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Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 4:34pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: Nope. I'm open minded. I don't just want to delude myself. That's why I'm an ex-Christian. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Hiswordxray(m): 4:37pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:I can see you are finding it difficult to understand what children is. Don't worry when you give birth to your own children you would understand the meaning of children. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Thanks. Genesis 15:14: "But I will judge the nation they will serve, and after that they will go out with many possessions. Note that this was the Abrahamic covenant. {Exodus 6:5} God mentioned that after the affliction, his offspring will be given that land. He also mentioned that after their affliction, they would leave with possessions. It has a larger fulfillment for us today. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Hiswordxray(m): 4:39pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:Is that what you tell yourself? Even the most deluded person will claim to be open minded. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 4:43pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton: BabaGnoni: Pr0ton: Hiswordxray:^^^ Word up. True Hiswordxray, my good brother |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 4:54pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:Brilliant because I was just about saying: If then As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” - Hebrews 3:15 ESV Scripture says, "If you hear God speak today, don't be stubborn. Don't be stubborn like those who rebelled." - Hebrews 3:15 GOD'S WORD® Translation For future referencing, note down my underlinings in the above verses and/or different translations Pr0ton:This is no trick question, whether you answer well or not, doesnt matter It is a gauge question for my benefit Dont be shy to give your answers. All that's required is honesty and sincerity So again, please indulge me and tell, what to your knowledge symbolises the voice of God OR word of God in the bible (i.e. what symbolism(s) is used for the voice of God or word of God in the bible) I'll set you off with some examples, the dove symbolises the Holy Spirit, Cloud symbolises the presence of God etcetera Now, just throw all you have at me, I can take and handle it/them What symbol(s) to your knowledge is used for the voice or word of God Let's have your answer so we can move on to deal with your "Suffice to say, he hardned his heart before he sent Moses" Pr0ton:Bro you made a moot point, and it's actually you who didn't get the point We are talking of a God that knows the END from the BEGINNING and in this case, nonetheless went along with the plan |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 5:24pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: What should we do of the rest humans? Since He knew he won't take them as children why make them run the risk of hell? Why create them at all? |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 5:27pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
MzNelly: But ma, you make no point here. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 5:29pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: If both parties claim to be open minded, there's only one obvious truth; the one you oppose. Oppose this post, delude yourself. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Okay then. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 5:37pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:this is the reason why God hardens pharoah's heart. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Rom 9:17. i don't think God punishes anyone unjustly though. one must have committed some sins. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 5:44pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni. Symbols I don't believe those superstitions how will I be able to provide one Ok. Storm and earthquake represent His anger If you remember Mount Sinai, lightening and thunder represented his voice I think I've provided what you need to continue the discussion... |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 5:52pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: That verse is just like saying I made Seun the owner of Nairaland (you know how popular his website is) I then hacked his website and made myself known as the hacker of such big website. How rational and matured would you deem me to be? |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 6:05pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: Pr0ton: clevvermind: clevvermind cant even make up his mind, One minute it is "...Pharaoh's heart was already hardened before..." then next it is "...this is the reason why God hardens pharoah's heart..." He can try to oversimplify this as much as he wants, meanwhile the truth and fact of the matter is, just like a kitchen sponge wants to harden up when there is no presence of water so Pharaoh was, he was eager to harden his heart even upon hearing the voice of God or word of God, God obliged him, and so God, in effect, hardened the King, Pharaoh's heart, when He, God, backed out and He withdrew His Hands off Pharaoh's heart 1The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes. 2Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts. 3To do righteousness and justice Is desired by the LORD more than sacrifice.… - Proverbs 21:2 New American Standard Bible |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 6:16pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:yea. God wants to show his power in Egypt. but through someone who does not regard him like pharoah. he wants to prove to all Egyptians that he is God and beside him, there is no other. he does whatever he says. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 6:22pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
37 Who is he who speaks and it comes to pass, When the Lord has not commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That woe and well-being proceed? 39 Why should a living man complain, A man for the punishment of his sins? 40 Let us search out and examine our ways, And turn back to the LORD; 41 Let us lift our hearts and hands To God in heaven. Lam 3:37-41 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 6:52pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton:^^^ Not baulking at creating them at all, that Pr0ton, is the beauty of God respecting everything or everyones right of existence. It simply is about God honouring creation right to existense It is God fulfilling everyones right to life and God not violating that right by "aborting" anyone before they expire or time-out. It comes down to, God restraining Himself inspite of foreknowing our choice (e.g. hardening hearts etcetera) Selves may not intertwine, but lives do. Everyone has a right to life, and everyones right to live that life is part of God's master plan |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 8:20pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:^^^ This is rhetoric explaining God off, has having "a low self esteem" and bent on a mission of disgracing Pharoah and making a wanton public display of the Egyptians! |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 8:26pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Whether you believe or don't believe in symbols, you cant escape symbolisms in the Bible Whether you like or dont like, the bible is full of symbolism, even life is full of it too... You may recall the bible phrase "...land flowing with milk and honey..." well milk is a symbol for prosperity and honey is a symbol for abundance Milk, also is a symbol for the simple, baby or basic Word of God You may recall another bible phrase "...Lion of Judah..." well it's a symbol representing Jesus meaning satan is no match to Jesus returning back like a lion (i.e. just like, no animal can match the King of the Jungle) From the Parable of the Sower, seed, is used as a symbol for the word of God. Water, among many of its other meanings, is a symbol for the voice of God or word of God too - water softens the ground of the heart and prevent it from hardening Water soothes, just like the voice of God or word of God which it symbolises does Bible aside, symbolisms is part of everyday life Take status symbols for an example, like using the Mercedes Benz key 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 9:08pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:God wants to show his power in egypt so that they would know that there is a God who is all powerful that is unknown to them than their magicians, witch, idols etc. God always want to make himself known to such people that don't know him. You know that some later believe in God and went out of Egypt with the Israelite. God doesn't do that to show off or boast his self-esteem. Lalasticlala can help us move it to front page to get more views. This is an interesting topic. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 9:39pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: Why not let's thoroughly deal with this "why do God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart?" seemingly confusing and difficult question, before darting from magicians, witch, idols etc on to "some later believe in God and went out of Egypt with the Israelite" etc. In the same vein, you do know that it was, those some, who later "believed" in God and went out of Egypt with the Israelite that instigated the Israelites to build and worship the golden calf You're making a clarion call for FP. Making FP is overrated. Brace yourself for a market place and not just more views when/if it hits FP |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by kindnyce(m): 9:39pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
WELL ITS FOR REASON,EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS IN A MAN;S LIFE |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 9:39pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Yeepa! It made FP!! |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by jmoore(m): 9:40pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
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Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by haibe(m): 9:41pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply:the concept of freewill is only an illusion bro. Nothing ever happens if God doesn't allow it 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by MISSCONGENIALITY(f): 9:41pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
But from the passsage that the op sighted it was not the evil spirit that hardened their hearts but God himself. So how does one pray against the will of God in his or her life? spyroet: |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by ETHIX(m): 9:41pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: So u don't know ? Just that people neglect some part of the scriptures and stick to the part that intrest them. The same hand GOD uses to bless he also use to slap. The same anointing the bless people can be used to kill. It all depends on which side are you. Sin separates us from God and all he wants is true and complete repentance. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by veraiyke(m): 9:41pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Let m attempt. First such a question amounts to asking y is der a poor n a rich person? D poor n d rich r dey nt d making of same God? Again, doh God's foreknowledge is nt in question, yet man is a free moral agent. God knew d hrt condition of Pharaoh n so used it to show his strenght in Egypt. On a second tot Pharaoh was dominated by d Devil |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply: Then there will be no need for the free will he gave us if you are advocating that god should change pharawos mind |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by haibe(m): 9:47pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: bro u are only trying to defend God in detriment of Scripture contradiction. The bible clearly states in Romans that pharoah heart was harden in order to fulfil God's will. It's the same with judas and co, they were all manipulated to fulfill God's will. If there was no judas, they won't be redemption of sin by the death of Christ today. The only thing is to pray that God guides you still because this God we are serving is really mysterious. Once again, the concept of freewill is only an illusion. Total freewill does not exist, if it does then there is no need for God to be angry about our actions which he allowed. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by haibe(m): 9:49pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
veraiyke: Nah. Don't try to defend the bible. The bible made it clear that pharoah was hardened by God to fulfill his will, not like he had any offence before. Everything was planned, or technically, programmed. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 9:50pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:u are only obfuscating the issue. i have already quoted the scripture that gave the clue as to why God harden his heart. that was what i am explaining here. i'm not clamouring for fp as you suppose but other people's view is needed here. thanks. |
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