EfemenaXY:

Having sex with someone because the former was blackmailed by the latter constitutes consent, albeit given under duress, but it's consent nonetheless and so therefore does not qualify as r.ape. as ra.pe is based on non-consensual sex.

That aside, the rest are mere technicalities - but we'll never see eye-to-eye on this one....so let's agree to disagree.

If that constitutes consent under duress then marital rape has to be greatest fraud against men since it is both consent under duress and consent by union lool.

Alright, let's agree to disagree. However, straight men are facing a double whammy of threats of sexual violence from both women and homoerotic men in today's world. And we all need to be cognizant of these threats and help make male rape a crime punishable by law.

SirShymex:


If that constitutes consent under duress then marital rape has to be greatest fraud against men since it is both consent under duress and consent by union lool.

Alright, let's agree to disagree. However, straight men are facing a double whammy of threats of sexual violence from both women and homoerotic men in today's world. And we all need to be cognizant of these threats and help make male rape a crime punishable by law.

If a gay man penetrates you without your consent, he will be charged with rape.

EfemenaXY:


Jenny deactivated her account. I think she also deactivated her alternative account too.

Re: the male "r.ape". Still not possible. A guy who isn't interested will either push her off, or not get turgid. He must be willing for the act to even take place. He is in full control.

She can drug him, tie him up, blackmail him, whatever, but if he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to.

Male ra.p.e is just a man's fantasy come true.

Ok, I went to google and there are lots of articles discussing this issue of male arousal during rape. Here's one with a short version of the explanation.

The Myths - what's fact and what's fiction?

Men cannot be raped / sexually assaulted
Anyone can be sexually assaulted / raped, regardless of their gender, size, strength, appearance or sexual orientation. The vast majority of the literature or discussion about sexual assault / rape is discussed from the perspective of the female victim, and as such, there has been a “feminization of victimiszation” (Sepler, 1990). Until very recently, there has been very little in the mass media about male victims of sexual assault, and this absence leads to the belief that sexual assault simply doesn't happen to men. This is untrue.

The legal definition of what constitutes sexual assault / rape vary from country to country and state to state. However, sexual assault generally includes any unwanted or non-consensual sexual contact or attention i.e. inappropriate touching, harassment, exhibitionism, kissing etc. More specific sexual assault in the form of male rape involves unwanted, non-consensual or forced anal or oral penetration.


Women cannot sexually assault a man
Whilst the vast majority of perps who abuse males are male themselves, an estimated 3% are female. Again, rape and sexual assault is not about physical strength but about power and control (see above). In addition to this, because many men have never even considered the serious possibility of being raped or sexually assaulted by a women, there is a high likelihood that you may just freeze in the situation.

It takes many people by surprise that men can infact be assaulted by women, and often a man may fear that disclosure of the assault may be greeted with disbelief or that it will not be taken seriously. However, a man can be raped by a woman and the legal authorities are beginning to take this with the seriousness it deserves.


If a man sexually responds during rape, then its not really rape
Sexual response in men (in the form of erection or ejaculation) often occurs during male rape. However, this response is a mechanical one, and the only thing it shows is that your body is reacting in the way it is supposed to react to sexual stimulation. It is a near biological certainty that pressure in the prostate gland will result in a physical sexual response. It does not, in any way, mean that you have enjoyed it - and it certainly does not stop the rape being a rape. It is simply a reaction to which your body naturally responds, in much the same way someone who does not want to laugh, may laugh against their will whilst being tickled.
http://www.pandys.org/articles/malerape.html

I hope Jenny comes back

SirShymex:


If that constitutes consent under duress then marital rape has to be greatest fraud against men since it is both consent under duress and consent by union lool.

You're not going to pull me into that discussion.

I've carefully avoided that thread and I still like my vantage point / view from sitting on the fence.

SirShymex:
Alright, let's agree to disagree. However, straight men are facing a double whammy of threats of sexual violence from both women and homoerotic men in today's world. And we all need to be cognizant of these threats and help make male rape a crime punishable by law.

Er...a slight correction there.

Living out one's fantasy doesn't qualify as non-consensual.

SirShymex:
Lol, but the society doesn't even recognise male ra.pe - that's how fvcked up the world is.

Also, it isn't only women that are rap.ing men, even homosexuals are also rap.ing straight men these days.

Ra.pe a man and get away with it, but have consensual sex with a woman under influence and get locked up. What a messed up world!

I tell you. I might just pack our of this world and move to Mars at least there won't be any court to judge me there. Well, women always had it easy since the days of Adam but jealousy won't make them see beyond their nostrils.

carefreewannabe:


If a gay man penetrates you without your consent, he will be charged with rape.

Exactly my point.

It's a no brainer and shouldn't even come up in this discussion.

ileobatojo:


Ok, I went to google and there are lots of articles discussing this issue of male arousal during rape. Here's one with a short version of the explanation.

If a man sexually responds during rape, then its not really rape
Sexual response in men (in the form of Attention or expulsion) often occurs during male rape. However, this response is a mechanical one, and the only thing it shows is that your body is reacting in the way it is supposed to react to sexual stimulation. It is a near biological certainty that pressure in the prostate gland will result in a physical sexual response. It does not, in any way, mean that you have enjoyed it - and it certainly does not stop the rape being a rape. It is simply a reaction to which your body naturally responds, in much the same way someone who does not want to laugh, may laugh against their will whilst being tickled.

I hope Jenny comes back

I hope so too. Her leaving was just too abrupt. She's got a lot of unfinished work here and no-one's given her the permission to retire.

Okay, re: the extract above, that's akin to saying anyone who's had sex but didn't enjoy it can have the act classified as r.ape. And that comment about the body naturally responding simply butresses my earlier points / argument.

There is nothing natural about a woman bleeding as a result of being sex.uall.y assaulted. Her natural body's response is to produce lubricants to ease penetration, meaning the mind - her mind has given the go ahead that it's what she wants.

Same thing goes for a man. A man would only get an erect!on if he's excited and stimulated enough, meaning he's ready and wants to have sex. Wanting to have sex does not qualify as ra.p.e

EfemenaXY:


Exactly my point.

It's a no brainer and shouldn't even come up in this discussion.

Some people exaggerate, the West this and the West that, hostile to men etc.

I am not sure about the UK and the USA but in several other European countries, which I know quite well, white men don't complain like the men on NL. I work with white men only and I have many white friends, and they never complain. When I tell them what I read on NL, they laugh.

EfemenaXY:


I hope so too. Her leaving was just too abrupt. She's got a lot of unfinished work here and no-one's given her the permission to retire.

Okay, re: the extract above, that's akin to saying anyone who's had sex but didn't enjoy it can have the act classified as r.ape. And that comment about the body naturally responding simply butresses my earlier points / argument.

There is nothing natural about a woman bleeding as a result of being sex.uall.y assaulted. Her natural body's response is to produce lubricants to ease penetration, meaning the mind - her mind has given the go ahead that it's what she wants.

Same thing goes for a man. A man would only get an erect!on if he's excited and stimulated enough, meaning he's ready and wants to have sex. Wanting to have sex does not qualify as ra.p.e

Lady, I have followed your arguments on the issue of male rape and you seem not to understand how the make organ operates. Male rape is real as female rape. A doctor who specialises in treating rape victims and female confirmed it although its in the minority.
Guys need protection a lot this days. From women who can't control their urges to gays. Men, let's forget macho and cry for help or take laws into our hands when confronted .....lol

okotv:
Lady, I have followed your arguments on the issue of male rape and you seem not to understand how the make organ operates. Male rape is real as female rape. A doctor who specialises in treating rape victims and female confirmed it although its in the minority.
Guys need protection a lot this days. From women who can't control their urges to gays. Men, let's forget macho and cry for help or take laws into our hands when confronted .....lol

Please explain how a woman can rape a man.

carefreewannabe:


Please explain how a woman can rape a man.

can't explain that but as long as there are victims then it happens. You can read the original poster's writ

carefreewannabe:


If a gay man penetrates you without your consent, he will be charged with rape.

I think I already post a link that shows male rape isn't recognised by the law.

It is 2015, please learn how to read.

Cheers.

Nonso23:

This sounds very irritating on many levels.
Biology designed erection similarly to digestion, respiration etc.
That a man sports an erectio.n does not mean he wants to have sex. That's a perverted line of thought.
That he erupted doesn't mean he enjoyed the act.

To your analogy:
Consider a case where I feed a person poison forcefully, whether or not he enjoyed the poison his body will attempt to digest it and spread the resultant product across his body.
According to you, I cannot be held accountable for whatever the poison does to him afterall if he didn't want the poison he could have simply not digested it.

How right does that sound?

Your example is irrelevant to this discourse and doesn't make sense. It's akin to comparing apples to oranges.

Question is: why sport an erection in the first place if not to have sex?

EfemenaXY:


I hope so too. Her leaving was just too abrupt. She's got a lot of unfinished work here and no-one's given her the permission to retire.

Okay, re: the extract above, that's akin to saying anyone who's had sex but didn't enjoy it can have the act classified as r.ape. And that comment about the body naturally responding simply butresses my earlier points / argument.

There is nothing natural about a woman bleeding as a result of being sex.uall.y assaulted. Her natural body's response is to produce lubricants to ease penetration, meaning the mind - her mind has given the go ahead that it's what she wants.

Same thing goes for a man. A man would only get an erect!on if he's excited and stimulated enough, meaning he's ready and wants to have sex. Wanting to have sex does not qualify as ra.p.e

@ bolded, no that's not what this is saying. The analogy of being tickled is perfect to describe this issue actually. If you're tickled by someone you're so angry with, you would laugh. But your laughter in this case doesn't mean you're happy, it's just a reflex action to the stimulus your body received.

I even came across reports of women having orgasms, multiple orgasms even, during rape. Some even said they had dissociated themselves during the rape, blanked out only to be awakened by their orgasm happening and they certainly did not enjoy the rape.

What about minors? Even young children get erect when stimulated, heck just expose their privates to air and it becomes erect. Erection is not 100% under the control of the mind.

Same way many women will produce lubricants during rape but it doesn't mean they weren't raped.

Justice should be available to all rape victims, male or female.

Efemenaxy, you called your teacher for some lessons and argue with him when he tries to school you... How does that work

SirShymex:


I think I already post a link that shows male rape isn't recognised by the law.

It is 2015, please learn how to read.

Cheers.

Shymex, but she's agreeing with you on this. So am I.

Yes, the law doesn't constitute it as r.ape, but it is r.ape.

okotv:
can't explain that but as long as there are victims then it happens. You can read the original poster's writ

Strange that most men here cannot even explain it, every woman can explain ra*pe even if she was never raped.

I understand that a woman can do things to a man that he doesn't want to under certain circumstances like for example touch him or perform oral s*ex on him but can she have s*ex with him against his will?

And by the way, if you tie someone up or spike his drink in the West and perform oral s*ex on them, then you will be punished, no matter if the victim is a man or a woman. So men are legally protected. If you penetrate a man, you will be also charged so men are legally protected.

I don't know who told you people that men are not protected. I am 100% sure that in such cases, they will be taken more seriously in the West than in Nigeria.

SirShymex:


I think I already post a link that shows male rape isn't recognised by the law.

It is 2015, please learn how to read.

Cheers.

Where is the link?

njokusboy:
Efemenaxy, you called your teacher for some lessons and argue with him when he tries to school you... How does that work

Do you just swallow everything fed to you hook-line-and-sinker?

Whatever happened to disagreeing with reasons? I don't believe in cramming for exams, and if I see fit, will always question the "norm" whatever that might be. That's how great minds work - not being afraid to ask questions.

Now what your opinion on this topic? Can a man be r.ape.d by a woman? If yes, then how?

EfemenaXY:


Shymex, but she's agreeing with you on this. So am I.

Yes, the law doesn't constitute it as r.ape, but it is r.ape.

Me? Agree on what?

EfemenaXY:


Shymex, but she's agreeing with you on this. So am I.

Yes, the law doesn't constitute it as r.ape, but it is r.ape.

That wasn't what she said. She said the culprit would be charged with rape. And to charge anyone with anything, the law has to recognise it as a crime. However it doesn't at the moment.

carefreewannabe:


Strange that most men here cannot even explain it, every woman can explain ra*pe even if she was never raped.

I understand that a woman can do things to a man that he doesn't want to under certain circumstances like for example touch him or perform oral s*ex on him but can she have s*ex with him against his will?

And by the way, if you tie someone up or spike his drink in the West and perform oral s*ex on them, then you will be punished, no matter if the victim is a man or a woman. So men are legally protected. If you penetrate a man, you will be also charged so men are legally protected.

I don't know who told you people that men are not protected. I am 100% sure that in such cases, they will be taken more seriously in the West than in Nigeria.

how can we explain when we hardly see men spill out that they have been raped. No publicity from those who speak. Men can be raped cause we have victims. By the way, that guy has mind of its own and can erupt whether you want it or not. If you doubt, men also have wet dreams.

okotv:
how can we explain when we hardly see men spill out that they have been raped. No publicity from those who speak. Men can be raped cause we have victims. By the way, that guy has mind of its own and can erupt whether you want it or not. If you doubt, men also have wet dreams.

So how can they be helped?

EfemenaXY:


Your example is irrelevant to this discourse and doesn't make sense. It's akin to comparing apples to oranges.

Question is: why sport an erection in the first place if not to have sex?

Answer: because that thing has a mind of its own if the man is healthy

ileobatojo:


@ bolded, no that's not what this is saying. The analogy of being tickled is perfect to describe this issue actually. If you're tickled by someone you're so angry with, you would laugh. But your laughter in this case doesn't mean you're happy, it's just a reflex action to the stimulus your body received.

I even came across reports of women having orgasms, multiple orgasms even, during rape. Some even said they had dissociated themselves during the rape, blanked out only to be awakened by their orgasm happening and they certainly did not enjoy the rape.

What about minors? Even young children get erect when stimulated, heck just expose their privates to air and it becomes erect. Erection is not 100% under the control of the mind.

Same way many women will produce lubricants during rape but it doesn't mean they weren't raped.

Justice should be available to all rape victims, male or female.

Ah! I was just about to add that bit about minors to my initial response to you but you got there before me.

~ Yes, an adult woman having sex with a young boy (minor) is a clear cut case of r.ape. That I will forever be against.

~ A man forcefully penetrated by another male against his will is definitely a ra.pe case.

~ A woman forcefully penetrated by a man is r.ape.

However, a woman forcing herself on an adult male, or on another woman is just a joke as far as I'm concerned and is definitely not rape. With the exception of minors, if penetrative sex isn't involved (inclusive of 0ral sex), then it does not qualify as r.ape.

Okay, let's put this in perspective. It's easy to prove medically that a woman (or man) was sexually assaulted by a man. So, someone please tell me how it can be medically proven that a man was forced against his will by a woman to have sex with her?

Good heavens, this has got to be the joke of the year!

EfemenaXY:


Shymex, but she's agreeing with you on this. So am I.

Yes, the law doesn't constitute it as r.ape, but it is r.ape.

I saw the link.

I said that if a gay man penetrates another man then this will be considered rape and I stand by it. The link does not prove otherwise.

All the link says is that it is easier to get away with rape on males because they are less likely to report them and to sue their rapists.

Women have fought for legal protection when it comes to rape to be taken more seriously and against people blaming them for having become victims. They have won this fight. If men do not speak up and cannot even explain what constitutes rape on them and for them, how can they be helped? Who do they expect to help them?

carefreewannabe:


So how can they be helped?

make it a crime against men. For now am not sure it is

EfemenaXY:


Ah! I was just about to add that bit about minors to my initial response to you but you got there before me.

~ Yes, an adult woman having sex with a young boy (minor) is a clear cut case of r.ape. That I will forever be against.

~ A man forcefully penetrated by another male against his will is definitely a ra.pe case.

~ A woman forcefully penetrated by a man is r.ape.

However, a woman forcing herself on an adult male, or on another woman is just a joke as far as I'm concerned and is definitely not rape. With the exception of minors, if penetrative sex isn't involved (inclusive of 0ral sex), then it does not qualify as r.ape.

Okay, let's put this in perspective. It's easy to prove medically that a woman (or man) was sexually assaulted by a man. So, someone please tell me how it can be medically proven that a man was forced against his will by a woman to have sex with her?

Good heavens, this has got to be the joke of the year!

can a man be proved to be a virgin

EfemenaXY:


Ah! I was just about to add that bit about minors to my initial response to you but you got there before me.

~ Yes, an adult woman having sex with a young boy (minor) is a clear cut case of r.ape. That I will forever be against.

~ A man forcefully penetrated by another male against his will is definitely a ra.pe case.

~ A woman forcefully penetrated by a man is r.ape.

However, a woman forcing herself on an adult male, or on another woman is just a joke as far as I'm concerned and is definitely not rape. With the exception of minors, if penetrative sex isn't involved (inclusive of 0ral sex), then it does not qualify as r.ape.

Okay, let's put this in perspective. It's easy to prove medically that a woman (or man) was sexually assaulted by a man. So, someone please tell me how it can be medically proven that a man was forced against his will by a woman to have sex with her?

Good heavens, this has got to be the joke of the year!

can a man be proved to be a virgin

EfemenaXY:


Ah! I was just about to add that bit about minors to my initial response to you but you got there before me.

~ Yes, an adult woman having sex with a young boy (minor) is a clear cut case of r.ape. That I will forever be against.

~ A man forcefully penetrated by another male against his will is definitely a ra.pe case.

~ A woman forcefully penetrated by a man is r.ape.

However, a woman forcing herself on an adult male, or on another woman is just a joke as far as I'm concerned and is definitely not rape. With the exception of minors, if penetrative sex isn't involved (inclusive of 0ral sex), then it does not qualify as r.ape.

Okay, let's put this in perspective. It's easy to prove medically that a woman (or man) was sexually assaulted by a man. So, someone please tell me how it can be medically proven that a man was forced against his will by a woman to have sex with her?

Good heavens, this has got to be the joke of the year!

@ bolded, only in cases of violent rape. In a case of non violent rape, one will not be able to medically prove it was rape. You can only medically prove there was intercourse.