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Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by MayorofLagos(m): 1:52am On Mar 16, 2015 |
GenIgrigi: If thats the case lets double the capacity of gas furnaces in Iboland so you can carry it as a badge of honor for higher capacity of oil production. Mumu! 6 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by MayorofLagos(m): 2:03am On Mar 16, 2015 |
GenIgrigi: Really? Ordinary Niger bridge, a distance of 1.8km, and the gateway into your land, all five states put together no fit build. Meanwhile Fashola has used revenue taxed from your labor to erect a 1.8km bridge and then stationed a toll gate to further tax you as you ride the bridge to get to Lekki, where it is claimed Ibos own 80% of mansions. Lol....you get mouth, but Yorubas got brains! We shall make you a eternal labor slave in Lagos. You want to own Lekki? Come on and get it....go bring all your clan from village. ....but dont ever think of industrializing East, or you will anger our leaders, you dont want to upset Yoruba leaders. 6 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by MayorofLagos(m): 2:10am On Mar 16, 2015 |
GenIgrigi: We dont have problem with map reading but you have a problem with map interpretation......calling furnaces industries! "Clueless", aburo Jona! 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 4:16am On Mar 16, 2015 |
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Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 4:23am On Mar 16, 2015 |
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Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by M4gunners: 5:16am On Mar 16, 2015 |
rexbuton:Thanks rexbuton for this Thread. I have a question, i thought and thesame time confuse about Igbodo sharing the boundary with Umunede in the north instead of Ekwuoma. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by internetpirate: 6:05am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Mr. Rexbuton, in my little experience, it is difficult to change someone's mind, especiaLly if it has been seared by propaganda. The danger with arguments is that anyone can take a position (however erroneous) and find substance to argue it to reality. Having said the above, please note that ALL igbo towns at the fringes share similar dilemma with Ikas (please research on the Ohafia and Nsukka dialects as good examples). You spent time trying to highlight the similarities between Ika and Benin, and didn't bother to highlight the similarities between Ikas and Igbos? Lol!! How convenient! I'm sure you'd find that what joins us is more than what separates us! Don't let inferiority conflict reduce you to being slaves!! You'd rather admit to being a Bini slave than an Igbo freeborn? Has it gone so bad?? I can challenge you to a " language similarity test", and you'd find that my dialect is more differentiated than yours from the mainstream Igbo, yet I know I am Igbo. It may be considered smart to fool others, but it is the greatest foolishness of all when you fool yourself! Like Igbos say, "use your tongue to count your teeth". Nnawooo!!! Good morning!!! 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Nobody: 6:12am On Mar 16, 2015 |
@ OP. I think it's time you guys stopped saying Nyandael documented Agbor migration from Benin. He did NO such thing. He only wrote that Benin was depopulated at his time as a large chunk of the people had fled the city. Many centuries later, Talbot suggested that the people who fled the city could have settled and founded Agbor and Obior. And today many Ika writers want to treat that as fact and attribute words to Nyandael that the man never said. Agbor is much older than 1702. Heck, in 1702, Agbor was already a fairly powerful state under its (arguably) most powerful king, Adigwe. 2 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by MayorofLagos(m): 6:29am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Internetpirate, I find the Ika claim clearly dubious on the fact their custom is kindred more to the East than it is to the neighbouring cultures on their West and this is exhibited in social identities.... I don't know how Akanbi, an Ilorin indigene whose vernacular is distinctly a Yoruba dialect is going to deny being Yoruba because he is politically labelled a Northerner. Nonetheless, I think you goofed with this statement: Don't let inferiority conflict reduce you to being slaves!! You'd rather admit to being a Bini slave than an Igbo freeborn? Are you guys aware one of the underlying reason people are reluctant to own up on their Igbo identity is due to repressive discriminative practices inherent in Ibocustoms...example, osu? It's unbelievable you will prop your offer for freedom delicately on a controvertible custom Igbo is popularly known for. 2 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 8:59am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Good morning all ! Overnight there had been so much insults, name calling and even threats from most Ibos on this thread.. I never intended that this thread would degenerate into a Yoruba- Igbo feud.. I only want us to examine facts. Please let us be very civil in our approach So far, the only valid point that the Igbos have put forward is that the Ikas speak a dialect which is closer to theirs, and I also put forward the geographical proximity being partly (to a lesser extent) responsible. Furthermore, the Ika people have continually stated that they are not Igbos, I believe every group has a right to self determination and that should be respected always. But the Ikas have remained silent though a few of them have posted that they are not Igbos. The issue of Ohafia and Nsukka does not relate to this at all The first post concerning the locations and clans and peculiarities was not my work and I credited the author and made corrections to some errors I could find. 3 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:01am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Radoillo:Your claim is very possible.. Most works I have examined by white men have proven to be very unreliable.. Could you get us unbiased proof? Maybe intelligence reports on the Agbor settlement? 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:06am On Mar 16, 2015 |
internetpirate:1.I did not hand pick works at all, I posted everything I got.. I examined all the records I found 2. Similarities between the two groups are language and what else? 3. Your second and final paragraph was totally flawed and irrelevant |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:17am On Mar 16, 2015 |
francizy:You people are saying all these because we are peace loving people. I wish you people were a minority in the northern part of the country, you would have been forced to not only abandon your culture, your language but also your religion, after which you wouldn't still be made to feel among them due to some kind of discrimination.I believe you are not trying to justify what happens in the North, It is totally repulsive and shameful that people should be killed over ethnicity or religion, but even as it were, national unity should not be an opportunity for others to force themselves on you.. With the ongoing campaign of Igbos claiming SE/SS I felt it was time we analyse it properly. If not for our sakes, but for the sakes of future generationsPersonally, I don't know why the Igbo guys here are trying to paint it like we're related when you people always say that we ain't. In my secondary school days, I recalled one Delta Igbo guy telling me that this isn't the case of Biafra that they are not our brothers. I was dumb founded because I never called him or his tribe out as belonging to or being part of us.He could be your brother on a national level, but tribally he said he wasn't.. And he was correct |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:28am On Mar 16, 2015 |
MayorofLagos:Fuuny post.. I do not speak for the ANIOCHA people, I only speak for the Ika people. But really some Ika people still bear these Ibo names, that's their problem. I asked someone yesterday, where is Segun Arinze from? Dissociating customs? That is almost impossible.. If we examine europe, Croats and serbs are very similar, but you must never confuse their naationalities, in fact this reminds me of the Soviets and other Eastern bloc countries, even when they were tied together each person maintained his ethnic sovereignty even with the geographical proximity. As soon as the Soviet broke up, each person find im way gradually. Same with the bosniaks, serbs and croats and Bosnia. Nigeria is very similar to the soviet, but if we break up tomorrow, the Fulanis would be claiming Benue, Kogi, Kwara downwards and the Igbos would be trying to absorb everyone around them even up to Bayelsa and Benin.. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:34am On Mar 16, 2015 |
pazienza:This agitation gave birth to the demand of Anioma State, which though remains unrealized. In 2007, the National Assembly of Nigeria announced its willingness to allow the creation of one more State for the Igbo people, a committee to adopt a State for the Igbo was set up and led by Chief Emmnauel Iwuanyawu, this committee which failed in adopting any State for the region, threw out Anioma, stating that the creation of Anioma State would amount to an additional State for South-South region of the country. Get the report, it is available online |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:34am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Anioma is My Ethnic-nationality not Igbo Until we the Anioma People recognize the incontrovertible fact that we are indivisible group of people with one destiny concentrated in Delta and Edo States (Igbankes) we may continue to wallow in ignorance and ultimately end up giving our victory to our opponents or still, end up as what Prof. Ola Rotimi, the late Literary Guru called “A Butterfly that thinks himself a Bird”. In the instance, our opponents are the Igbos (of the South-East) If oral history in its own usual business continue to claim that some of us originated from the Igbos are we still Igbos? We have our own distinctiveness whether cultural and linguistic unique to us. We are united in Anioma and on “Enu-Ani we stand. At least we have a place in the 250 ethnicities in Nigeria . We are today Aniomas and not Igbos. We have this sense of belonging because we know we have our own place in this Nation that place we shall move on to take with Renewed vigour. If the Igbos see us as “Delta Igbos” the same way we were seen as “Bendel Igbos” in the past how do we see ourselves? We do not even need history in assisting us know that the Igbos are largely failures in the theatre of Nigerian politics for the reason we cannot rely on them rather we must understand the simple truth that an individual in this Land cannot belong to two different ethnic nationalities. We cannot be Aniomas and at the same time Igbos. Anioma is our own and our home. We have been deceived for too long by the Igbos. Ohaneze will do us no good or can anybody pointedly tell me what we have achieved from this organization over the years? Instead we await Ohaneze to help us actualize the creation of Anioma state,the oldest state in agitation in Nigeria . If Chief Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu led panel for the creation of additional state in the Igbo land could conclude that the creation of Anioma sate would mean an additional state for the people of south-south geo-political zone then the Aniomas are on their own and cannot count on the Igbos. If the Governor of Imo state, Chief Ikedi Ohakim has declared the readiness of the governor and people of the state to give necessary backing to the growing call for the creation of Njaba state from the present Imo and Anambra states (see the Punch newspaper, Monday, March 31 2008) We have no place amongst the people of Imo sate. Is the proposed Njaba state more viable economically than Anioma? It is sad that 48 years after the independence of Nigeria, the Igbos have not yet familiarized themselves with the gimmicks of political competitions in Nigeria such that we begin to wonder if the politicians from this geo-political zone ever consult their Academics, Historians and other political scientists before formulating their “wash-wash” policies. It is equally very wonderful that the Igbos would prefer to remain as they presently or even shrink in the name for the purpose of creating one additional state for the zone rather than extend and claim their either lost Anioma or Rivers state group. How unimaginable it would appear for the Igbos to carve out one more tiny state out of any of the present existing tiny states of the east. The Anioma ethnicity has in the past sacrificed quite a lot for the Igbos but our rewards remain nothing but denial for separate existence or even to join them as our believed kiths and kin. During the civil war, almost all the Biafrian commanders were Aniomas. Even the Biafrians invaded the Mid-western region which at that time included the Aniomas. Series of massacres were also carried out in Asaba, Ogwashi-uku, Ibusa and other towns and villages though by the federal troops all of these we had to suffer for the Igbos. Today, the Igbos would look the Aniomas in the eyes and boldly tell us they the prefer the creation of any out of mushroom names and not states of Urashi, Orlu, Njaba and other villages. I hope the Aniomas have leant a lesson at least we now know we never for once belonged to the Igbos and that the Igbos do not see us as one of their own. We have discovered our root since 1951 and this can be found in Anioma. We have no inheritance in Ohaneze Ndigbo. The earlier we seek our own ethno-national umbrella the better for us. Anioma “Ofu-obi kanyi jie je! By Emeka Esogbue 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:40am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Anioma: Igbo, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Isoko, Leave Us Alone! I want to preface this write-up by emphatically stating that we are “Anioma,” our region can and should only be correctly referred to as “Anioma” and not “Western Igbos,” “Ika Igbos” or even “Delta Igbo,” all of which presage nothing but “fake Igbos.” Care should also be taken not to refer to us as “Delta North” as we have never heard of “Ebonyi East,” “Lagos North” or “Sokoto South” these derogatory and discriminatory references are threateningly tending to overshadow and send our prestigious name, Anioma to its early grave, so the proper usage of this name is of uttermost concern to me. Contrary to prevailing circumstances and dilemma which relegate us to the background in Delta State and Igbo politics, such as poor representation in political affairs of the State, lack of amenities, ethnic identity crisis, deliberate marginalization, abandonment by our Igbo kiths and kin from the South East etc, we know we are still a great nation to reckon with. This write-up will therefore focus on the two factors which have been egregiously and heavily weighing down the Anioma ethnicity, and at best have prevented us from finding our bearing, how our Anioma region with innumerable associations, countless social groups, technocrats, political office holders, professionals of Anioma extraction, etc have contributed to the disgraceful predicament of the present state of the region. The first and major issue of dilemma confronting this region is the problem of ethnic identity, the present state of the region weakened by abandonment and lack of vision has again raised the question on whether Anioma people are Igbo or not. This question has generated a lot of debates in the past and present, and will continue to do so even as it hampers growth and development in this region and presents us with nothing but pauperization. I make bold to comment that the attitude of the Igbo of South East to their Anioma counterparts have not really justified that Anioma are Igbo except on papers, and that if ever the people South East deem this necessary, they have always relied and ended such only with historical support and not more, however actions have failed to justify this. Evidently the Igbo will always count on us to support the large population density of the entire Igbo nation by for instance stating that the Igbo are 40 million if a thorough and unbiased population census is organized in Nigeria but it does not go beyond this. An Igbo may also want to merely count on similar names existing between the Igbo and Anioma as a reason for justifying the Igboid relationship with both regions, but ask an Anioma just what he has gained from the South East; he looks at you endlessly and tells you “nothing.” We have been in this situation for long, so it is not in the least surprising. The Igbo are taught in school that the Igbo are only in South East, in this case what happen to others? It is for this reason that the phrase “core Igbo” exists in our dictionary today. I am still racking my brain to remember the last time any Governor from the South Eastern part of the nation officially visited the Anioma region even if it is solidarity one. The place of issues bothering on Anioma is what is missing in Ohaneze Ndiigbo’s agenda, do we not know this? Interestingly, the Igbo have in some way been frustrating the race for the actualization of Anioma State because to them there is no reason why the State should emerge, this apparent when a committee headed by Chief Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu on State creation for the Igbo completely and arbitrarily ruled out the choice of Anioma State for the Igbo because according to them this could mean another State for the South-South geo-political region, but right senses accord us the knowledge that the emergence of Anioma State would make a sixth State for the South East, if the Igbo so desire it to be, Is Onitsha today a community within the South East not an Anioma community I ask? We may for certain reasons, clear or unclear ignore this but history will not because no one can turn back the hand of clock. An Anioma State would have been a full-fledged Igbo State for the Igbo, the great Chuba Okadigbo realized this before his death. It is a fact that the Anioma people have never been in the agenda of the Igbo contrary to what an Igbo writer like Ogaranya Uju Nkwocha Afuleze tries to force down into our throats. We have now deeply understood from Emma Okocha that when the Republic of Biafra was declared as a secessionist State from Nigeria by Chukwuemeka Odimegwu-Ojukwu, Anioma was not included in the maps of Biafra, instead the declaration only claimed Onitsha, a part of Anioma community now lost to the South East but in the pogrom that accompanied this, Northerners did not spare Anioma people because historically, and to the best of their knowledge, Anioma are completely part of Igbo nation, the result was that we shared in the killings and maiming. Some Igbo Historians have argued that the events that led to the civil war was caused by the Late Chukwuma Nzeogwu but these Historians fail to understand that first and foremost, Nzeogwu was not the leader of that coup, again he (Nzeogwu) only acted in reciprocity of the bad treatment and marginalization being manufactured by the Northerners and targeted at the Igbo, a race he felt he was part and parcel of but when the battle line was drawn, he quickly realized that he was not in the arrangement of Ojukwu when he was ostracized from the affairs of the then Biafran Republic. I have lost count of the number of Army Commanders of Anioma extraction Biafra had. We died for the lived and died for the Igbo during the Nigeria-Biafra War, in the history of the Biafran War today, there is no Igbo community singly or put together that died as a result of organized massacres than the Anioma communities. Yet the rejection of Anioma people as proper Igbo or as “fake Igbo” peoplewho cannot speak Igbo properly has continued to this day. “Again in the 2007 election, as a prelude to that charade, Prof. Pat Utomi {from Ibusa}, whose wife is from the East, went to OHANAEZE to solicit for support for his presidential ambition. Chief Orji Uzor Kalu also went to solicit for his too. A section of OHANAEZE that rejected Pat Utomi, gave me a terrible food for thought. One of them, according to some daily Nigerian newspapers’ reports, hankered abject adroitly : “Is he really a proper Igbo man? Look at him, he cannot even speak Igbo properly.” Others even insinuated that his name did not sound Igbo. I was shocked to the bone marrow. I couldn’t believe what I was reading from prominent Igbo citizens. Instead of asking the two candidates to present their programmes and manifestoes, they were busy hankering on whether one of them is a “proper Igbo” or not. I was shocked of words. If any Igbo person does not know the meaning of Utomi, then that person should take a suicidal dive into the river Niger .” (Igbos of Delta State and Crisis of Identity (Conclusion) by Ephraim Adinlofu Interestingly, Pat Utomi is a member of Ohaneze Ndiigbo. We should never beg the Igbo to accept us as their kiths and kin rather the Anioma leaders should devise ways of wining the battles by taking the fate of the region in their hands, is the region must succeed. The status of Anioma is not strange in the polity of Nigeria , consider the seeming ethnic affinity existing between the Isoko and Urhobo, yet the Nigerian constitution and people recognize these as two distinct ethnic groups in the country. The case of Itsekiri who mixed with Benin and Yoruba as the Anioma are mixture of Bini and Igbo is also a case study here, the Itsekiri people are today distinctly an ethnic group separate from the Yoruba as well as Bini. When Peter Okocha was stabbed in the back, Ohaneze never collectively took up his course and addressed it. Instead he was abandoned to his fate. It is for this reason that I totally disagree with the view of Ogaranya Uju Nkwucha Afuleze linking ethnicity to divinity thus: “First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili, Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his politics notwithstanding” Perhaps I am the only one in this whole universe who knows that the activities of European Missionaries to Nigeria altered ethnicity and tribes in the country either due to their lack of understandings of these tribes or as a deliberate means of achieving their selfish aims and objects. And this act extends beyond the Nigerian confines. Much of the countries we today refer to as Arabs were never Arabs but were arabized, typical of these countries are Egypt , Syria , and Iran etc. If a true organization capable of articulating the answers, responses and solutions to the challenges confronting the Anioma ethnicity emerges, the question of whether Anioma are Igbo or not will become a thing of past. This will also take care of the lack of leadership problem challenging the region today as a second factor confronting Anioma. If Ohaneze, Arewa and Oodua exist in Igbo land, North part of the nation and among the Yoruba, why cannot Anioma people sit down and devise a forum for championing the course of the region instead of relying on the Ohaneze’s assistances which never comes anyway? The fate of Anioma people in the hands of Ijaw, Urhobo, Isoko and Itsekiri also need to be addressed. These our brothers in what is believed to be their own Delta State have arrogantly dominated us since the creation of State. While there is nothing to show in Anioma as part of Delta State , there is everything in these other areas to show they are the “core Deltans” At least warri is the unofficial and economic capital of the State while Oghara is the administrative capital. Chief Ibori made them so. This is purely because we are considered Delta Igbo in foreign lands. The Anioma people need to work harder towards the actualization of Anioma State , and only this will make our crisis of identity a thing of the past By Emeka Esogbue |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 9:40am On Mar 16, 2015 |
[url][/url] dafuturis: Yes your not igbo but this is what you are been written about and how people see you Ika North East Local Government Owa-Oyibu, a growing town near Agbor, is the headquarters of Ika North East LGA, and like their brothers in the south the people speak Ika, an Igbo dialect. The LGA was created in September 1991, occupies a land area of 28.45square kilometres and has a population of about 144,270 . There are nine clans, namely, Owa, Ute-Ogbeje, Ute-Okpu, Umunede, Idumuesah, Igbodo, Otolokpo and Mbiri spread out into fourteen (14) wards. Each of these clans operates as a separate and independent entity under its own traditional ruler. They are well known for their farming prowess producing yam, cassava, melon, maize, tomatoes and plantain. http://www.deltastate.com.ng/Local-Government/ika-north-east-local-government.html Ika South Local Government Agbor is the headquarters of Ika South LGA and is spread out on hills and a deep valley, the Orogodo valley. It has an area of 89 square kilometres and an estimated population of 155,922 people. The LGA comprises two clans divided into twelve wards, namely Agbor and Abavo, each with its own traditional ruler. The people speak Ika, a dialect of Igbo language and are well known for their farming prowess with the largest foodstuff market in the state. http://www.deltastate.com.ng/Local-Government/ika-south-local-government.html |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 9:45am On Mar 16, 2015 |
ka communities mostly comprise the following: Agbor, Owa, Umunede, Mbiri, Abavo, Orogodo, Otolokpo, Igbodo, Ute-Okpu, Ute-Ugbeje, Idumuesah, Akumazi, Ekpon (Edo State), Igbanke (Edo State), Inyelen Edo State). The Ika people are specifically located in the North-West of Delta State but some like Igbanke, Inyelen and Ekpon are presently located in Edo State. Other Ika communities found in Edo State are Owanikeke, Owa-Riuzo Idu and Igbogili. Specifically, Ika people occupy Ika North East and Ika South Local Government Areas of Delta State and a land area of about 117.45 square kilometres. Since the 2006 population census did not stipulate the official figure for ethnic groups, the total population figure of the Ika people remains officially unknown. The dialect of Ika people is Igboid group (Williamson, 1968). This according to him is because it has no noticeable difference from the general Igbo language spoken within the Anioma area only weak phonological and lexical difference separates it from the variety of dialects spoken within the Anioma confine. In actual fact, Ika dialect is a mixture of Igbo and Bini which evidently suggests it’s the influence of proximity with the Aniocha/Oshimili and Edo groups. This is also reflective in the names that the people bear. The whole of Ika communities speak Ika dialect while Igbodo speaks dual Ika and Enuani dialects. If we go by Williams’ hypothesis, then we will arrive at the postulation that Ika people speak Ika, a branch of Igbo language. The history of the name “Ika” shows that the term “Ika” has not always been particularized to the present Ika area and its people but has been generally used to loosely accommodate the entire people once referred to as “Western Ibos” by the British colonialists but now Anioma by natives (Forde and Jones, 1967). With time however, the name “Ika” became limited to the present Ika areas of Ika North East and Ika South and their people including Igbanke, Inyelen and Ekpon and the people’s dialect. What is said here is that although, we refer to this present group of people as Ika today, original documents of the early European missionaries once viewed the general Anioma people as “Ika”. These missionary writers later added the suffix “Ibo” to the name to make it sound “Ika-Ibo”. However, the reason for the retention or limiting of the name to the group already described above is unclear to historians. Only deep researches will ascertain it in due course. Be that as it may, the people of Ika have always maintained their independence of Bini or any other ethnic group in the country. http://thepointernewsonline.com/?p=15886 Sir, your historic narration of the origins of the Ika people are greatly flawed and vividly biased. For once, you NEVER mentioned Igbo as having any links with the Ika people even though most things in Ika land, from language and culture and names is purely Igbo. There's abundant evidence that the Ika is an offspring of the Igbo people and is originally Igboland, but were influenced by large inter-mixing with their Bini neighbours and other non-Igbo cultures and people. I wonder why this obssession with Bini never seems to embarass even the elites who should know better, but keep holding unto vague half-truths and no truths. http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=comment&article=207&page=2 rexbuton: |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by warrior01: 9:45am On Mar 16, 2015 |
rexbuton: Then you should have made it clear that you need some education on what you're not really well versed in. If Ikas are not Igbos, then who are they? Who are the original inhabitants of the area? Why is their language, customs etc in consonance with the Igbos? How is it possible for immigrants to change the tongue, names, customs etc and everything about their hosts? Like I said earlier, it still sounds so funny to hear some people try to deny who they are but I like Nigeria, when the chicken comes home to roast, the other tribes will remind you who you really are. Moreno, how many Ikas do you know that denied their igboness? 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 9:47am On Mar 16, 2015 |
IF ANIOMA IS NOT IN IGBO AGENDA WHY DO APEX IGBO ORGANIZATION HAVE ANIMA SONS LIKE UTOMI...ETS..IGBOS DONT HAVE ISSUES WITH ANIOMA...STOP DRAGGING ALL ANIOMA IN YOUR MADNESS. THIS IS ABOUT IKA NOT ANIOMA, YOU CREATED THE THREAD DRAGGED ME HERE NW YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD. ARE THIS CONFUSED rexbuton: |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 9:55am On Mar 16, 2015 |
tonychristopher:Mr. Utomi is what? A POLITICIAN... There is this famous saying about politicians and allegiances.. I thought you read the post you quoted, he was not even considered because his name did not seem Igboish.. Anyway that serves him right Secondly, You are getting it mixed up.. There is ANIOMA, ANIOCHA AND IKA.. The term Anioma means 'Good Land' in Igbo and is also an acronym derived from the four original local governments i.e. (A) for Aniocha, (N) for Ndokwa, (I) for Ika, (O) for Oshimili, M and A are common denominators found in the four original local governments. The coinage was made by the founding father, Chief Dennis Osadebay in 1951 and has since remained the preferred indigenous name by which the people collectively refer to themselves. Thus, A-N-I-O-M-A. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:00am On Mar 16, 2015 |
THIS IS NOT ANIOMA ISSUE BECAUSE MANY ANIOMA ARE NOT CONFUSED IN THEIR IGBO ORIGIN, THIS IS ABOUT IDENTITY COMPLEX OF IKA AND CONFUSION, SO STICK TO YOUR TOPIC AND REDUCE COPY AND PASTE MENTALITY YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME HOW IKA ENDED UP SPEAKING A DIALECT OF IGBO WITH IGBO MARKET DAYS rexbuton: |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:03am On Mar 16, 2015 |
rexbuton: YOU DO NOT NEED TO TELL ME THAT, I KNOW ANIOMA MORE THAN YOU, I LIVED IN WARRI MARRIED FROM IGBO SPEAKING PART OF DELTA ANSWER MY QUESTIONS PLS WHY IS IT OBI IN IKA NOT OVIE OR OBA WHY DO THEY SPEAK IGBO DIALECT AND NOT EDO DIALECT WHAT ARE THEIR MARKET DAYS WHAT ARE THE MEANING OF BASE WORDS IN IKA SUCH AS BOY, MAN, WOMAN, FOOD, HOUSE, ELDER ETC PLS ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS NEATLY AND DONT AVOID IT, IF WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THIS DISCUSSION |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 10:08am On Mar 16, 2015 |
tonychristopher:View from this angle.. The Igbos speak a dialect of Ika.. The Igbos have Ika market days.. The Igbos are now more than Ika so they claim originality.. how does that sound? They are not confused at all.. They bear Edo names as well as Igbo names so they are a hybrid of both areas, the Ika man bears Otabor, Ozakpolor, Uche, onyisi, Osazee, Nduka, Irabor, Okoro etc.. So stop forcing them to be who they aren't. If you really love them clamour for their state creation 3 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:11am On Mar 16, 2015 |
MY BROTHER, THIS THEIR BENIN CLAIM DEY MAKE ME DE SHAME...IT PLACES BENIN ON A SUPERNATURAL LEVEL, IS IT NOT THE SAME BENIN THAT BIAFRAN SOLDIERS DEFEATED WITHIN 24 HOURS AND THEIR OBA UT IN HOUSE ARREST...I DEY SHAME FOR THESE IKAS HE HAS BEEN CALLING MY NAMES SINCE AND I DELIBERATELY AVOIDED THIS THREAD....I JUST DEY SHAME internetpirate: |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:20am On Mar 16, 2015 |
rexbuton: YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION OGA.... YES LET US ASSUME AND STUPIDLY AGREE THAT THESE SO CALLED IKA ARE FROM BENIN...BUT HOW COME PEOPLE THAT IS FROM BENIN WHICH IS A STONE THROW AWAY LOST ALL THEIR LANGUAGE YET AFRIKAANS WHO ORIGINATED FROM DUTCH CONTINENTS APARTS MAINTAINED THEIR LANGAUGE, MAYBE AUSTRALIANS WHO MIGRATED FROM ENGLISH SHOULD LOOSE ENGLISH IT EITHER TELL ME THESE YOU ARE EITHER LYING ABOUT IKA ORIGIN THE IKA MUST BE DAFT TO LOOSE EVERY PART OF THEIR LANGUAGE TO IGBO OR IKA WERE COLONISED BY IGBO SO THE IGBOS MUST HAVE HEAVING BRAINWASHED THEM OR IKA MUST HAVE MIGRATED FROM BENIN BUT MET SOME ORIGINAL IGBO LAND OWNERS THAT ASSIMILATED THEM AND THEY CHANGED THEIR LANGUAGE. MIND YOU WE HAVE PURE BREDS IN IKA LAND AND NOT ALL THE IKA ARE SON OF BENIN EXILED FELONS IF I MAY USE THAT WORD. http://ndi-owa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:the-histories-of-owa-kingdom&catid=4:owa&Itemid=44 THE HISTORIES OF OWA KINGDOM The Origins of Owa Contrary to the observed tendency of situating origins in mythical past, the different versions on the origins of Ndiowa, in spite of their differences, seem to place them within historical dates and geographical space. Thus the proposed origins are not too distant from our present, thereby reflecting continuity from the past to the present. According to available records, both oral and written, Ndiowa are said to have had primordial relationships with Anambra and Edo States of Nigeria. These records, which are both verbal transcriptions of stories from our progenitors and written accounts of colonial officers, tend to indicate that the origin of the present day Owa could be put at about 12th century A.D. However, it may be necessary to bear in mind that, although this date has been proposed, yet there is room to state that the present land mass identified as Owa land had been inhabited by indigenous communities, constituting the earliest inhabitants of such places. Moreover, given the fluidity and population fluctuations due to successive waves of migration, prevalent within this period, it may not be easy to establish with accuracy the origins of the earliest indigenes of the settlements. There are essentially three versions concerning the origin of Ndiowa, especially with regards to the place of the origin of the founder of Owa dynasty, Odogwu. The first version and by far the most popular states that Ndi Owa are of Nri origin, i.e. from Awka in Anambra State. According to Onwuejeogwu (1970) and based on linguistic, archaeological and genealogical data, the migratory movement started at about 900 A.D. and continued till early 20th century. This migratory flow led to the establishment of towns and villages to the west of the Niger. But more importantly, immigrants from Nri, between the 12th and 13th centuries settled at Ute-Okpu under the leadership of Ijueh, who thus established the dynasty of rulers of Ute-Okpu. It was therefore from Ute-Okpu that Odogwu later established the Owa dynasty. The second version traced the descent of Ute-Okpu and Owa to Idu (Benin City) following the great migration that took place in Benin Empire during the reign of Oba Ogun who later became Eware. It was during this period that Ijueh and some people fled Bini kingdom and founded an abode at Ute-Okpu. Later, the assistance of this renowned warrior and powerful medicine man, Ijueh, was sought by Oba Eware to help the latter put down the Akure rebellion. The third version believes that some Igbo people crossed the river Niger and moved beyond the present day Agbor and Kwale and settled around these areas. Then came the Edo expansion eastward in the 16th century. It was during this period that Oba Esigie sent one of his war chiefs to the powerful warrior, Ijueh to assist him with soldiers to help fight the war against Idah. As can be observed from the different versions, there is a consensus to the fact that it was in answer to the Oba’s call that Ijueh’s first son, Odogwu, assembled some fighters and went to fight in both Akure and Idah wars. In this absence, his father passed on, and since the monarchy did not allow for any vacuum, Odogwu’s younger brother was crowned as the ruler of Ute-Okpu. On his return to Ute-Okpu, Odogwu was confronted with this reality. Naturally, he felt offended at the apparent injustice. But in order to avoid any from of confrontation and disunity within the family, Odogwu reconciled with Okpu, and subsequently left Ute-Okpu with the remnants of the retinue that accompanied him during the Benin expedition; his brother, Ozomor, and a host of other loyalists and subsequently founded Owa dynasty in Owa-Oyibu, at a place called “Ihu-Odogwu Oyibu”. Thus, he became the first monarch of Owa dynasty. His brother, Ozomor went further and settled at the present Owa-Alizomor, named after him. It should also be noted that, in moving to Owa, he took his father’s special medicine for expansion and established the ancestral deity of “Aajan” also at Owa-Oyibu. Thus “Aajan” connection constitutes an intrinsic link between Owa-Oyibu and Ute-Okpu till today. Furthermore, the brotherly love that existed between Ute-Okpu and Owa, being from the same ancestral father, is concretized in a pair of shorts called “uteh-le-owa", implying that they remain inseparable. On arrival in Owa land, Obi Odogwu had contacts with people of diverse origins for, generally Owa people came into this territory in different waves of migration, led by different leaders from different directions and at different times for different reasons. Indeed the founding of Owa settlements appears to have grown s a result of influx of immigrants from different parts of Nigeria, especially Edo, Delta as well as east of the Niger. Thus establishing Owa kingdom implied bringing under his rule, not only settlements existing before his arrival at Owa-Oyibu, but also all others which were in existence before they were brought under his authority as part of the present Owa kingdom. For instance, it has been observed that such villages as Owa-Ofie and Owa-Ekei were founded essentially by Bini and Ishan immigrants, and functioned as communities before the Odogwu dynasty came into existence. It is to the credit of Obi Odogwu that he succeeded in carrying out this unifying task of b ringing under his authority these disparate settlements. As a renowned military strategist, he used all sorts of antics: outright conquest, cajoling and al other diplomatic manoeuvres to accomplish this feat. Consequently, he was able to establish a united kingdom spanning a vast area stretching from Owa-Oyibu, Owa-Alizomor, Owa-Ofie, Owa-Nta, Owa-Ekei, Owa-Alero, and then Owa-Idumuesah. It was one thing to gather these disparate groups under the same roof, but another to keep them together under the same ruler considering the risks of resistance and outright revolt. But Odogwu put in place a good administration and appointed chiefs within the towns and villages with adequate authority and responsibilities. Thus, through this strategy and accepting the disparate nature of the various elements constituting Owa kingdom, Odogwu and his successors were able to guarantee the permanence of their power 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:27am On Mar 16, 2015 |
This is a big problem, so if fashola will tax igbos and laeve yorubas, sometimes the way the yoruba man reason is baffling...now dont you know that the people that bears the brunt of taxation are the consumers which is you and me. If Fashola raises the bar, the businesses raises the price and consumer pay higher...who gains? Secondly, igbos rae in lagos to dominate and expand their economic scpoe the way chinese are in lagos. Lagos is a winner takes it all, so wake up oh i forgot every yoruba man is a lagosian MayorofLagos: 2 Likes |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 10:28am On Mar 16, 2015 |
tonychristopher:1. FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL THE VASSAL STATES OF BENIN WERE TO KEEP THEIR TITLES OR PICK ANY THEY CHOOSE.. THERE IS ONLY ONE OBA.. BUT THEY ALWAYS GOT THEIR CEREMONIAL STAVES FROM BENIN. I have written on this earlier in this discourse 2. DO YOU SPEAK BENIN? HOW THEN CAN YOU CONCLUDE THAT THEY DO NOT SHARE BENIN WORDS TOO? I Cited examples some quarters in Agbor have exactly the same equivalent in benin.. The title of the Agbor war chief Ologbosere is the same as the benin war chief OLOGBOSERE.. There are other language similarities, also we must remember that language undergoes evolution.. The Igbo suffix for 'good' -mma is the same as the bini suffix for good -mma ... That is language for you 3. Market days are similar to Igbo market days and edo market days.. Eke, Orie (Olie/Oye), Afo (Aho/Ahwo), and Nkwo are igbo market days, Eken, Orie, Aho and Okuo are edo market days, so Mr. Tony you see? They are more similar than you think 4. I cant remember the Ika base words but i assure you that they are similar to edo and ibo 1 Like |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 10:33am On Mar 16, 2015 |
You may not use the word felon.. |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 10:34am On Mar 16, 2015 |
Why do you enjoy lies..This is why I will not believe whatever you say. I lived in benin also around Egor so i know these areas well. I dont think i can continue with this conversation. but I have to correct your lies The Bini people have four market days: Ekioba, Ekenaka, Agbado and Eken. Bye rexbuton: so you cant remember any of ika base words what do ika call man woman boy king market food land sky go come let us start with these...it will give us pointer to the origin of the people, we lack archeological evidences s lets use linguistic evidences |
Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by rexbuton: 10:36am On Mar 16, 2015 |
tonychristopher:You are not a bini man.. Get walk into the nearby Uselu market and ask any old lady, they would tell you the truth 2 Likes |
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