself and the public. We know what happens after their MBBS exams, and how most cross over. Don.t forget that I had them as friends in school.We still have people in studying physics, aeronautic engineering, mechanical engineering and they have not committed suicide. You can tell this cock and bull story to the market women. This is how we used to hear about how hard anatomy is before we entered school. No be the same anatomy I do with the medical students in the same class and same exam? mtcheeeeeewww. Days are long gone when we hear this kind of gist. Commit suicide indeed. suicide is a psychiatric problem let me tell you. And people have been committing suicide without going to medical schools.

As for speaking in tongues, in my school, student nurses spoke in tongues more than other students because of their council exams which is a standardized exam in this country.

So because defenders hardly get as much as a striker, does that make him inferior/less important?

Opiosko: If something is wrong somewhere, don't u think a public debate about it will open up the issue? If the Docs are sure of their case they should accept d fair challenge.