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Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 10:28pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Unquestionable God |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by lolaxavier(m): 10:31pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
femi4: Hmmmm...i see. But he is omnipotent, he could have easily softened pharaoh's heart rather than hardening it... I get it, he only wants to see some action... |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 10:31pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:Sure, of course and like I previously said, now that it's on FP and after an awful lot has been said, let's know if you are any the wiser meanwhile, I'll be here, sitting down crossed leg, dey await your version, your explanation(s) and/or answer(s) to HOW did God harden Pharoah's heart? |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by franugo(m): 10:31pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind: i said serzly, not just quoting cus ur god of man told u 2. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 10:34pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply, your attention is needed here please: https://www.nairaland.com/2112232/why-does-god-sometimes-hardens#30118365 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 10:34pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply: When you offend god with impunity .He leaves you enjoying yourself and commiting more sin.God will accept your sincere repentances on the sins u committed against god. But when it becomes glaring for the sinner that u are gonna die like the case of pharaoh,then god hardens your heart the more even in the face of death |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by InvertedHammer: 10:38pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
/ At what point will you humans stop trying to figure out what God is thinking? Can you even decipher what a human being is thinking? \ |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Precioussilas10: If God programmed pharoah's heart to be heard, why then did he waste Moses time sending him to pharoah, when he already knows pharoah wnt change. Why would God purnish people for what he has programmed them to do? Afterall God is love, isn't He.? So what's love in that action of his? There's more to that scripture than meets the eye, so dnt be hasty to draw conclusions. I'd like u to read Job 34:10-12 and Jame 1:13 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Sparkle777(f): 10:42pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Truckpusher: Exactly wat I said in a previous post. God really wants to punish gmb, pls dnt take it literary. But look at the way He made gmb campaign flow, even ppl dat once hated gmb are now on his side. Bdway,whoever organised gmb socially desrves an award. Back to topic, from all indications gmb might even win this election fairly but forget matter, the g papa no go enter aso rock. Na who wan giv am? That can be God s way of hardening his heart for destruction. My opinion pls. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 10:47pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
InvertedHammer:^^^ It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. - Proverbs 25:2 King James 2000 Bible |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 10:47pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:i have already given my little explanation based on what i understand as to why God hardens pharoah's heart except u didn't saw it. so no need to wait. it should not be a do or die affair. i'm still learning though. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 10:52pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:i dnt cram vrrses......it a verse...i didnt quote it as it twas written....i sed it in my own way |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Olufemiolaolu(m): 10:57pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:Back 2 sender. shame on u,fayose relative. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 10:58pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:^^^ Patience is my middle name, so I dont mind waiting Am glad you've admitted and confirmed that its not a do or die affair I saw your explanation which I said was a rhetoric and dismal WHY Please read posts carefully, you dont have to be hasty to reply or send responses back The request I made by the way to you, was about HOW, HOW did God harden Pharoah's heart and not WHY God hardened Pharoah's heart |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by birdman(m): 11:01pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
its a mistranslation. In 1 Samuel 6:6, you can see another account. It was pharoah that hardened his heart.Translating Hebrew to English often involves concepts that are alien to the culture of the translator, At such places, you will usually see translators making interpretations based on their cultural biases. You can see the same when you read up a Yoruba bible for example. The important thing is that it is dangerous to build theology based on one bible verse. You need several verses speaking in alignment to do so. When you see a misaligned verse like "The LORD hardened pharoah's heart" in exodus, you can usually tell there is translational bias because this does not jive with the overall character of God portrayed in the bible. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 11:06pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
danjumakolo:He's still tampering with "freewill". I'll only agree with you if you can convince me god does not really offer freewill to his assumed creatures |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 11:08pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
duduhemit36:but you have to show the scriptures that says pharoah's heart was hardened from the beginning. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 11:08pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
birdman: Not just 1 Samuel 6:6 but also Hebrews 3:15 below for harmony, inconjunction with the heart/wet sponge and/or school boys fighting illustration(s) As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” - Hebrews 3:15 ESV Scripture says, "If you hear God speak today, don't be stubborn. Don't be stubborn like those who rebelled." - Hebrews 3:15 GOD'S WORD® Translation https://www.nairaland.com/2112232/why-does-god-sometimes-hardens/2#30123402 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Olufemiolaolu(m): 11:11pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 4 430 years the Lord has been patient with pharaoh's generation oppression over children of Isreal. Remember the Lord's mercy over d wicked has an expiring date. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 11:14pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Olufemiolaolu:OK, we hear you, so how did God do the hardening of Pharaoh's heart then? |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 11:16pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:the how is that God makes him stubborn by his refusal to release the children of Israel. God makes him to be obstinate. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by adexsimply(m): 11:21pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
@BabaGnoni Which part or what's contradictory in the post?I didn't say it was "contradictory". You made an illustration of 2 kids A and B about to have a fight, you held kid B who was desperately aching for a fight despite the fact that you've separated them. At the end, you decided to step back and allow kid B to fight. You then assumed you were hardening the heart of kid B by stepping back, meanwhile what you did was allow him to choose to continue the fight or call it quit(Freewill Pharaoh was willing and eager to "fight". Yes? No?Not really. But God stepped in holding Pharaoh's heart back from turning hard. Yes? No?No he didn't. God eventually stepped back and respected Pharaoh's free will to go "fighting"No he didn't. and his stubbornness to hardening up his soft heart. Yes? No? God allowed Pharaoh to harden up his heart and this paved way for Pharaoh to "fight". Yes? No?God didn't allow Pharaoh to harden up his heart, God actually aided the hardening up. God was pouring fluid on Pharaoh's heart which kept it from hardening. Yes? No?No - just like one does in keeping a kitchen sponge wet or dripping by pouring water on itI don't get. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 11:21pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
clevvermind:^^^ ROTBL I'll let you off |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 11:22pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Olufemiolaolu:not back to sender. just watch. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 11:25pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:ok then, bring your view. how did God hardens pharoah's heart? question back to you. i want to learn. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by femi4: 11:57pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
lolaxavier:Yes, he could have but he chose not to ROM 9:17 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 12:05am On Jan 26, 2015 |
BabaGnoni: clevvermind:^^^ You're not at sea, are you because I already have so no need to boomerang me the question |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 12:06am On Jan 26, 2015 |
adexsimply:I know what you said You said: "Nope, on the contrary, when you step back and allow kid B to fight, you're allowing him to choose (freewill)" I actually made two illustrations to buttress the point Mind you, the "choice" (i.e. to fight) has already been made but you were blocking or preventing the choice (i.e. the fighting or hardening) to occur or happen You WILL let the fight happen or harden the heart when you remove the blocking or stop the prevention Read this. Back in the day, at boarding school, when two kids are raring to fight usually a senior or their mates try to prevent them from having the fight sometimes the senior or their mates relent and give in because the boys are still doing "agidi and gra-gra" that they want to fight When the principal asks who made them fight, the answer he usually gets is, it's the senior or the mates who did - the boys were been separated and blocked from fighting each other, but wouldn't have any of it so the senior or their mates allowed the boys to fight So in a way, the senior or their mates allowed made them fight, although they, the boys in actual sense were raring to fight initially/fight as well adexsimply:Yes he was. Pharaoh was willing and eager to "fight". It was the hand of God on his heart that prevented it from hardening up adexsimply:Yes He did. When God removed his hand off Pharaoh's heart, it means He eventually stepped back and respected Pharaoh's free will to harden up his heart. adexsimply:Yes He did. I asked Pr0ton about symbolisms and reading on Hebrews 3:15 concerning this adexsimply:Yes, God allowed him to become stubborn, as he Pharaoh was keen or eager to become stubborn adexsimply:OK. OK so how did God aid the hardening up adexsimply:Yes. Water, among many other representations, is also a symbol for the voice of God or word of God Moses was made a god to Pharaoh, but Pharaoh shut himself up and was ignoring the water, the voice of God or word of God which would soften his heart and prevent it from hardening adexsimply:It is not a trick or trip question, just simple critical thinking What will happen, is that, the sponge will hardened up without water poured on it What will happen, is that, Pharaoh's heart will hardened up when he shuts himself out from God's voice or the word from God and definitely harden when God withdraws to leave Pharaoh to his antics and fate When God did this, God in effect harden Pharaoh's heart No more "water", so whatever "seed" is planted on Pharaoh's heart is going to fall on hard rocky ground deaf ears of a heart, it will choke and die |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Abbott(m): 12:08am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Your response made perfect sense. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Emmanuel247(m): 12:15am On Jan 26, 2015 |
BabaGnoni: U know my man. U should read the verse again, u will see where God said that he himself will harden his heart.. He purposely hardened his heart for his own purpose. In other words [b] It was not fluid he was pouring into pharaoh's heart.......... Super glue I guess. May God forgive me if I have spoken more than I should. Jah Bless |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 12:22am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Emmanuel247:BasketMouth aint got nothing on you I hear you. Enough respect to you and more grease to your elbows |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by omosefeeguaibor(f): 12:51am On Jan 26, 2015 |
I once thought about this very same issue too, and I realized this 1-it was God's plan to use a pharaoh. now the question became why this particular pharaoh? then I understood that many pharaoh has passed and God didn't punish anyone of them, the way he did with the pharaoh in question. simply because the pharaoh was an object for destruction, to manifest God's power. then again I realized that God must have seen something with this particular pharaoh. not to talk of what we are seeing in terms of him being stubborn. #brooding |
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