Lucabrasi

U used to make sense. What happened to you?

Muza

the way IBB had the likes of Humprey Nwosu, Abacha the likes of Adedibu. U ve Lucabrasi.

maxell:

Our so-called leaders from southern Nigeria have failed us abeg. There is nothing keeping them from speaking
with one voice demanding these culprits to be held accountable.

There is nothing keeping southern members of the national assembly from holding hearings regarding these killings.

Like I said earlier, the hausa/fulani of the north are taking advantage of the fact that we the people of southern
Nigeria are not united.

When people know they can treat you like shiit and you are going to sit there every time like a lame duck,
they will keep treating you like shiiit !!!

Can you show where the SOUTHERN people have demanded their politicians speak out or get out I mean sitting down without demanding and acting in favour of the change makes you equally culpable.

Kobojunkie:


Can you show where the SOUTHERN people have demanded their politicians speak out or get out I mean sitting down without demanding and acting in favour of the change makes you equally culpable.

Sorry to say this, but this statement of yours is nothing short of redundant. So, with all the news and pictures of the mayhem in Jos,
people still have to carry placards on streets and make demands for the politicians to do what they are elected to do ?

Even the house speaker, dimeji bankole, has visited jos and is saying they are going to investigate (could be just making noise anyway)
and "SOUTHERN" people didn't have to make demands.

Your statement that southerners (as opposed to the southern leaders) are culpable because they have not demanded for change - is just completely redundant.

yemmyse:

Lucabrasi

U used to make sense. What happened to you?

Muza

the way IBB had the likes of Humprey Nwosu, Abacha the likes of Adedibu. U ve Lucabrasi.

yemisi  ,
you are a clown,wat are you doing on naira land you should be on night of a thousand laugh,u are so "funny",
Big fool,you,you are like Basket mouth.  

maxell:

Sorry to say this, but this statement of yours is nothing short of redundant. So, with all the news and pictures of the mayhem in Jos, people still have to carry placards on streets and make demands for the politicians to do what they are elected to do ?

Lol. I love how you call the statement redundant. So what makes it redundant by the way? Oh, so all the people who go our across the world to protest riots and what not are being redundant? Hhmm…!!! Have said politicians done what they have been elected to do all this while? Not exactly sure how the expecting bread from stone works, I know, magic

maxell:

Even the house speaker, dimeji bankole, has visited jos and is saying they are going to investigate (could be just making noise anyway)
and "SOUTHERN" people didn't have to make demands.

Your statement - making southerners culpable because they have not demanded for change - is just completely redundant.

Hhmm…  You admit that Bankole could just be making noise, but you refuse a call for the people to demand lasting resolution to this problem once and for all. Hhmm,  I can see how you believe the southern people are doing all they can then. Is it any way possible that what we continue to get is exactly what we should get then from the likes of Bankole and ultimately the hooligans who continue to perpetrate these crimes??

@yemmyse
i have always said it anywhere that i am a de tribalised nigerian and i dont have an allegiance to any single tribe as i see myself first and foremost a s nigerian,rather than going off on a tangent i think you should state what you actually disagree with in my comment so that i will have a chance to defend it rather than making unreasonable comments about me being adedibu,nwosu and what not

1.do you agree or disagree with the assertion that there are criminals ,murderers e.t.c amongst all the tribes and not just the hausas, remember bola ige's killers,funso williams e.t.c killers are still walking around free,check the other thread where five little kids were killed in cold blood in ekiti,im sure you are conversant with the ones in oyo state and osun including other south western states,same goes for the east the assasination of the nba chairman and his pregnant wife i cold blood amongst other killings i dnt remember off head

2.as to my second assertion,isnt it obvious that the almajiris/political thugs are being teleguided to do all these stuffs?or dyu think they all just woke up one day and decided to start killing all these people?if you r in nigeria then you will remember the time policemen made a huge discovery of a cache of arms and ammunitions in dangote trailers covered with wheat, it was shown on tv and much ado was made about it but up untill today nothing has been done, if you dont know then i hope you realise that our politicians use religion and ethnicity as a primer to detonate often ignorant,illiterate youths into orgies of mayhem and destruction, same thing happened in osun state between pdp where about 10-20 ppl were killed last year,same happened intermitently in ibadan which you have read in the news, if hausas were that wicked and hated every other tribe pls answer these questions,

a)how come thousands of ibos ,yorubas and other tribes are not being killed all the time in lagos where they all live,trade and socialise together in harmony?i know there was a riot but that was years ago and a one off.
b)what are the proportion of hausas/northerners who actually have families in abuja or amongst the politicians?what are the proportion of hausas/northerners who have wealthy businessmen/women as families or guardians?
im sure you will agree with me that if you had rich parents or guardians you wont be drinking embalming fluid or getting hish on gutter fumes

lucabrasi:



1.do you agree or disagree with the assertion that there are criminals ,murderers e.t.c amongst all the tribes and not just the hausas, remember bola ige's killers,funso williams e.t.c killers are still walking around free,check the other thread where five little kids were killed in cold blood in ekiti,I'm sure you are conversant with the ones in oyo state and osun including other south western states,same goes for the east the assasination of the nba chairman and his pregnant wife i cold blood amongst other killings i dnt remember off head

How sure are you that Bola Ige's, Funso's and the Ekiti murderers are Yorubas?. I am not saying there are no Yoruba murderers but there is a difference between hiring a killer to assassinate someone you had differences with than a legion of bigots terrorizing a whole city while requesting for support from their nuclear state.

2.as to my second assertion,isnt it obvious that the almajiris/political thugs are being teleguided to do all these stuffs?or dyu think they all just woke up one day and decided to start killing all these people?if you r in nigeria then you will remember the time policemen made a huge discovery of a cache of arms and ammunitions in dangote trailers covered with wheat, it was shown on tv and much ado was made about it but up untill today nothing has been done, if you don't know then i hope you realise that our politicians use religion and ethnicity as a primer to detonate often ignorant,illiterate youths into orgies of mayhem and destruction, same thing happened in osun state between pdp where about 10-20 people were killed last year,same happened intermitently in ibadan which you have read in the news, if hausas were that wicked and hated every other tribe please answer these questions,

When?

a)how come thousands of ibos ,yorubas and other tribes are not being killed all the time in lagos where they all live,trade and socialise together in harmony?i know there was a riot but that was years ago and a one off.

Because it will be difficult for them considering how far away Kano is from Lagos.

RedHotChic:

How sure are you that Bola Ige's, Funso's and the Ekiti murderers are Yorubas?. I am not saying there are no Yoruba murderers but there is a difference between hiring a killer to assassinate someone you had differences with than a legion of bigots terrorizing a whole city while requesting for support from their nuclear state.

no one is absolutely sure of who killed them,but from the process of deduction,and what has been obtained from the media since then,the culprits are from the same south west,as for religious bigots well politicians usea system that works in particular areas, in the south west,east they dont need to brainwash thugs because the thugs obtained in these areas are much more enlightened so are willing to sell their services for money,a prime examle is the recent murder of five children in ekiti state,like i wrote before,the pdp killings between the faction of the chief of staff in oshun state peter power and the governor oyinlola where several thugs either died or seriously wounded while in the north all the politician needs do is approach co ordinator of the almajiris,and pay, after which any excuse can be given to rile them up including telling them that they need to kill some kaffirs e.t.c
the only difference between the two is that northern politicians pay less for mayhem than their counterparts in the south west/east but are basically the same

RedHotChic:


When?

last year sometime,if you know anyone conversant with politics in these areas they ll tell you,to add to that houses,cars,even the king of illesha's palace was burnt during another ac/pdp mayhem YET these was between yorubas without any hausas

RedHotChic:


Because it will be difficult for them considering how far away Kano is from Lagos.

distance is not a barrier to a breakdown of law and order or causing mayhem and destruction,it didnt stop the ethnic riots that happened in lagos many years ago

no one is absolutely sure of who killed them,but from the process of deduction,and what has been obtained from the media since then,the culprits are from the same south west,as for religious bigots well politicians usea system that works in particular areas, in the south west,east they don't need to brainwash thugs because the thugs obtained in these areas are much more enlightened so are willing to sell their services for money,

Process of deduction?. Will you also like the process to be applied to you when they are making arrests?. How can you charge somebody with murder on the grounds of the deduction principle?. Even motive does not cut it for me if there is no proof. How else can you prove to me that Funso and the Ekiti murders were committed by Yorubas and not Hausas or Tivs?

the only difference between the two is that northern politicians pay less for mayhem than their counterparts in the south west/east but are basically the same

Good, they get theirs on a platter of gold and I will be fixing wrong if it doesn't happen again in the next 6 months.

last year sometime,if you know anyone conversant with politics in these areas they ll tell you,to add to that houses,cars,even the king of illesha's palace was burnt during another ac/pdp mayhem YET these was between yorubas without any hausas

How sure are you there were no full or half blooded hausas?

distance is not a barrier to a breakdown of law and order or causing mayhem and destruction,it didnt stop the ethnic riots that happened in lagos many years ago

If distance is not a barrier, the whole Al Qaeda network would've turned the US into ruins.

RedHotChic:

Process of deduction?. Will you also like the process to be applied to you when they are making arrests?. How can you charge somebody with murder on the grounds of the deduction principle?. Even motive does not cut it for me if there is no proof. How else can you prove to me that Funso and the Ekiti murders were committed by Yorubas and not Hausas or Tivs?

seeing a process of deduction and simple evaluation doesnt hack it in a case as serious as this ,that is why no arrests has been made,doesnt discount the fact that the motive for these murders are not far from home,as for proof knowing the nigerian ssystem like we all do,dont hold your breath on that

RedHotChic:





Good, they get theirs on a platter of gold and I will be fixing wrong if it doesn't happen again in the next 6 months.

exactly,thats why i have personally reiterated the need to actually focus on root cause analysis rather than emotions over reasoning going on in most of the threads,

RedHotChic:








How sure are you there were no full or half blooded hausas?

the fact that a family friend's house and cars were amongst these burnt plus the fact that i am priviledged to know quite a bit about political going ons in that part of naija.

RedHotChic:







If distance is not a barrier, the whole Al Qaeda network would've turned the US into ruins.

i see,yet american allies closer to them including israel(if my geography is right)are all still standing and not in ruins
second,if they were than evil,how come the ibos and yorubas have confidently lived there doing their businesses for so long without molestation or any fear of attacks prior to these recent happenings?

@lucabrasi,

I have tried elsewhere to convince you that hired assasins and group of northern religious bigots are not the same.

Lets look at it this way,

Assasins are different from bigot/extremist. The former kill for money bc the see it as their 'job' but the later kill out of hate.

An assasin will kill almost anyone but these bigots wont kill someone they consider to be in their group.

So Luca,
Stop comparing these things. They make you look stupid which i know you are not.

@onyeogbu
i hear and understand you,BUT are any different from each other in a court of law??
let us assume they were both to be judged say by GOD for instance,will the hired killers be set free and the fanatics be condemned?you see the logic of my comments here?

the point here is that these religious fanatics have politicians behind them.
these assasins and thugs have politicians behind them.

in your own opinion,who do you think is the cause of the problem from what i have evaluated?
thanks for sayn im not stupid,but if you said i was,well my comments and the rationale for making them is clear for anyone to read and decide if i am making sense or not, i personally will not allow some politicians hiding somewhere dictate my mind set to me or play me and my emotions like playstation

I think the South should also be blamed for some of these atrocities.

Instead of building big edificies as churches, if we had aggresively worked at establishing the gospel in the North, maybe incidences such as this would be at the minimum.

Yemmyse please go first and if you still with your head on your shoulder in one week i will join you.

Spent a good part of my service year doing that.

P.s as at 6.01 pm 5 December 2008, ma head is still on my shoulder.

Which part of the north kano,bauchi,zamfara,borno or is the taraba,plateau axis

Believe the worst part. Served in a town with only 1 church. Did evangelism in villages where no church has ever dared to visit.

My dear, if we've spent half of the amount we spend in building 1m capacity halls on evangelism and education in the North. In 10 years we would be singing a new song.

@ RedHotShit,

How does taxation correlate to reducing those blood thirsty vampires of the Nigerian North? Which mallam are you going to tax? A mallam who inserts knife into his fellow mallam in order to remove the dirt residing inside his nose?

As far as I care, let the North go. They have been nothing other than trouble, mass violence and high joblessness.

yemmyse:

Believe the worst part. Served in a town with only 1 church. Did evangelism in villages where no church has ever dared to visit.

My dear, if we spent half of the amount we spend in building 1m capacity halls on evangelism and education in the North. In 10 years we would be singing a new song.

Practical nonsense!

I served close to the North, no amount of education or religion can eradicate the nonsense piled up into those nuisances in the north. The same education that has been there over the years, what changes has it made to them? The north are stereotyped into thinking unilaterally. At the least provocation, they are ready to pick their dagger and off they go.

E.g: The most popular car brand of car in the north is the Honda. Even with the vast diversities of cars and knowledge as to how one brand of car differs from another, they are stereotyped into thinking if it is not Honda, they do not have a car yet. With such a stereotype, pray tell me what education or religion in the next ten years can wipe it out of them?

lucabrasi:

@onyeogbu
i hear and understand you,BUT are any different from each other in a court of law??
let us assume they were both to be judged say by GOD for instance,will the hired killers be set free and the fanatics be condemned?you see the logic of my comments here?

the point here is that these religious fanatics have politicians behind them.
these assasins and thugs have politicians behind them.

in your own opinion,who do you think is the cause of the problem from what i have evaluated?
thanks for sayn I'm not stupid,but if you said i was,well my comments and the rationale for making them is clear for anyone to read and decide if i am making sense or not, i personally will not allow some politicians hiding somewhere dictate my mind set to me or play me and my emotions like playstation

None of these people will be set free by any court not to talk of the Almighty himself.

The point here is that the two crimes are unrelated. Why not compare the crime of Jos killing with that of deadly highway armed robbery afterall people die in it too.

You are obviously saying that politically motivated ethnic cleansing and politically motivated assassination is the same nature of crime. And I will like to disagree with you.

Tutsis assasinating a Hutu Rwandan President was not the same thing as the Hutus retaliating and killing hundreds of thousands Tutsi civilians.

The first one was an assasination while the second one was genocide.

Although both crimes have politicians behind them.
However, assassination and genocide was not obviously considered the same kind of crime if not why are the perpetrators of the assasination not being tried in a UN court.

You want me to point out the cause of the problem and thats where I will tell you that the solutions to the two problems are different.

People have to stop being greedy to stop hiring thugs to prove their political point and

Bigots/extremists have to stop listening to everything their religion or leaders tell them.

Now, as you can see,
These two solutions aint gonna follow the same procedure.

E.g: The most popular car brand of car in the north is the Honda. Even with the vast diversities of cars and knowledge as to how one brand of car differs from another, they are stereotyped into thinking if it is not Honda, they do not have a car yet. With such a stereotype, pray tell me what education or religion in the next ten years can wipe it out of them?

Guy no be small thing be that ooo, If you wan sell your honda quick quick, carryam go ugwu awusa.

Pataki:

Practical nonsense!

I served close to the North, no amount of education or religion can eradicate the nonsense piled up into those nuisances in the north. The same education that has been there over the years, what changes has it made to them? The north are stereotyped into thinking unilaterally. At the least provocation, they are ready to pick their dagger and off they go.

E.g: The most popular car brand of car in the north is the Honda. Even with the vast diversities of cars and knowledge as to how one brand of car differs from another, they are stereotyped into thinking if it is not Honda, they do not have a car yet. With such a stereotype, pray tell me what education or religion in the next ten years can wipe it out of them?

Na the cars wey we dey drive be your prob?
We cant drive hummer,GMC,Phantom, Ferrari,etc cos,
we don't do militancy,kidnapping,bunkering,blood money,419,Armed robbery,, etc

Muza:

Na the cars wey we dey drive be your prob?
We can't drive hummer,GMC,Phantom, Ferrari,etc because,
we don't do militancy,kidnapping,bunkering,blood money,419,Armed robbery,, etc

You're right.The dan daudus on Zaria road can see you better in a honda than in a jeep

@Kweenisha (militant),
Haba militant terrorist,i'm i lying ,

Also i forgot to mention that we don't steal and ship hired cars from Europe.

Muza:

Na the cars wey we dey drive be your prob?
We can't drive hummer,GMC,Phantom, Ferrari,etc because,
we don't do militancy,kidnapping,bunkering,blood money,419,Armed robbery,, etc

You dont need to. Your brodas are busy stealing all the money in the corridors of power no thanks to the parasitic constitution.

But for oil u'll be a Nigerien without access to the internet.

Muza:

@Kweenisha (militant),
Haba militant terrorist,i'm i lying ,

Also i forgot to mention that we don't steal and ship hired cars from Europe.

Yeah
It's bought straight from our treasury
and you'll have no problem hacking me to death with a machete that came from it's booth

this forum is polluted with tribalists

.

Muza:

this forum is polluted with tribalists

Your country is ruled by tribalists who preach the message of "one nigeria" with their lips and for percuniary benefits only. But for "one nigeria" you'd be a rebel leader in Niger or Chad.

Muza

Hearing u call anyone a tribalist gives a whole new meaning to the word.

By the way this whole discussion is boring, where is RHC and Ikey to come spice it up a bit?

By the way this whole discussion is boring, where is RHC and Ikey to come spice it up a bit?

im sure they will be here soon.