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Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
It has often been said that Mary conceived without a Man and gave birth to Jesus, but I am beginning to doubt certain parts of this story for the following reasons : 1. Jesus was to come from the seed of David which means from the lineage of his fleshly descendants , if God was his father, how could this have been fulfilled. 2. Paul makes not one mention of this supposed miraculous and major event even though it has been established that many of his letters precede most of the gospels, why ? 3. None of the apostles mentioned this in their letters or sermons , why ? 4. The books of Luke and Matthew contain conflicting accounts of this event, why ? 5. Is it not an abomination to suggest that God made Mary pregnant ? I am really beginning to have a problem with this. 6. I have read a lot of articles from Jewish sites and they see this as an abomination and almost laughable, should they not be the ones to know more about this ? 7. No other gospel mentions this story even Mark which is the oldest gospel, why ? Help me please people ! Thanks and please let us keep this civil. 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
You keep pushing this, Frosbel, you're going to lose your faith. 2 Likes |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: You keep pushing this, Frosbel, you're going to lose your faith. Not at all, I am returning to the true faith. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:05pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:Which is? We all are born agnostic -atheist 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:07pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: The faith of Abraham who is the father of all nations. 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Rilwayne001: 8:08pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
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Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:09pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:Your ancestors were millennia before "Abraham ' There were countless cultures before Abraham. 4 Likes |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:10pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: Faith of Abraham which was established through Christ Jesus as the blessing for all mankind. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:15pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?. Wasn't it written in Torah(old testament) that a virgin will conceive without knowing a man? 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:17pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:By who? Why Abraham? Why Jesus? The people that didn't know Abraham and Jesus weren't blessed? |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:23pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
FrancisTony: Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?. One comment in Isaiah 7:14 which actually was fulfilled also in the Old Testament and according to scholars the word Virgin was actually dubiously translated and should mean young woman. If I am wrong please help me understand better. Thanks. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:24pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
FrancisTony: Lool. Funny OP. You still wanna remain in the faith of Abraham right?.The Torah is not the Old Testament It is at best the Pentateuch(Books of Moses) The first 5 books of the Bible |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:30pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: But, Mary possessed the two quality. She was a virgin and also a young woman. Either way! True or false? |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by twosquare(m): 8:42pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
^^^ ... Better leave Frosbel alone, i know what is at work....operation of seducing spirits....take heed. 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:44pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
twosquare: ^^^ ... Better leave Frosbel alone, i know what is at work....operation of seducing spirits....take heed. Forget about me , how would you explain it if a baby believe or unbeliever were to ask the same question ? |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 8:54pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: It has often been said that Mary conceived without a Man and gave birth to Jesus, but I am beginning to doubt certain parts of this story for the following reasons :you're doubting God's word? To hell with you! John 7:42 1. Jesus was to come from the seed of David which means from the lineage of his fleshly descendants , if God was his father, how could this have been fulfilled.The Buy-bull says it is true! It must be true! /s Sarcasm aside, This Jewish article corroborates your belief. 2. Paul makes not one mention of this supposed miraculous and major event even though it has been established that many of his letters precede most of the gospels, why ? 3. None of the apostles mentioned this in their letters or sermons , why ?The apostles didn't mention EVERYTHING, and the Bible is incomplete. Who knows, the Catholic Church might have removed them if it contradicts their dogma. Also: John 21:25 4. The books of Luke and Matthew contain conflicting accounts of this event, why ?Like all religious books supposedly "inspired by god" the Buy-bull contradicts itself in many places 5. Is it not an abomination to suggest that God made Mary pregnant ? I am really beginning to have a problem with this.Catholic dogma: it was the Holy spirit. What I think happened : Mary cheated on Joseph, got knocked up, and claimed an "angel" visited. 6. I have read a lot of articles from Jewish sites and they see this as an abomination and almost laughable, should they not be the ones to know more about this ?I tire too. The thing be say the Jews don't even believe in what most African Christians do. Hell, half of them are atheist! 7. No other gospel mentions this story even Mark which is the oldest gospel, why ?Same thing the Jewish article said. Help me please people !Still atheist, wanted to try the other side of the spectrum. 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by twosquare(m): 8:56pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:forget about you in the sense that you shouldn't be taken serious.........and about those nonsense scholars who haven't journeyed in the Spirit;i say forget about them...... God is too powerful,my ways are not your ways....nor my thoughts,your thoughts......the Scriptures says so and it is so, it takes faith to move with Him;not reason. That apart,have u ever pondered: I am the root and offspring of David. This is cute; i gave birth to David,so that he can give birth to Me. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 9:03pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
twosquare: forget about you in the sense that you shouldn't be taken serious.........and about those nonsense scholars who haven't journeyed in the Spirit;i say forget about them...... God is too powerful,my ways are not your ways....nor my thoughts,your thoughts......the Scriptures says so and it is so, it takes faith to move with Him;not reason.Rants and rambling. You didn't answer his question. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Frosbel, you are better off as a Deist. 2 Likes |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 9:38pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
JerryBerry: Frosbel, you are better off as a Deist.He's still vacillating between Deism, agnosticism, and liberal Christianity. He'll settle soon. 2 Likes |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 9:49pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: None of the above, I am a follower of the WAY, i.e I follow the same gospel that Yeshua and Paul preached, not the mythological religion called Christianity. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:06pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:Yeshua (Joshua) was a Jew. Paul was a Christian. You owe a lot of (backward) Christian dogma to him. 1 Like |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:08pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: Paul never called himself a Christian and strangely never once used this to refer to any of the early church believers. Yes , Yeshua was a Jew. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by twosquare(m): 10:13pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel:i know you yearn to enter the ancient paths but you got to be careful, or you fall into much error...spirits will take advantage of you....relax, it is not by research...it is by the Seven Spirits of God.......you won't pass.....pray to Him. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:15pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: Who are bible Christians? Let the Bible speak. (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16) |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:18pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: Christian means "follower of Christ" And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." --Acts 11:261 Corinthians 11:1 Since you agree that Yeshua was a Jew, and Paul, a Christian, you realize you contradicted yourself here. Frosbel: |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:18pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Only one genuine response from an atheist Brethren, please help me with this dilemma. Thanks. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: Let's leave this for another day and to avoid derailment. I am still waiting for answers related to the topic. Thanks. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:21pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: I answered you already. |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:22pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Apatheist: Indeed , I meant answers from others ! |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by nep2ra(m): 10:29pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Frosbel, If you want answers to some questions bothering you about the fraud called Christianity, check out : www.jesusneverexisted.com 2 Likes |
Re: Fatherhood Of Jesus ! by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
Some more scripture to ponder ; "concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh" - Romans 1 :3 "But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law" - Galatians 4:4 |
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