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Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 1:18am On Jan 26, 2015 |
omosefeeguaibor:^^^ #1 How does one build and raise a nation, and raise it covertly, without alarming other nations already inhabiting lands this nation was given to possess? (i.e. recall Abraham and his offspring were promised those lands now inhabited 430 years ago) Answer - Use Egypt, a superpower of that era #2 God passes judgement when the cup is full with foaming wine (i.e. wine been a symbolism for divine judgments) #3 God said He will pass judgement on Egypt and vindicate the Israelites (i.e. pay back time for the Egyptians and set free time for the Israelites) #4 Pharaoh was a law unto himself. God hands off him, obliged him and so Pharaoh gets his just desserts |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by JEITO: 1:34am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Maybe a bible dictionary or concordance would be of help because the word "hardened" as used several times in the scripture, come from different root words which thus give them different meanings. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by fesnge(m): 4:27am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Are you atheist? Stop doubting God. If you re bored, read psalm 23: 1-6 God bless you. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by kunlenkirol(m): 5:30am On Jan 26, 2015 |
God hardened Pharaoh's mind for humans to know that He is the all in All. He also hardened Pharaoh's mind cos he is destined for doom. That does not mean that he will harden our mind on some issues for us to perish. Far from it! Having said that, God does not see us as robot whom he can control at will. That is one of the reasons he gave us brain, knowledge and all the five senses for discernment. If he had wanted to control our affairs, he wouldn't have given us all those. He wanted us to have a choice, either to follow him or not. He can admonish us but he can not decide for us. That is why the bible says something about God giving us the power of life and death but he admonished us to choose life. He did not say u must choose life. At the same time, you can decide to choose death. What I am saying is that, God can purposely harden or make someone the fall guy so as to prove a point or make tthe scripture to be fulfilled. Look at the case of Judas Iscariot. Judas himself was not clean, neither was he righteous which gave room for his being the betrayer of our Lord and Saviour. Iscariot had d medicum of a swindler. Just like you being in the office and you want to commit atrocity like embezling, you don't just pick anybody. You look for someone that has that trait. They are all around us. They will manifest. You see them and you know you can talk to such person. Infact, if u are telling him, he would just give you more ideas. That is the case of Judas Iscariot. That is why it is good to come clean and. Be righteous. 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Truckpusher(m): 6:11am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Sparkle777:Hehe You're on point sister.Buhari the coupist will never smell Aso Rock let them hype him all they want it's all a wasted effort. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by stint(m): 6:37am On Jan 26, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:With due respect sir, you are just not making sense. This analogy would have been good for other situations not this one. I dont see any correlation between two kids that would have fought without any inducement and pharaoh that needed to be haddenned for destruction. My own conclusion is that we are Gods. And he moulds us like the potter moulds the clay, he make some to be put on fire(pots) and he makes some to be put on dinning table() |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by stint(m): 6:40am On Jan 26, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:With due respect sir, you are just not making sense. This analogy would have been good for other situations not this one. I dont see any correlation between two kids that would have fought without any inducement and pharaoh that needed to be haddenned for destruction. My own conclusion is that we are Gods. And he moulds us like the potter moulds the clay, he make some to be put on fire(pots) and he makes everyone seeing this cos its very unlikely u are being hardened, i say this because those who are haddenned are usually not even aware of the possibility. You are aware. Fear God, he is in heaven doing what pleases him. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 6:42am On Jan 26, 2015 |
omosefeeguaibor:this is the point exactly. God makes him stubborn so as to manifest his power in Egypt. it was God that did the hardening to fulfil a purpose. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 6:52am On Jan 26, 2015 |
stint:thank you. 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, you. Romans 9:21-23. there are vessels prepared for destruction. to show God's wrath. take note of verse 22. you are right. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by stint(m): 6:53am On Jan 26, 2015 |
omosefeeguaibor:My sister, let me answer that question for you. I have heard christains use that to ...... whatever. But after i realised this particular pharoah was just born at the wrong time, i had to think again. And guess who decides when a man is born? God. See, right from the time of abraham, we new the israelite had to spend 400 years, this pharoah was born around the time that number expired. He was the closest in birth date to the expiration date if the slavery of israelite. Like i said, who chooses your birth date or how your linege is arranged? God. Like I said, fear God. Things like this shouldnt make you loose faith. They should make you fear God. Can the clay say to the potter why do you make me this way or that way? Fear God. I was expecting someone to say this is all old testament and it does not apply under the new covenant. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by stint(m): 6:57am On Jan 26, 2015 |
clevvermind:Yes sir! Emphasis on the word PREPARED! |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Edusouls(m): 6:58am On Jan 26, 2015 |
you even beleived nature made you, and you were so organized as a human being, meaning that nature that made you is super organized, now who designed nature to be so organized? did nature just form by mere coincidence? noo my brother nature was designed by the creator, if you dont beleive in God them you shouldnt even beleive in natures ingenuity,because God is nature, and God is love that's why although you doubt his existence, he still keeps you alive and healthy, atheist beleive in your maker while you still can., because your very soul when you die goes back to the owner and he will ask you to give accounts of your deeds...u have a good heart, so realize the inevitable truth in time and make ur self complete... all4naija: |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by dammywapes(m): 7:08am On Jan 26, 2015 |
clevvermind:u re d only one who got d answer to d question. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 7:11am On Jan 26, 2015 |
stint:exactly. God have the power to fashion the clay to any vessel he wants. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 7:17am On Jan 26, 2015 |
dammywapes:i don't have the answer. only God can answer that question why he created me like this. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by stint(m): 7:18am On Jan 26, 2015 |
all4naija:Nature ingenuity? You talk about nature as if its a person. Do you believe in the evolution theory. You think your brain as powerful and complex as it is was made by accident?You think the earth just happened to be rightly position from the sun to support human life. What about the sun, who created it? There is just so many things that could only have been created ,by a force who is all powerfull , there is no other explanation. Google the many holes in the theory of evolution. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Precioussilas10: 7:26am On Jan 26, 2015 |
vfactor:Thanks for recommending that scripture passage.And that's why i said i did love to see the views of others.I wasn't concrete in my assertions. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 7:54am On Jan 26, 2015 |
stint: - EXCERPT - oic again, as I thought you did know... It is very similar to what happened to Pharaoh. Both minds have already been made up there is no point wasting time and effort on either anymore, as they both were hellbent (i.e. both were determined to achieve at all costs what they've set their minds on to do) The answers lie in the following verses: But I will make Pharaoh's heart stubborn so I can multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. - Exodus 7:3 NLT But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and just as the LORD had predicted to Moses, Pharaoh refused to listen. - Exodus 9:12 NLT 23He replied, “One of you who has just eaten from this bowl with me will betray me. 24For the Son of Man must die, as the Scriptures declared long ago. But how terrible it will be for the one who betrays him. It would be far better for that man if he had never been born!” 25Judas, the one who would betray him, also asked, “Rabbi, am I the one?” And Jesus told him, “You have said it.” - Matthew 26:23-25 NLT When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, "Hurry and do what you're going to do." - John 13:27 NLT Judas like Pharaoh, can be compared with wet sponges... Wet sponges that want to dry out the water keeping them wet, which eventually ends to getting hardened up but are kept from drying up and hardening by God keeping them wet through continually pouring water on the sponges The moment God cuts off the stream of water pouring on them, the sponges in a matter of time will dry out, harden up and be brittle Have you ever tried pottery, where you put the clay on the pottery wheel to make a vase The clump of clay is always resisting you shaping it into the vase The clump of clay will fall off the pottery wheel unfinished and damaged, the moment you let go your hands in molding it Keep your hands on it until the end, you'll have a beautiful vase Another analogy, is this: Kid A and kid B, are sizing each other up, breathing into each one's face, each raring for a fight Right at the nick of time, you step in to prevent the fight starting but kid B, will not have none of that as adrenalin and testosterone is pumping high Kid B is spoiling for the fight, despite all appeal or effort to prevent it Everyone knows kid B is no match for Kid A, as kid A will beat the living day lights out of kid B but kid B does NOT agree nor wants to know (i.e. kid B is hellbent, determined to fight at all costs, not matter what) In effect, kid B's heart is hardening for/to fight You harden kid B's heart, the moment you step back and allow kid B to have the fight, he's so much set his heart on That's how Pharaoh's heart got hardened (i.e. the restraining, like in the case of kid B, was let off) and similar happened to Judas, he was let go (i.e. as he was a lost cause, who couldn't be changed for the better) https://www.nairaland.com/1820451/judas-iscariot-really-villain#24836472 - /EXCERPT- Nothing to do with Pharaoh been programmed at all... Pharaoh was a willing participant, Pharaoh was raring to go bad. God didn't like that, and so God was holding Pharaoh back nevertheless God eventually obliged him and made do of the circumstances or made the best of it PS: When God hands off one, then He allows the heart of whose He has taken His hands off to harden https://www.nairaland.com/2112232/why-does-god-sometimes-hardens#30117553 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by BabaGnoni: 8:01am On Jan 26, 2015 |
clevvermind:clevvermind following the herd since 2000 BC God doesnt make anyone stubborn or make anyone hard God is not in that kind of business, even Hebrews 3:15 confirms that we harden our hearts when we refuse to listen to the voice of God When God withdraws or removes element (e.g. water, a symbolism for his voice or word) that prevents stubbornness or hardening, then that one has a free rein to become stubborn or harden up Same with my clay and potter analogy When you stop adding water and stop holding the clay when spinnning, the clay will fall of and eventually harden up The Potter has in effect hardened the clay, as He said He would Why should you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? After he had dealt severely with them, did they not send the people away, and they departed? - 1 Samuel 6:6 ESV As it is said, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” - Hebrews 3:15 ESV Scripture says, "If you hear God speak today, don't be stubborn. Don't be stubborn like those who rebelled." - Hebrews 3:15 GOD'S WORD® Translation https://www.nairaland.com/2112232/why-does-god-sometimes-hardens/2#30123402 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Sparkle777(f): 8:16am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Truckpusher: I just pity the old man, for him to go all this far just to have his heart broken again, ouch! Its gonna be all the way home. Anyway, it may be God s way of dealing with him for his past mischief. #buharigoandrest. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by AdeniyiA(m): 9:00am On Jan 26, 2015 |
God does not erect a house where a foundation does not exist. In other words, Pharaoh was stubborn by default, and Judas Iscariot was also greedy. They were only being helped to express more clearly their character. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 9:07am On Jan 26, 2015 |
spyroet: You're dead wrong, mate. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by clevvermind(m): 9:33am On Jan 26, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:if Pharaoh's heart was already hardened, why then did God say, ''i will harden pharoah's heart''? it doesn't make sense then. pls throw more light to it. no name calling pls.thanks |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by tradepunter: 10:06am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: i was a little bit confused but this explanation makes lot of sense |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Windrunner: 10:14am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by micynute94(m): 10:31am On Jan 26, 2015 |
All i c is stupidd analogies.. @ Pr0ton... u deserve a medal.... . pain me die say i no dey here since d argument started.... 1 Like |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by piagetskinner(m): 12:04pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
lolaxavier:Yea.. good u used a small "g"...ur own god must be high on whatever...Mine is the most HIgh GOD.HE pleases to do whatever he wants with us, because we are his creation...science doesn't have answers to all these, because science is/ and will continue to limited... |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 12:17pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
piagetskinner: Bro.. You are not safe. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by piagetskinner(m): 12:22pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
Pr0ton:If for believing in God. yes, I'd prefer not to be safe, than to acquaint myself with the limited 'knowledge' that men like u claim to have#have a nice day mr man |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Pr0ton: 12:26pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
piagetskinner: Lame. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Precioussilas10: 4:03pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:But God said he was created for that purpose-to show the people of israelites he was a powerful God and they should build their in him.For this purpose,poor judas wouldn't have been able to escape fate. |
Re: Why Does God Sometimes Hardens People's Heart? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
Some creatures are from a bad stock, not really because God didn't create them, but because they chose to deliberately flout the orders of God most high! When God wants to deal with such people, he hardens their heart so that they cannot repent, because he intends to destroy them! |
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