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Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 12:17pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: My friend, In the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke we have what we call the Synoptic Gospels, and they deal primarily with His humanity side of everything. In other words, Matthew depicts Him as King Who would one day rule on David's throne as a human King. He came up through the genealogy of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and down that royal family of David. In Mark He's depicted as the Servant, and everything that He does shows His willingness to be a Servant, and again from His human side. Then Luke depicts Him as the Son of Man Then John comes along and depicts Him as the Son of God in His Deity. You will find that a lot of the things that are covered in the Synoptic Gospels are not mentioned in John. Now, none of the synoptic gospel books mentioned a word of his flesh as sinful. Do you know why? Because it wasn't. 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 1:04pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Before Adam fell, did he have a corruptible flesh that could decay? The body of Jesus could not decay, even when put in the grave. Is that the same kind of flesh you and I have? mbaemeka: So Jesus was not a sinner but he HAD the SAME FLESH that sinners had. Among many definitions that the flesh can have, it is also known as the seat of sin in man or the unregenerate state of man. Could you possibly say these elements can be associated with Jesus? 2 Likes |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 2:01pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: You keep running helter skelter with moot points that are neither here nor there in terms of their relevance to the discourse. John's book was written many years after the synoptic gospels because of the questions that were generated as a result of people's poor understanding of the first 3. John didn't describe any Jesus who functioned as GOD. John only explained to people why that Man that they saw, knew, and heard about was indeed GOD. As per the "none of them mentioned a sinful/mortal flesh" or what not again this is as a result of your poorly done research on Jesus' life for they didn't need to tell people who saw a man that he was a man. Besides, the greek word for flesh as used in John 1 is 'Carx' and it refers to "Carnal/Mortal/Adamic flesh" and nothing else. John said Jesus needed the Holy Spirit to do any miracles. You tell me, will God need anyone to do a miracle for him? Is he not self-sufficient? |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by trustman: 2:03pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: You are not only stubborn, you are also arrogant and cunning. You are being mischievous and you end up placing that same label on others. If you claimed I made a statement then show it unless you are trying to pin on me what I did not say either to divert attention away from the real issues or put a label on me. I showed you yours didn't I? Even a simple illustration now appears difficult for you or what? If a man has Ebola that man's body is said to be - SICK or DISEASED. A body without it will be said to be - HEALTHY. The two have the same type of body - flesh - but are not quite FUNCTIONING the same. See these: "We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin." - Romans 6:6 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions." - Romans 6:12 "For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin." - Romans 7:14 "Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" - Romans 7: 24 What do these tell you about the 'flesh' of man? It is a body of sin (Romans 6:6) that needed to be dealt with by the work of Jesus. Now, if you claim that that same Jesus had a body of sin then how does that qualify to deal with other people's sin? Mbaemeka, a baby who has never committed any act of sin is as much a sinner before God as the adult who has committed a million sins. Why is that so? If you don't know ask. If you do, it should make things clearer for you. Jesus' body first had to be PERFECT in other for it to be a PERFECT SACRIFICE. It had to be sin-free for it to qualify to be an offering acceptable to God. Anything less would not have been suitable. 3 Likes |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 2:14pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I cannot understand why the very words of the bible seem to fly over you. Adam's flesh (BECAME) corruptible because of the fall and as such every man that was born into the world by a woman would have the same flesh. The mortality of Adam's flesh began after he fell before which it wasn't. Jesus took on himself the flesh of Abraham and by implication looked like a Jew (like Isaac) and like every other man. That flesh is called corruptible because it can be corrupted (decay, die, be beaten, etc.) This is why Jesus was able to die. When he was buried in the grave that flesh changed immediately to the incorruption/immortal meaning he resurrected to a new body. He didn't resurrect to the same body he had. It is downright inane to think that something called Immortal can die. So if Jesus had immortal flesh while on earth he would NEVER have died. There are ONLY two types of flesh: The Incorruptible and the Corruptible. There is no middle ground. The unregenerate man means the SINFUL man because he has an EVIL SPIRIT living inside his mortal flesh. While the born again man is a righteous man because he has a righteous spirit living inside his mortal flesh. While Jesus was on earth his SPIRIT was undefiled. It was inherently righteous because he got the components of his SPIRIT and BLOOD from his Father- God almighty. But his flesh was very mortal because of his earthly mother- Mary. That's why I have continued to say that Jesus wasn't a sinner (he didn't have a sinful nature) but he lived in the same body that sinners have. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 2:29pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
trustman: So many empty words with nothing said. I have not said here or anywhere else that a child born today isn't as much a sinner as a grown man. The reason the child is a sinner is not because of his FLESH but because of his SPIRIT. Do you get it now? A sinner is a SINFUL SPIRIT that is housed in a mortal body/flesh while a righteous man is a RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT living in a mortal flesh/body. So when Paul was a sinner he let his SINFUL SPIRIT work sins in his mortal body but when he became a righteous man he let his RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT subdue his mortal flesh. Being able to subdue the mortal flesh from day one to year 33, possess a righteous SPIRIT and have DIVINE, spotless and sinless blood made JESUS the PERFECT SACRIFICE. If Jesus flesh was any different or "born perfect" then he was already due to die at birth (which is a contradiction because perfect flesh cannot die) and Paul said that is a lie. Jesus had to be subjected to the same temptations that other men have and pass it and he did even till death. This consummated his perfection as a man then he was now eligible to go to the cross for mankind. That's why when the time was near for his death he told his disciples that Satan had nothing IN HIM. How was satan supposed to put it in him? The same way he put it in Adam. In Jesus' case the temptations were harder for if he as much as insulted the people who asked for his death he would have tainted his SPIRIT. Hope you get it now. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by esere826: 2:33pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Boss13: interesting talk So based on your definition of fraud I feel damn pleased to answer your initial question/statement which was "Is inspired motors a fraud? Woooow" NO, Inspired Auto is no fraud cos he is no preacher... case closed |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 2:58pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka:Trustman was right when he said you hardly read through what others write. You rush to reply all for the sake of your ego that feels challenged. I won't go into a tiff with you over when what was written or why it was written; after all, you can't back whatever assertions you wrote there by scripture. mbaemeka: Where exactly did I make this your statement in my post? If you must challenge the post, at least stay within the confines of what was said. This was what I said- Then John comes along and depicts Him as the Son of God in His Deity.. You rejected what I said only to reecho it by saying- John only explained to people why that Man that they saw, knew, and heard about was indeed GOD. Guy, it isn't a competition o. Take it easy. mbaemeka: The books are filled with how righteous/good this man(Jesus) is but saw no need to tell us if he also carries the same 'disease'(sin nature) you and I inherited from Adam. ok mbaemeka: I believe you lied here, if you didn't prove me wrong by telling me or pasting where you got your definition from. The greek word for flesh is 'sarx' as used in John 1:14 'sarx' means the totality of all that is essential to manhood i.e spirit, soul and body. If we replace the word flesh with spirit soul and body, lets see how the statement reads- 14 And the Word was made spirit soul and body, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Where exactly will the adamic sinful nature come through? mbaemeka: I thought you said Jesus is God earlier, are you confused? Is He still God the Son? and please give me the verse you are referring to here. 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by vooks: 3:32pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
You call Jesus body blemished and sinful flesh but his blood sinless. I called you out. Jesus body was and remained as pure as his blood throughout the passion. You are obviously driving a wedge BETWEEN components of his humanity what kind of illogic is this? What if he was bruises were a part of the sacrifice for indeed they were? I don't deny healing, I just need you to share with me the last planet/animal/man you created since you FUNCTION like God since you are God class and that is after giving me ONE example of a miracle you have done exceeding that of Jesus. As a bonus, care to tell me the last time in entire Christendom spanning 2010 years anybody revived a 4 day old rotting corpse? mbaemeka: |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 3:37pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: No, you are the one sleeping. Notice how you refuse to answer any question even though everyone answer all of yours. If the first Adam had a flesh that isn't corrupt at some point, why will the second Adam come with a sinful flesh? mbaemeka: Bible passage to back this submission. mbaemeka: That is exactly why He rose on the third day without seeing corruption. mbaemeka: You talk nonsense! what you call evil spirit is the sin nature without God. A regenerated man is one whose dead spirit is made alive by God through faith. Your so called evil spirit is present even in every born again today. Jesus never had such. phew! mbaemeka: What makes you a sinner is the body you live in. If Jesus live in the same body as you, he automatically becomes a sinner. Mary had nothing to add to Jesus.She was only a vessel Jesus used to come to life. God had taken the form of man even before He came as Jesus through Mary in the old testament. The only way Jesus could have carried anything from Adam would have been if a man and a woman had to come together to give birth to Him. God circumvented nature by bringing Jesus in to the world His own way. 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 3:44pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Bro, a child has a dead spirit. Nothing like sinful spirit. Who taught you these much jargon? The spirit is made alive when we accept God's condition for salvation. A child is actually a sinner because of the sinful flesh he/she inherited from his parents(Adam and Eve). 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 3:54pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: If anyone's ego is hurt it is the one's that have started from heavenly body to God knows what they are defending now or from God can be tempted by the devil to totally ignoring the issue when you are found out. I not only read your posts well but I can read the intentions behind the post while reading the post. If anyone here has been using scripture to make points then he is the same person making this post. All through I have asked for scriptures to back the Heavenly body that you said Jesus had on earth and where God was tempted by the devil to sin. I don't even want to go further in asking for more scriptures to back many other false statements you have made that even most of your friends do not agree with. What does Son of God in his deity mean if not that you are claiming Jesus was displaying/showing/demonstrating his deity while he was a man on earth and I told you flat out that that was an unscriptural lie. There was NOTHING the man Jesus did (while on earth) that he related to his deity- none. All he did while on earth he did as a Man even though he was actually God. I have showed these things to your folks from easy to understand scriptures and nobody was able to refute it- not a single person. I have never told any lie on this thread and your question about the Gospels not mentioning Jesus flesh is as redundant as the word because they weren't projecting anyone who wasn't a man. In other words, they didn't need to say he was a man like us because the people they were writing to saw Jesus as what he was a man with the same flesh with other men. And I misspelled the word 'Sarx' by typing 'Carx' my bad, but I didn't tell any lie concerning it's meaning and when I am disposed I would flood this thread with the various definitions I have of the word. Infact it is a blatant lie to say the word means Spirit, soul and body. That word means Carnal, Mortal, Human, Earthly flesh or body and it was used not just in John 1:14 but in so many other instances including Romans 8:3. So I implore you to do your research well and retract that interpretation of Spirit, soul and body. Adam's SPIRIT was tainted by SIN because he SINNED. Jesus' SPIRIT wasn't tainted by SIN because he didn't SIN. Jesus only received the Adamic flesh by birth. That's why Mary was needed in the equation. I don't know why you keep asking me if Jesus is God. I said he didn't FUNCTION as God WHILE ON EARTH that's why he needed the Holy Spirit to do all the miracles he did and since you asked for the scriptural reference then please study John 14:10 even if I have repeated it so many times already on this thread. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 3:58pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Dumb post. *Ignored* (I cannot be quoting scriptures and repeating myself while someone is feeding me BS) |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:03pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Dumb post again. Don't you read your bible? Paul said FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom. You guys know nothing about who a man is and you wouldn't study or ask those who know to teach you. Imagine someone telling me that someone is a sinner because of his flesh. This should qualify as dumbest post on this thread. If you ask politely I would show you in clear verses how that a sinners Spirit is what makes him a sinner and not his flesh (FOR MAN IS A SPIRIT and not a flesh). Afterall, all men (both born again and sinners have the same FLESH). Except you would give another senseless response and say the born again man has a different flesh and in that case I would rest my case with you on this thread entirely. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 4:11pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: teacher Mba where in the bible did you come across sinful spirit? |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:12pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/4561.html the link for 'Sarx' and I didn't even need to stress myself in finding this out. I would still show you more when I am better chanced. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 4:13pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: ... ok |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by Nobody: 4:14pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Mbaemeka you really need to take it easy. I've read all your comments bro, you sound defensive and challenged. I'm not taking sides.... it's usually better to calm down before responding to a comment so that you get what the person is trying to say. More importantly, don't listen to rebut but listen to understand and if there are flaws, you refute. Reading the first line, scrolling down and then the last line won't help at all. It's not your ego that's at stake, no one really cares who "wins" an argument anyway..... Just saying.... 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:16pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I am using my phone now. I would show you more when later. Please study Ephesians 2:2 and remember that Jesus said to the Pharisees et al "Ye are of your father the devil". Is satan flesh or Spirit? Who created us in his image? Is God flesh or Spirit? |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 4:17pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/4561.html Guy, who do you think you are fooling here? WHERE IS THE DEFINITION YOU GAVE IN LINE WITH JOHN 1 |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:17pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I am using my phone now. I would show you more later. Please study Ephesians 2:2 and remember that Jesus said to the Pharisees et al "Ye are of your father the devil". Is satan flesh or Spirit? Who created us in his image? Is God flesh or Spirit? |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:19pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Abeg did you not see them defining the word Sarx there? What did I say that wasn't there and please compare it with your own definition of : Spirit, soul and body. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:21pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
Reiyvinn: Mbaemeka you really need to take it easy. I've read all your comments bro, you sound defensive and challenged. I'm not taking sides.... it's usually better to calm down before responding to a comment so that you get what the person is trying to say. More importantly, don't listen to rebut but listen to understand and if there are flaws, you refute. Reading the first line, scrolling down and then the last line won't help at all. It's not your ego that's at stake, no one really cares who "wins" an argument anyway..... Just saying.... I am not challenged neither do I feel defensive at all! What gets me irked is when they either blatantly twist what I said or ask me the same darn question one too many times! It is tiring more than anything. Thanks all the same. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by Nobody: 4:43pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: It's ok bro. Dialogues could be frustrating at times. I know that feeling, trust me. 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 4:44pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Hebrews 2:9, 14, 16-18 AMP |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 4:52pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: My gosh! I am sure you can do better. My request was for you to paste where you got your definition and not just any other site where it was defined. MBA, where did you get your definition from? |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 5:20pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka:eph 2 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Ephesians 2:2-3 "Wherein (that is in trespasses and sins) in time past ye (believers) walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, (Satan) the spirit (small s so it's not the Holy Spirit) that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3. Among whom also we (including ourselves) all had our conversation (manner of living) in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh, and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." Now look at the verse yourself, does your statement sound right to you? Mbaemeka.. A sinner is a SINFUL SPIRIT that is housed in a mortal body/flesh while a righteous man is a RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT living in a mortal flesh/body. mbaemeka: "Ye are of your father the devil". Is satan flesh or Spirit? Who created us in his image? Is God flesh or Spirit? When did man become the children of the devil? When we were chased out of the garden of Eden. Is satan flesh or Spirit? satan is spirit? Man died spiritually at the fall. We all became children of the devil and this was how we came by the sinful nature. We were not made like that, we were all perfect in Adam before the fall. Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Who created us in his image? God created Adam in his image but we lost God's image and took up Adam's fallen image. Is God flesh or Spirit? God is spirit and that was why we lost fellowship with him spiritually (we died). Jesus came to regenerate the dead spirit. 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 5:41pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: mbaemeka: Hebrews 2:9, 14, 16-18 AMP Jesus the Christ, our Lord and Savior, will be the One Who will be the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords of the world to come, in this inhabited earth that will be made again like the Garden of Eden. We also know He is higher than the angels, even though for the work of the cross, He became a little lower than the angels for a short while. There was only one way that He could remove death from the human experience. What was it? He had to die. He HAD to die. He had to overcome death with death. Life is in the blood. So what had to happen? He had to shed it. And so it is His shed blood that became the very solution for redemption. Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6. Who, (Christ Jesus) being in the form of God, (He never stopped being God) thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7. But (as God, He) made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." 1 Like |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by mbaemeka(m): 7:51pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I mean this is what I see and I know that you don't study and when you are found out you start asking questions so as to deflect the very wrong statements you had just made that was being exposed. This is what you said: I believe you lied here, if you didn't prove me wrong by telling me or pasting where you got your definition from. You even had the audacity to say I lied. Because I said this: Besides, the greek word for flesh as used in John 1 is 'Sarx' and it refers to "Carnal/Mortal/Adamic flesh" and nothing else. Now the link I posted CLEARLY states that the word has NOTHING to do with the SPIRIT and SOUL and only to do with the flesh. The same link related the word to flesh, skin, body, carnal etc. —Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) I don't know what you want me to give you again not to even mention that I forgave you for saying I lied. This link says the same: https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4561 Why are you asking me for where I got my definition from? Why don't you just prove that Sarx refers to Spirit, soul and body as you have claimed or admit that you goofed big time. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 8:12pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
mbaemeka: http://biblehub.com/greek/4561.htm [4561 /sárks ("flesh" is not always evil in Scripture. Indeed, it is used positively in relation to sexual intercourse in marriage (Eph 5:31) – as well as for the sinless human body of Jesus (Jn 1:14; 1 Jn 4:2,3). Indeed, flesh (what is physical) is necessary for the body to live out the faith the Lord works in (Gal 2:20).] |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 8:18pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=k85JKr1OXcQC&pg=PA460&lpg=PA460&dq=sarx+as+used+in+john+1:14&source=bl&ots=33E_KHQ2ke&sig=7yPk-gKLfUNKLTtpkeV9nbsCPKc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dq8pVMaOOtXjaufSgZAB&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sarx%20as%20used%20in%20john%201%3A14&f=false click on the link, you might just learn a thing or two. |
Re: Truth Behind Christ Embassy Healing School By Sir John by shdemidemi(m): 8:27pm On Sep 29, 2014 |
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hMx7BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT2220&lpg=PT2220&dq=sarx+as+used+in+john+1:14+vines&source=bl&ots=NJHLTThHOF&sig=QLg26_8Ok8m93eQ1T5Ja8SF2bH0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zbEpVN-oIdHmaNW3gfgB&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=sarx%20as%20used%20in%20john%201%3A14%20vines&f=false get busy bro... if these links don't help, nothing can. |
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