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tbaba1234:


“O you who believe! Be mindful of Allaah,
and be with those who are true (in word and
deeds).” [al-Tawbah 9:119]

What about those verses that are full of hatred, inciting war, promoting killing of unbeliever of islam ? I asked again why can't the muslim allow everyone (even their people) to practise whatever religion they desire. As it is, my brother or sister can choose to worship whatever he/she wants, without interference from anyone. As a christain i only believe in preaching the word of God, but the conversion belongs to God whose word you are preaching. Salvation is entirely God's. You can preach from now till eternity, if the Lord has not sanctioned those words or taken hold of those words, it will achieve nothing. Any conversion gotten by compulsion, inciting fear, threat, or by enticing with material things(like money, goodies) is false and should be avoided. Giving people options like; either you convert to Islam or you leave your house or be killed is demonic practise. QED

azaino:
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What about those verses that are full of hatred, inciting war, promoting killing of unbeliever of islam ?

Which ones?? I have read all of the Quran, can't find what you mention.


There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in God has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. God is all hearing and all knowing. 2:256

fabrigas18:
and which verse in the Quran did u read dat, I will love 2 cross-check. Satan

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80)- "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."
Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them".
Qur'an (53:29)-"Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

The Quran says muslims should not take jews,and christians as 'auliya' .

What does auliya mean? In what context was the revelation given? How come the companions of the prophet had jewish and christian friends??

There are many words for friends in Arabic language, depending on the kind of friendship, the people enjoy...

i.auliya relates to a 'protecting friend'.... Like a father is an auliya to his son. Allah is the auliya to the believers....

So what does this mean?

i.) The muslims were in a state of war but they had friends who remained jews or christians. Some of these friends did not like the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)and supported for the other size: The mushrik of mecca.

If the relationship between the two friends was one whereby the Non-muslim was an auliya or a wali to the muslim... It means the muslim depends on him for protection and tells him everything, this could include military strategies.. etc.. A Non-muslim friend with loyalties elsewhere can divulge this kind of information to the other side

So even though the muslims maintained cordial relationships with their Jewish and christian friends, It was not the kind of relationship, where the non muslim was an wali or auliya to the muslim.

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There is no compulsion in religion:

What is islamic stand on those who fail to believe either in Muhammad or Allah ?

I really wish you can be truthful in that regard

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"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (60:

The scholars of Islam have underscored five major objectives of the Islamic law based on the noble Quran and the Sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad.

These objectives are the protection and promotion of the following:

1.Religion 2. Life 3. Progeny or family 4. Intellect or mind 5. Property or wealth

your primary purpose of existence is the worship of Allah; from that comes everything including the sanctity of human life. Allah tells us Himself it is sacred(roughly translated):

Do not take life, which God has made sacred, except by right: if anyone is killed wrongfully, We have given authority to the defender of his rights, but he should not be excessive in taking life, for he is already aided [by God]. (Surah 17:33)

Here, Allah declares the sanctity of Human life, and only permits it when a crime such as murder is committed even then the option is given to the family on whether to carry out the punishment. This is in the case of murder...

So how sacred is human life? Allah says in the Quran (roughly translated):

On account of [his deed], We decreed to the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person– unless in retribution for murder or spreading corruption in the land– it is as if he kills all mankind, while if any saves a life it is as if he saves the lives of all mankind. Our messengers came to them with clear signs, but many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (Surah 5:32)

Allah relays to us a decree to the previous muslim nation that applies to us. Anyone who kills a person unjustly is as if he has killed the whole of humanity and anyone who saves a life has saved not only that life but the whole of humanity.

This is the weight of taking a person's life unjustly... And this is not only for muslims:

The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills a mu‘aahid (a non-Muslim living under Muslim rule) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty years.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2995

Anyone who kills non-muslim living in the land of the muslims will not smell the fragrance of pardise...

We are to deal justly and kindly with those who have done nothing to harm us: Allah says

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just" (60:

We are to deal justly and kindly with those that have not harmed us in any way...

So wars do happen, don't they? ... What are the rules of conflict for the muslim?

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children. (Saheeh Muslim Book 019, Hadith Number 4319).

Then Abu Bakr, the first caliph based on the prophetic teaching advised a military commander, Yazid, "I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." Maliks Muwatta Book 021, Hadith Number 010.

You are not even allowed to kill animals except for food, nor cut trees

The present life is used to attain the after-life, therefore it is important that a muslim uses what he has been given in this life to attain the success of the hereafter. Islam is all about fulfilling the rights of everyone, Fulfilling the rights of Allah, Fulfilling the rights of the prophet, Fulfilling the rights of of your neighbour, fulfilling the rights of your employer, fulfilling the rights of your parents, fulfilling the rights of your children, fulfilling the rights of your wife, Fulfilling the rights of the animals.

Islam implies that you fulfill all the rights... Allah says in the Quran (roughly translated):

God commands you [people] to return things entrusted to you to their rightful owners, and, if you judge between people, to do so with justice: God’s instructions to you are excellent, for He hears and sees everything. (Surah Nisa:58)

"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do" (5:

The watch word for the muslim is Justice even if it is against himself...

A muslim that kills an innocent person will have to face justice with Allah. As regards terrorism, whether it is committed by a state that sends an army or drones to kill innocent people or a group of militants for any ideology. It is deeply frowned upon by Islam. Unfortunately, there are some muslims who have used their anger at the state of the muslims to commit acts that have no historical or scriptural basis in Islam.

Allah allows for Self defence when you are wronged but there are limits that must not be transgressed. Allah says (roughly translated):

There is no cause to act against anyone who defends himself after being wronged, but there is cause to act against those who oppress people and transgress in the land against all justice– they will have an agonizing torment– (Surah 42: 41-42)

tbaba1234:


The Quran says muslims should not take jews,and christians as 'auliya' .

What does auliya mean? In what context was the revelation given? How come the companions of the prophet had jewish and christian friends??

There are many words for friends in Arabic language, depending on the kind of friendship, the people enjoy...

i.auliya relates to a 'protecting friend'.... Like a father is an auliya to his son. Allah is the auliya to the believers....

So what does this mean?

i.) The muslims were in a state of war but they had friends who remained jews or christians. Some of these friends did not like the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)and supported for the other size: The mushrik of mecca.

If the relationship between the two friends was one whereby the Non-muslim was an auliya or a wali to the muslim... It means the muslim depends on him for protection and tells him everything, this could include military strategies.. etc.. A Non-muslim friend with loyalties elsewhere can divulge this kind of information to the other side

So even though the muslims maintained cordial relationships with their Jewish and christian friends, It was not the kind of relationship, where the non muslim was an wali or auliya to the muslim.

Is this just your own understanding of those verses, cos i see you are educated. How do the Islamic extremist, those that call themselves Allah soldiers view this verses ?

tbaba1234:


The Quran says muslims should not take jews,and christians as 'auliya' .

What does auliya mean? In what context was the revelation given? How come the companions of the prophet had jewish and christian friends??

There are many words for friends in Arabic language, depending on the kind of friendship, the people enjoy...

i.auliya relates to a 'protecting friend'.... Like a father is an auliya to his son. Allah is the auliya to the believers....

So what does this mean?

i.) The muslims were in a state of war but they had friends who remained jews or christians. Some of these friends did not like the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)and supported for the other size: The mushrik of mecca.

If the relationship between the two friends was one whereby the Non-muslim was an auliya or a wali to the muslim... It means the muslim depends on him for protection and tells him everything, this could include military strategies.. etc.. A Non-muslim friend with loyalties elsewhere can divulge this kind of information to the other side

So even though the muslims maintained cordial relationships with their Jewish and christian friends, It was not the kind of relationship, where the non muslim was an wali or auliya to the muslim.

Is this just your own understanding of those verses, cos i see you are educated. How do the Islamic extremist, those that call themselves Allah's soldiers view this verses ?

azaino:


Is this just your own understanding of those verses, cos i see you are educated. How do the Islamic extremist, those that call themselves Allah's soldiers view this verses ?

This is an understanding according to scholars of the religion.

Muslims are allowed to marry christians, can you hate your wife?

azaino:



Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80)- "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur'an (3:28)- "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."
Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them".
Qur'an (53:29)-"Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

All this verses that u mentioned are really out of context, if u can d yourself a favor get to read to verses b4 and after each verse you mentioned above and get the full explanation. Mentioning about this verse below:

(This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th surah verse no 5. which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them".

This verse is referring to the time of Muhammad (S.W.A) during a war btw muslims and mushrikun of makkah, and this war was started by the mushrikun of makkah, thats when d verse was revealed to muslim to kill them whenever u find them. Meaning in the battle field

Pls do me a favor and read the next verse after the 5th verse..

Anyway here is d next verse after that: surah 9 verse 6.

And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
9:6

tbaba1234:


This is an understanding according to scholars of the religion.

Muslims are allowed to marry christians, can you hate your wife?

Are you serious ??