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Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by dumodust(m): 8:30am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Dnaz:the writer has a good head on his shoulders |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by dumodust(m): 8:38am On Jul 12, 2014 |
omotfavy: u are a bloody liar,in my own facility we have patients dat are been taken care of so stop saying wat u donnoyeah... taken care of by patrolling about them bedridden patients... health professionals turned security men with no initiative |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Shakes85: 8:51am On Jul 12, 2014 |
DebateNigeria: Debate is good news.The problem with hospital management in nigeria is corruption jst like other govt parastatal. When the post of C.M.D is influenced by politics rather than merit. Even an administrative clerk is even corrupt. Some patients are beign overcharged by the cashier in revenue when clearing discharged patient. The bottom line is when will nigeria fight corruption and do things on merit. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Emulti(m): 8:54am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Ashuale: When has public debate become solution to strike?.FG shying away from responsibilties.and some people are craving for a debate. After the debate and lets assume FG wins,what happens?.you forget that winning debates is by eloquence, good oratory and excellent lying. Lives are going.only nigeria will this happen. Doctors are not stupid.FG and johesu should stop misinforming the public.they see the systemic failure in nigeria and they take it to their advantage. My dear, FG backed JOHESU cos JOHESU's demand is in line with international best practices in health. U can make ur research pls. 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Nobody: 9:06am On Jul 12, 2014 |
phantom: a debate? .....with who? this criminally minded FG.? these thieves who can't debate to save their lives want to debate with doctors?? loooooool You are an arrogant fool |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by mrtruth: 9:08am On Jul 12, 2014 |
psychologist: Gud evening mr chairmanYayayayayaaaa no kill pikin 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by citizenisb: 9:24am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by MegMich(m): 9:31am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Get the patients involved as well!!! Amma rep them. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by betatalk: 9:51am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The doctors should tell the whole world why they should alwaz hold the nation to ramsom. They use ordinary citizenS as pawn and act like tanker drivers. Its the health sector and it comprises of other profession, why are they so selfish. I am sure they won't honor it because they are cowards that hide under strike. 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by erasokafor(m): 10:01am On Jul 12, 2014 |
youngdoctor: As a doctor..i can tel yu ds FG is schizophrenic...we ve made a mistake electing ds bastards. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by idris4r83(m): 10:01am On Jul 12, 2014 |
youngdoctor: As a doctor..i can tel yu ds FG is schizophrenic...we ve made a mistake electing ds bastards.100000000000000000 likes |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Orikinla(m): 10:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
What a joke. Is that the solution? |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by erasokafor(m): 10:11am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I can see that human lives mean notin to u people. First is that u people belive that there is serious inequality btw medical docs n other health professionals.second is that u doctors will want the whole nigerian money into ur pockets n others shld suffer. You people talk of hazzard allowance as if other non medical staff in the hospital are not exposed too. U doctors shld hv a rethink.I support this public debate let nigerians hear the whole agitations frm u people as direct sources.let us be the judge 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by echarlz(m): 10:21am On Jul 12, 2014 |
einsteino:I've followed with great interest your contributions to this debate. I admire your fairness and brilliant grasp of the issues despite being an engr. Needless to say, too much lies have been fed to the Nigerian public esp on the issue of emoluments. For instance, no resident doctor's salary can be compared with that of Registered nurse/registered midwife of 20 years experience. Such categories of nurses earn same with medical consultants even without a B.NSc. I respect nurses a lot because they make far greater input to patient care than many of those who claim to know and do better than med docs. What these people will not tell you is doctors never made a demand for pay rise ab initio. But if other health workers get gradfe levels skipped and automatic pay rise, doctors too shouldn't be stagnant. But beyond all this, let us embrace PRIVATISATION. It will solve the many hydra-headed problems in the health sector. Every category of health worker will take their rightful places, justify their earnings and allow people rise based on merit, experience and input to patient care- the centre-point of our callings. There will be no more threats of strike actions for a people's unending agitation for undeserved allowances or punishing an erring worker, including the now famed arrogance of med docs! 4 Likes |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Nobody: 10:26am On Jul 12, 2014 |
No body hates doctors, but the issue is that of pride. If you are the head you are the head, you don't have to lord it on others. Doctors even fight themselves because of pride and arrogance e.g there was a case in LUTH where a consultant slapped the ARD president. And a case in UCH where two consultants fought themselves over who owns a patient in the ICU. Yet another case of a consultant telling the regs. To stand on the table in the ward in front of patients because they came late. Even among doctors, a lot of fighting is going on because of ego problems. The problem btw "Doctors" and other health professionals is effective communication which is caused by pride And low selfesteem. There was a case a well trained house officer politely apologised to a nurse old enough to be his mother only for a Reg. To insult him saying he should never apologise to a nurse never. Respect is earn not forced, respect is reciprocal. Unfortunately other healthworkers have reached their breaking point and are fighting back. I don't see strike ending the problem of the health system because arrogance and low self esteem is a problem of the heart. 2 Likes |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by pazienza(m): 11:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
prettyprettywow: I attended the same university with medical students. We studied together. We all know whats up among ourselves. Stop deceiving yourself and the public. We know what happens after their MBBS exams, and how most cross over. Don.t forget that I had them as friends in school.We still have people in studying physics, aeronautic engineering, mechanical engineering and they have not committed suicide. You can tell this cock and bull story to the market women. This is how we used to hear about how hard anatomy is before we entered school. No be the same anatomy I do with the medical students in the same class and same exam? mtcheeeeeewww. Days are long gone when we hear this kind of gist. Commit suicide indeed. suicide is a psychiatric problem let me tell you. And people have been committing suicide without going to medical schools. What course exactly did you study in the university? |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by einsteino(m): 11:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
prettyprettywow: Anyway, i am done responding to you. you keep going round and round. what if a patient comes to see the doctor and the lab guy is not around? won't the patient go home and come back another day? what if a patient needs admission and the nurse is not around? will he still be admitted?. No need of arguing with you cos you no get flows. I actually thought you had something to offer. It's a shameYou keep avoiding the main issues. bye bye prettyprettywow: if medicine is 6credits, what is the other course aside the 5core science courses? CRK? Agric? Govt? yoruba? My dear, no need of giving me your life history. II am not arguing that with you. I only said that because you are acting like you know more than those in the field. Unless your school is different from other schools in Naija, the standard requirement is 5credits. let the Drs prove me wrong on this and not you. no you actually thought i was going to take sides with you. i saw your organogram, i was the first person to click like. now in your organogram patients are the leaders, thats no news... in every business, customers are the boss. why i said i believe it was skewed, is cos an organogram clearly states levels in an industry. yours has nothing of such nature, there is no way that could be called an organogram. i decided to work with it, and used the analogy of the music industry where a singer(in this case doctor) gets all the praises from the fans(patients) meanwhile it takes more than just a singer to produce a great song. with all this, you still chose to sit wherever u are and rain insults on me, that early in the morning. i have fairly given my opinion, and like i said the truth doesn't give an F abt anyones opinion cos the truth remains the truth. you guys problem is, any opinion other than yours is rubbish. i keep going round and round? aren't you guys doing the same? opening threads here and there about NMA vs JOHESU, are you guys(NMA and JOHESU) the only ones in the country sef? see i never insulted you and if you can't at least say something without insulting me, then i had better keep to myself. afterall nairaland doesnt pay me to reply. since you guys are so important, go out and battle it with doctors. whatever comes out of it, dont disturb us. if the doctors refuse to work, you guys should treat the patient or better still also abandon your duties. the worst that would happen is public health care would be scrapped out and everyone including doctors would be thrown into private practice where the patients would decide. If i evaded your question, would you die if you politely call my attention to it? or you think this is an exam where i would get penalised for not answering a question? initially it was NMA vs JOHESU, i was just tendering my opinion afterall i have been a patient before and might still be if i fall ill. now from your comments it appears you are wrecking your anger on me like am a doc. it takes level headedness to suceed in life, y'all keep fighting. while semi literates who claim to be graduates get to be governors and presidents and dictates to you(NMA and JOHESU). dont put your house in order and in unity ask that the poli-thiefcians focus more attention on the health sector. I wouldnt answer any more questions afterall am not in the healthcare sector. let you guys sort out yourselves. 4 Likes |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Nobody: 11:15am On Jul 12, 2014 |
moshoodn: Truth is most doctors in Nigeria are not committed. Shut up your mouth. Israeli doctors were on strike for 6 months, and only called it off recently after their demands were met. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Nobody: 11:37am On Jul 12, 2014 |
DebateNigeria: Debate is good news. Bros, you have said it all. Government should employ health managers to manage our hospitals, but doctors should remain head of clinical services. Again, government should adopt the US system, and completely employ it in our country. It will resolve this problem once and for all. As long as pharmacists, lab scientists and nurses do not lord it over doctors anywhere in the world, it should not happen in Nigeria. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by moshoodn(m): 12:23pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
ILIDEFI:Hey, must you insult? Men like Armadeo, Leopantro and Daygeee made valid corrections in a matured way.. You just open your mouth to insult. I pity you. Besides this same Israel you're talking about didn't totally shut down their health sector... The Government deployed military doctors to stand in lieu. Next time, be courteous. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Arsenate(m): 12:37pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
too much ado about nothing. if doctors strongly believe they are on the right then they should gladly honor this invite for debate. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by thuao(m): 3:05pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
The debate is not the issue, the main issue is what wud be the gain of the debate. 1. Will the winner have his way. If NMA, will their demands be met. If Govt, will NMA call off its strike. 2. What will be the modality. 3. The public is presently biased against the doctors as it is, for reasons bst known to them. And the minister is playing on public sympathy. Like someone said the debate wud be won by the mor eloquent side. Most human lives be based on fluency of speech or ow gOod u re grammatically. 4. For all the necessary issues to be settled n for the public to be well inforMed n av a fair playing ground for both parties. The debate wud take nothing less than a week, if not more. So the FG is saying that we shud wait for another 2-3wks because it has no clue. Problem in the health sector was borne out of greed on the part of both NMA n JOHESU. Govt has always bin bad no need adding them now. For only greed can make johesu to want to head doctors, wia in the world is that done. Only greed can make johesu to want to be consultants without necessarily aving thE required condition on ground n not really having a grasp of what consultants in their field do, they re attracted by the added incentives. Only greed will make nma not to allow johesu bcom consultants provided all requirements re met. Mind u johesu comprises of strange bed fellows, well all other hospital not health workers apart frm doctors( pharmacist nurses lab scientist/tech radiologist porters cleaners physitherapists etc ) Am a doctor and I don't agree with all the 24points stated by NMA but I agrees with most of them. The public has to be enlightened, most peeps on NL n the public re speaking ignorantly n venting anger against Drs. Maybe cos they felt we re overpaid, arrogant selfish etc. But its better only to talk when u av facts. Greed is a peculiar to humans irregardles of Ur profession. And don't come telling me one oath, oath or oath every gentleman knows the right thing to do, and u av ur conscience to guard. So because of oat if am not being treated fairly I shud not complain, blame the govt for the strike sinx its the only language they understand. I wud av like if NMA allow emergency services atleast people won't suffer more. The crises will linger until everyone knows their position and value their work and re proud of their profession. And finally FG johesu n nma come together and settle our differences sinx we re a team. 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
moshoodn: I had to sound like that because you were very emphatic over something you were not sure of, to the point of asking people to quote you, which I did. If Israel employed military doctors, were you told Nigerian military doctors are on strike? They never go on strike, and are always on ground in military hospitals. The truth is that doctors are still working, but only in private and mission hospitals, so lives are still being saved. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by bumfem: 4:01pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
einsteino: But u know patient must first be attended to by somebody. The make believe that patient comes to see the doctor is a fallacy. He has come to assess care. In the province of Ontario Canada,they now operate thru Family Health Team.This comprises of physician ,Nurses, pharmacists, physiotherapists consulting on same desk. This has been researched to be more efficient and safe health cost. The ripple effect is that the patients get assessed by the health professionals that have the appropriate expertise to see him at first contact. This is never boss servant relationship. The last time I check Canada health indexes are one of the best in the world . |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by karpentar: 4:05pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
seanet02: Same way GEJ honoured the Channels TV presidential debate. Hypocrites Why bring GEJ to this matter? You must be suffering from APC inflicted madness... |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by phantom(m): 4:36pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Slimchy09:please move over... coakroach! I repeat when chukwu finishes fooling himself,he knows where to find us to deal. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by phantom(m): 4:40pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
bumfem:my brother he has said the truth.its a pity pharmacists have reduced themselves to dispensing drugs. tomorrow when the nurses and lab scientists start poking fingers in your eyes,you will start complaining like doctors are doing now.mark my words! sickle cell is endemic in our region.what have our pharmacists come up with as per research to improve the lives of sicklers.absolutely nothing! no research whatsoever. |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by Dmh(f): 4:59pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Dmh: total backout in akure Which area are u coz A̶̲̥̅♏ so sure dat light is much more better now in akure.so ur sumission abt dat is untrue doc youngdoctor: As a doctor..i can tel yu ds FG is schizophrenic...we ve made a mistake electing ds bastards.total blackout in akure; Which area are u? coz A̶̲̥̅♏ so sure dat light is much more better now in akure.so ur submission abt dat is untrue doc |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by NaMe4: 5:29pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
einsteino: Bro, this is one reason i have avoided making any attempt in explaining or educating anyone in these numerous threads. A lot of bitter folks with with deep-seated issues who would not want to even listen to any form of reason. Truth is the government has been grossly incompetent in handling issues within the health sector, exploring our 'cultural greed' as Nigerians (unfortunately trying to be smart by signing separate and antagonising agreements between two disagreeing parties ). All this CMD/CMAC/Director etc rubbish, even if distributed to all fields in the hospital, how many people would ever hold any of such posts throughout their whole carrier? What's so special about any of the posts that's making some peeps want to burst some arteries? Is there a great disparity between the salary of the post holder with that of his professional colleagues? Why, if any exists? What positive impact and development are the members of JOHESU willing to bring to the health sector when accorded the titles and positions they agitate for? And why can't the impact be felt now or should they be referred to as CONSULTANTS and CMDs before we begin to see what stuff they are made of? I think the best solution to this would be privatisation of HealthCare. 1 Like |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by youngdoctor(m): 6:04pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Dmh: total blackout in akure; Which area are u? coz A̶̲̥̅♏ so sure dat light is much more better now in akure.so ur submission abt dat is untrue docbetter??i stay in oritaobele street.we only have light from 11p.m -4a.m daily..so from 4:05-10:59..its by God's grace.. Where in akure do you stay MR?? |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by prettyprettywow: 6:40pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
when we achieve privatization, then drs will have to pay for their residency training like they do abroad and not expect to be paid to be students, Then we will see how they will demand for #100,000 hazard allowance from their employer |
Re: FG Challenges NMA To Public Debate. by adeoladrg(m): 6:50pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
phantom: my brother he has said the truth.its a pity pharmacists have reduced themselves to dispensing drugs. tomorrow when the nurses and lab scientists start poking fingers in your eyes,you will start complaining like doctors are doing now.mark my words! Most times you talk about things you completely know nothing about. Thank God you spoke about sickle cell. The National Institute of Pharmaceutical Research and Development under Prof Gamaliel discovered a drug used to treat sickle cell. I cant remember the name buh Google is still your friend. But there's an issue with FMOH with marketing and distribution of the drug. So just STFU!!!! |
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