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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Lightening: 12:24pm On Aug 17, 2014
phantom:

not just any doctor o!! he sacked the very people on which our health system is based. looks like you guys dont understand who resident doctors are.

he sacked highly skilled doctors!! that is you CANT REPLACE THEM WITH OTHER DOCTORS. THAT IS THE ISSUE.

Highly skilled ko. Nigerians still flock to india for the most elemental treatment. Your next defence will now be that government is underfunding the health sector, yet the same is producing "highly skilled" doctors according to you.

The gamble has backfired. Maybe if the resident doctors start sponsoring themselves, they might start enjoying better welfare than what the tax payers are offering.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Nobody: 12:28pm On Aug 17, 2014
Lightening:

Highly skilled ko. Nigerians still flock to india for the most elemental treatment. Your next defence will now be that government is underfunding the health sector, yet the same is producing "highly skilled" doctors according to you.

Yes funding is an issue. We do not have enough diagnostic and theraputic equipment in our teaching hospitals.

We do not have enough EKG,Dialysis machines,CAT scans,Monitors....even beds and hospital buildings.

That is part of the reason why NARD is on strike.

The gamble has backfired. Maybe if the resident doctors start sponsoring themselves, they might start enjoying better welfare than what the tax payers are offering.

If the health sector funding does not increase....expect increases in fees at government hospitals.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Chaleeee: 12:30pm On Aug 17, 2014
bibiking7:

[b][size=15pt]BRO (I dont know if you are a guy or girl), but thank you very much. I stopped reading comments at your comment, because this has summed it all up. Its blackmail, for people to expect them to work for less because, if they dont people will die. angry angry Phuck these people, peeps used to protest in france over hikes in the price of bread.
You wont believe how many government sponsored ex-militants are running programs abroad, they are on full scholarship. So Doctors are termed selfish because they want better welfare packages, ridiculous. Most of the Phuck heads here dont even know what it takes to become a doctor. Some of those doctors just got infected with ebola just for doing their jobs. And Some PHUCKING retarded guinea pigs are here talking about sacking 16000 doctors, its impossible, we dont even have enough of them to start with. We should even be ashamed of ourselves for making them go on strike.

If anybody likes, you can quote me, i dont think that i am coming back to this thread, most of the comments are irritating. undecided undecided

P.S.
I am not a doctor. undecided.[/size] [/b]

Don't policemen and soldier get killed by arm robbers and boko haram respectively for protecting your lives? Its called WORK HAZARD.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Nobody: 12:33pm On Aug 17, 2014
phantom:

people like you are lucky the internet does not need a visa. sorry if you are offended.
son, I would have been controllin the internet, and u will require a properly certified certificate to access it. And NO, I am not offended
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by sogodihno: 12:33pm On Aug 17, 2014
NMA! NMA!! NMA!!!
How many times did i call u?
U are blaming FG wat else do u want them to do? They beg u to come to work u didnt, the hospital is empty and now in order to fill dz empty hospital dey wan to take new people and u A still ranting. Do u want d hospital to remain empty forever?
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by eoadeniji(m): 12:34pm On Aug 17, 2014
angry buh why all dis beef for doctors?

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Chaleeee: 12:35pm On Aug 17, 2014
bushdoc9919:
We leave because our hospitals do not have sufficient facilities for training and for patient care. And because we do not have sufficent funds for clinical research.

And because it gets painful to watch as sick patients die because ''we do not have x''.

Ask yourself....are our teaching hosptials up to standard?

Do you want my resident colleagues to call off the strike...so that we can continue managing poor facilties?

INFACT.....that is one of the two MAIN reasons why the resident doctors union NARD....is on strike.


But these facilities was good enough to train them?
My friend Victor has been at home since Dec. Graduate and inducted from OAU last year and he's not gotten a place to do his house job......all because some resident doctors won't work and won't let others work.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by onyxo76(m): 12:37pm On Aug 17, 2014
EHoudini: I learnt from experience that most doctors are inherently insecure. Strip them of title; they got nothing left: blank, pathetic n lost! Have those ever travel out of the see what's obtainable else? They should the statusque is simply not sustainable. Thumbs up gej. God bless nigeria
maybe in the past , most of the present day doctors are into other things as well... dr sid, that bariyu and dog comedian, dr jamoo and several others are not even using their medical degrees to feed anymore , they found other passions which is paying off.
More than 50% of the guys i finished up with are no longer into medicine but into other things- business, info tech, pastoral work, even into lecturing... all man don wise up now. If these chaps remain sacked they will always find their levels -some have already passed some exams abroad and are just waiting to become consultants and travel out. others will merge and start a specialist clinic, some already have masters degree and will move to lecturing and several other possibilities.
The poor common man will just continue to suffer!! the doctor will always have a way of saving their own families in cases of sickness even if the case is too complex for him to manage, other doctors will rally round and come to his aid.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Nobody: 12:44pm On Aug 17, 2014
[quote author=Chaleeee]

But these facilities was good enough to train them?

For basic medical training...yes.But for the advanced stuff...that is where the problem is.


And it all boils down to funding.

Indeed if we had the facilities....we would be able to train better residents....and better doctors.


My friend Victor has been at home since Dec. Graduate and inducted from OAU last year and he's not gotten a place to do his house job......all because some resident doctors won't work and won't let others work.

Again,that has to do with the fact that we do not have enough teaching hospitals( yes...that is true!).Not the residents(who would be happy to have lots of housemen around...more people to boss wink).

At which point I quote a maxim of one of my former bosses.....Every state in Nigeria is supposed to have five teaching hospitals.

Sorry about your friend Victor....I too had to wait six months before I got my first house job. Spaces are limited (and every hospital has a allocated limit of doctors it should take for house job....which if it exceeds ...gets it queried by the Ministry of Health....this happened in the hospital where I did my housejob....Ministry thought they took too many.).

P.S- Victor should spread his wings .....even the North may be a good option.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by jumpmasta(m): 12:48pm On Aug 17, 2014
Q
rhymz: Can people stop twisting the facts and reality on ground.... residents are not even licensed doctors so what is this talk about the hospitals coming to a halt because medical graduate trainees have been sacked. Are you guys for real. With or without Resident docs, the teaching hospitals can run fine, all the management need to do is make little changes and tweaks here and there. The absence of residents can not stop a hospital from running, for God's sake these guys are a little above the medical students.


Do you all know the other levels above residents who are already licensed and can perform without supervision?
There are specialists, fellows and consultants, all doctors..... So how does the suspension of the residency program equate to sacking 16000 doctors.... Na only residents dey work for FG hospitals ni?
Abeg let's be realistic, these guys had it coming when they left the profession and started a power tussle and politics first with colleagues and in extension with the FG their employers. They allowed the consultants to use them as pawns forgetting that they are just graduate trainees who can be used to out fears in the mind of their bosses.
your ignorance is out of this world...I pity you

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Guidette(f): 12:49pm On Aug 17, 2014
I am a med student about to finish and by God who made me, I cannot see myself working in Nigeria. The health system is in shambles that is ill equipped and hardly regulated.
Doctors are not the cause of our problems. The govt that has neglected our healthcare of Nigerian citizens for decades has made the system so rotten beyond repair. If I was a doctor in Nigeria, I will demand over a million naira as salary because it is haaaarrrrrddddd to do your job without the proper equipment under unsanitary conditions. They are not greedy, but are demanding compensation for all the chaos around them.
The system begets who they are. Nobody wants to upgrade the health system because the corruption has eaten way too deep. Any challenge to the status quois met with resistance in the form of sack of the residents. Normal nations are supposed to spend I think about 25% of budget on healthcare as advices by WHO. I am very sure we don't even spend up to 10% and even then, not all of it gets to where it is needed.
Anyways sha, as usual the govt will see the error of their ways and reverse this nonsense. And I will be here sipping my tea. cool

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Hoodrat(m): 12:51pm On Aug 17, 2014
Unending confusions since 1960. Confused citizens and confused leaders.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ObiOkpor(m): 12:55pm On Aug 17, 2014
kingthreat:
You are very retarded for insulting medics. Maybe when ur life is in their hands, you will value them
go sit down joor!
My life is never in any body's hand..It's in the Hand of my JEHOVA!..get that huh?!

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ObiOkpor(m): 12:56pm On Aug 17, 2014
korm2me:
hmmmmmm. I wonder if the word IMPECILE is in the English dictionary. lol
tongue
korm2me:
hmmmmmm. I wonder if the word IMPECILE is in the English dictionary. lol
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Uteghe(m): 12:57pm On Aug 17, 2014
Nigerian doctors have outlived their usefulness. Medicine is a calling like policing and soldiering. There should be no room for strike. Anyone not comfortable with that should go join some other profession. Doctors-most of whom are rude,pompous and antagonistic to their hapless patients-should know that the blood of the dead during their stupid strikes will be upon their head. Their sack stays. angry angry

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ObiOkpor(m): 12:59pm On Aug 17, 2014
mikolo80: already have. All this mouth na because you get work .make them crash nigeria finish,when you have to go to farm with god and cutlass lets see he you'll still be defending thieves unless of course you're benefitting from the thieves.me de find work cos i refused to benefit from free money.trust me its not fun and i doubt i'd rock the boat again if there is a do over
not defending anybody dude...and Nigeria will never crash...
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Giifted: 1:09pm On Aug 17, 2014
Uteghe: Nigerian doctors have outlived their usefulness. Medicine is a calling like policing and soldiering. There should be no room for strike. Anyone not comfortable with that should go join some other profession. Doctors-most of whom are rude,pompous and antagonistic to their hapless patients-should know that the blood of the dead during their stupid strikes will be upon their head. Their sack stays. angry angry

I tell you!!!!
The annoying thing is that doctors see themselves as mini-gods that shd be worshipped. Is that d kind of training that should be accepted and glorified?
With dis recent stand of d FG, they have to thread carefully else, everything will backfire on them.
As far as I am concerned, those who are ready to work should work, and those not ready to work can go to hell for all I care. Enough of all this nonsense! The strike is long overdue and now, has. Become meaningless.
Let those who have ears, hear....
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Lightening: 1:11pm On Aug 17, 2014
thepathologist:

u will swallow ur vomit. accident or serious illness is awaiting u or ur family members. then u would beg educated fools to rescue you.

For using such words, you must be a very heartless doctor. That same heartlessness that led you people to embark on an unpopular strike that is taking tolls on lives of nigerians over selfish demands.

Medicine is a vocation, not business. If you want the kind of wealth comparable to political office holders, then drop the vocation and go contest for political office.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by atlwireles: 1:27pm On Aug 17, 2014
Lightening:

Highly skilled ko. Nigerians still flock to india for the most elemental treatment. Your next defence will now be that government is underfunding the health sector, yet the same is producing "highly skilled" doctors according to you.

The gamble has backfired. Maybe if the resident doctors start sponsoring themselves, they might start enjoying better welfare than what the tax payers are offering.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by vicoloni(m): 1:43pm On Aug 17, 2014
ObiOkpor: Aish!
Wish am a doctor,i would have applied to be taken....

Useless bunch of doctors on strike,when the nation needed them most.....They should all GO TO HELL!

People like you can never be a doctor. Your fish brain won't allow you to make the required jamb score.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by akmoh(m): 2:12pm On Aug 17, 2014
abbakacici: Nigeria has 20 teaching hospitals, 18 Specialty Hospitals and 22 Federal Medical Centres. so based on your logic you believed that Nigeria cant have 16000 resident doctors. let used basic 1) residency is usually 5-8 years . hospital have like 20-30 units

let used 7 years and 25 units only for teaching hospitals (assuming each hospital take only 3 resident per unit that 75 resident per hospital per year thus each hospital will minimum of 525 resident at any given time. that almost 10500. second Federal Medical Centres let assumed take only 1 resident for year that total of 25 per and 175 and 3850 for the Federal Medical Centres. Specialty Hospitals will have somewhere around 5 unit and take only 2 resident per unit per year that a total of 70 resident per hospital if you added all that almost 15000 plus.

you make easy for you here is another example based 3 new resident per unit means Lagos University Teaching Hospital will have 21 Dentist resident, that about 7 resident per shit with 2-3 consultant, and if you have even being to any teaching hospital you will see similar thing
After all has been said the reality on ground still if the govt is responsible for training 95% of resident doctors you should know that its a dumb practice. Private hands should come in and fill in the remaining space. We have very few doctors in Nigeria, and the few doctors available prefer working for the govt because that's where they can get easy and sustained source of income. Govt really has to reform health care in this country and the best way to start is to reduce the workforce in her direct employ. A situation where a teaching hospital gets annual allocation from the govt that they cannot generate internally in 3 years is totally unacceptable. Do you know that majority of the docs with 1 year post nysc experience lack a lot of skills and the residency program provides an opportunity for them to enhance their skill set and productivity? So know from today that the relationship between the resident docs and their employer is supposed to be a win win relationship and the govt/employer holds all the aces. Without residency training where you and I present ourselves as guinea pigs for the training of docs the docs can never improve their skills.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by erico2k2(m): 2:24pm On Aug 17, 2014
ideepaul:
that you have the freedom of speech does not mean your brain has the capacity to process speech...think well and give prove when you talk
Brov Im from the core Niger Delta, you are from Akwa Ibom, so how are you meant to comprehend all what I have just said?U have no clue non at all regards them matters
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by Samgreguc(m): 2:25pm On Aug 17, 2014
phantom:

not just any doctor o!! he sacked the very people on which our health system is based. looks like you guys dont understand who resident doctors are.

he sacked highly skilled doctors!! that is you CANT REPLACE THEM WITH OTHER DOCTORS. THAT IS THE ISSUE.
and the specialist are low skilled? . . . ,
.
Dnt talk like the resident doc are more skild than the consultants.
.
BTW, the program was jst suspended to save money and possibly spring up fears.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by erico2k2(m): 2:25pm On Aug 17, 2014
akmoh:
After all has been said the reality on ground still if the govt is responsible for training 95% of resident doctors you should know that its a dumb practice. Private hands should come in and fill in the remaining space. We have very few doctors in Nigeria, and the few doctors available prefer working for the govt because that's where they can get easy and sustained source of income. Govt really has to reform health care in this country and the best way to start is to reduce the workforce in her direct employ. A situation where a teaching hospital gets annual allocation from the govt that they cannot generate internally in 3 years is totally unacceptable. Do you know that majority of the docs with 1 year post nysc experience lack a lot of skills and the residency program provides an opportunity for them to enhance their skill set and productivity? So know from today that the relationship between the resident docs and their employer is supposed to be a win win relationship and the govt/employer holds all the aces. Without residency training where you and I present ourselves as guinea pigs for the training of docs the docs can never improve their skills.

Try and do research into how the UK fund the NHS and the relation they have to GPs and Dentist.You will come out with the conclusion and the FEg is pointing to the right way but a lil crap approach
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ObiOkpor(m): 2:34pm On Aug 17, 2014
vicoloni:

People like you can never be a doctor. Your fish brain won't allow you to make the required jamb score.
Tell that to your USELESS family if at all you have one...
Did i tell you i wanna be a doctor?
Silly IDIOT!
Am proud of my profession and when you come,i will LECTURE you..
Once more,you're hopeless....
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by erico2k2(m): 2:35pm On Aug 17, 2014
Guidette: I am a med student about to finish and by God who made me, I cannot see myself working in Nigeria. The health system is in shambles that is ill equipped and hardly regulated.
Doctors are not the cause of our problems. The govt that has neglected our healthcare of Nigerian citizens for decades has made the system so rotten beyond repair. If I was a doctor in Nigeria, I will demand over a million naira as salary because it is haaaarrrrrddddd to do your job without the proper equipment under unsanitary conditions. They are not greedy, but are demanding compensation for all the chaos around them.
The system begets who they are. Nobody wants to upgrade the health system because the corruption has eaten way too deep. Any challenge to the status quois met with resistance in the form of sack of the residents. Normal nations are supposed to spend I think about 25% of budget on healthcare as advices by WHO. I am very sure we don't even spend up to 10% and even then, not all of it gets to where it is needed.
Anyways sha, as usual the govt will see the error of their ways and reverse this nonsense. And I will be here sipping my tea. cool
Good you are about to finish you Learning process, plz change that ideology, if you do a simple research into the western world how they go about their Health Sectors, you will quickly realize the best and specialist Hospitals are all Private,ie Own by private individuals or companies and not the Govt, the Govt Hospitals provide basic Health Care.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by erico2k2(m): 2:36pm On Aug 17, 2014
ObiOkpor: Tell that to your USELESS family if at all you have one...
Did i tell you i wanna be a doctor?
Silly IDIOT!
Am proud of my profession and when you come,i will LECTURE you..
Once more,you're hopeless....
Leave these people who are so slow that they cant put an argument forward without insulting people and they claim they are civilized sad sad sad

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by phantom(m): 2:36pm On Aug 17, 2014
Samgreguc:
and the specialist are low skilled? . . . ,
.
Dnt talk like the resident doc are more skild than the consultants.
.
BTW, the program was jst suspended to save money and possibly spring up fears.

sammie,how many consultants are in nigeria?

sammie,i hope you know senior reghistrars are already specialists? infact in some institutions in some countries,you can be employed as a specialist with your part 1 cert...i hope you know?

sammie,you of all people should know that MOs are no match for resident doctors anyday. infact,it is even easier for the govt to sack consultants than residents IF saving money is their wahala.


i am an SR and i know the amount of responsibility i carry in the hospital. i supervise junior regs and i have to be around when the consultant comes for rounds. infact in my department,some consultants will not teach or review cases if the SR in their unit is not around.

when SRs are fully on ground,consultants have far less issues. fact!!!

sammie,if you get to a teaching hospital by 3 or 4am, you will meet residents on ground. true or false??

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ObiOkpor(m): 2:43pm On Aug 17, 2014
erico2k2:
Leave these people who are so slow that they cant put an argument forward without insulting people and they claim they are civilized sad sad sad
Thank you...
Happy Sunday.
Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ozodigboo(m): 2:58pm On Aug 17, 2014
Some pple don't understand d issues.
Sacking resident docs, is like sacking every doctor.
All doctors are bound by the Hippocratic oath_ nobody will dare apply for any new job opening.
Fashola was used . . . he employed locum docs..... what happened later ?
He recalled d sacked docs, but the new locum docs, refused to be disengaged. . . . meaning more docs on state employment.
If Fashola dared sack d locum guys, when next there will be strike & u call for locum, nobody will listen to u. . . they will say u wanna use and dump.
GEJ has started what he can't finish.
Consultants and medical officers will NOT start work, and they can't be sacked by fiat becos they are PERMANENT CIVIL SERVICE STAFF.



And. . . . what are we even saying ?
Assuming some young, inexperienced docs go n apply, no matter how few. . . do u want to entrust ur LIFE onto them ?
And assuming d experienced docs, resident docs etc are frustrated to return to work against their will..........will u entrust ur LIFE on a group of embittered docs who are so angry with d nigerian populace who didn't back them ?

plz go back and read my opening sentence again.

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by phantom(m): 3:29pm On Aug 17, 2014
ozodigboo: Some pple don't understand d issues.
Sacking resident docs, is like sacking every doctor.
All doctors are bound by the Hippocratic oath_ nobody will dare apply for any new job opening.
Fashola was used . . . he employed locum docs..... what happened later ?
He recalled d sacked docs, but the new locum docs, refused to be disengaged. . . . meaning more docs on state employment.
If Fashola dared sack d locum guys, when next there will be strike & u call for locum, nobody will listen to u. . . they will say u wanna use and dump.
GEJ has started what he can't finish.
Consultants and medical officers will NOT start work, and they can't be sacked by fiat becos they are PERMANENT CIVIL SERVICE STAFF.



And. . . . what are we even saying ?
Assuming some young, inexperienced docs go n apply, no matter how few. . . do u want to entrust ur LIFE onto them ?
And assuming d experienced docs, resident docs etc are frustrated to return to work against their will..........will u entrust ur LIFE on a group of embittered docs who are so angry with d nigerian populace who didn't back them ?

plz go back and read my opening sentence again.

nigerians dont even know who reisdent doctors are..

your pregnant wife goes into a very difficult labour and needs a C/S by 3am,you drive to the TH or FMC,you meet a resident doctor

you go to OBGYN....those doctors that run your antenatals and clinics are resident doctors
you go to paediatrics....those doctors you see at the clinics,wards are resident doctors
your baby is in special care baby unit,that person that gives your baby drugs by 2am while you are still sleeping is a resident
you need surgery,that doctor that assists the main surgeon is a resident
you go to radiology department,that doctor you see scanning, reading your xrays/CTs or perfoming an HSG,MCUG is a resident
you go to ophthalmology department,the doctors who check your eyes are residents.


if the hospitals are vehicles,residents are the engine!

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Re: Government Vows Not To Recall Sacked Doctors by ozodigboo(m): 3:30pm On Aug 17, 2014
Nigeria health system is finished.
Because even if the doctor goes back to work, after witnessing all these bashings. . . . .
They will now operate and carry out their work, in a cold calculating way without feelings and emotions - possibly with a tinge of bitterness.
This is not going to look good.

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