brocab:
Thanks bro-Yes I agree, but it wouldn't be the Catholic Church, you did say His Church, and His Church is the body of believers, that seek after Christ. Do you seek after Christ-all do you seek after your Church's traditions..
And once again, learning about God, is not, the same as coming to know God, visa versa. Anybody can call themselves Christian, and read the bible, and still shows no evidence they are saved, Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them, Many are called but few are chosen,what does this mean>it means not everyone that say's Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, those who do the will of the Father will be saved.
Are Catholic's born again? Or are they born into the Catholic Church, baptised as a infant, because of their own tradition they are saved by the Catholic Church.
What did Jesus teach, one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God."And what do you teach?
Do you study and learn the scriptures? Or are, you just a sounding symbol, that can't be heard' neither in Heaven, nor on Earth nor under the Earth, and while you believe by works you are saved into the Catholic Church. The real Christians are seeking the kingdom of God.
And how do we seek, we seek not by works alone but by faith, we seek the head of the Church in the presence of God.
But if you were to obey the commandments of God, and not obey your own traditions, you will have fellowship with the Father and He will have fellowship with you, but because you have chosen to walk in disobedience, How do you say, Hopefully you will study and learn about Christ and join His Church by the time He comes.. When I can say to you-God does not know you, nor do you know God..
Do you not understand, without God the Church becomes religious, how can you say" Christ is the head of your Church, when she disobeys the Spirit of God, is this not the works that comes out of the flesh, and in the flesh comes Satan.
Do you not understand, works alone does not save you, who can say they walk in the light, but hates his brother Martin Luther..
Trying to be Spiritual without the Spirit, is a sounding symbol full of dead man's bones, evil that flows through his vain's, sin-can only glorify itself, self righteousness is a dead man's tomb, don't you have any fear in God? "Beware of Judgement Day.
Cry out unto the Lord and repent!

brocab:
Thanks bro-and this is what I studied-While the "Roman Church" has been used to describe the pope's Diocese of Rome since the Fall of the Western Roman Empire and into the Early Middle Ages (6th-10th century), the "Roman Catholic Church" has been applied to the whole church in English language since the Protestant Reformation in the late 16th century.
So thank God, that the English language started with the Protestant Reformation-before that who could understand Latin?
Protestantism is popularly considered to have begun in Germany in 1517 when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by the Roman Catholic Church, which purported to offer remission of sin to their purchasers.
[9] However, the term derives from the letter of protestation from German Lutheran princes in 1529 against an edict of the Diet of Speyer condemning the teachings of Martin Luther as heretical. Only because the Catholic Church didn't want the world to know-the indulgence and their Purgatory traditions, was a lie from the beginning, Rome's greed wanted the money..
[10] Although there were earlier breaks and attempts to reform of the Roman Catholic Church — notably by Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe, and Jan Hus — only Luther succeeded in sparking a wider, lasting, and modern movement..
And all these men were murdered by the Catholic Church because God found faith in these men-to do what? They died believing in the Christ, spreading His gospel to all nations, so everybody that believes will know?
{1 John 5:20} "We now know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

9inches:


So why do you follow a heretic teaching of Luther? Why do you belong to the 1517 church?

9inches:

And there is only one Church instituted by Christ.

9inches:


Church is church. And there is only one Church instituted by Christ. I hope you find that Church and learn.

brocab:
I retrieved this from the sites you had given me, now you are asking me why I belong to Martin Luther's Church?
Have you not read the scriptures, God calls us into His kingdom, and no man have this authority to call, us into God's kingdom.
If you were to look at a bigger picture-if God didn't have faithful men such as these-everybody would have been trapped under the banner of the Catholic Church.

brocab:
What Church is instituted by Christ.

(Galatians 6:7-

9inches:


Type this your question,in exact same way, in google search and tell me what it says.

9inches:


Type this your question,in exact same way, in google search and tell me what it says.

9inches:


God does not support separation from His Body (His Church).

brocab:
How about this? Question: "Why are there so many religions? Do all religions lead to God?"

brocab:
'What Church is instituted by Christ.

9inches:


Did you search your question in google... what did you find?

brocab:
This is true, but Jesus quote who are my brothers, sisters and Mother, He said: those who do the will of My Father in Heaven, are My brothers sisters and Mother..What part of this verse do you not understand. Brothers in Christ preaching in one accord.
It wasn't planned, to separate the Church, but Jesus said: don't yoke together with the unbelievers. Meaning if you were to come to me, bringing with you another doctrine, not the doctrine I have already been taught, don't bond with you..
There are to many Churches claiming to know Christ, but there hearts deceive them, in your case to preach a doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God, if your Church had left the bible alone, and obeyed the commandments of God, without adding your traditions, Yes I could say, you are sitting on a Gold mine, but I can't say this, because you know your Church is focused on tradition-rather then you are focus on Jesus..
{2 Corinthians 6:14} Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
{2 John 1:10} If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.
A house of God can also be the Church of God..
{2 Corinthians 11:4} For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

brocab:
Did I not send you this>this is what I had found? to do with the Catholic Church- yes it is the oldest Church that claims to know Christ, but The Holy Spirit appeared at Pentecost, not in the Catholic Church ten days after the Ascension of Jesus, to the Apostles and disciples in the Upper Room, and inspired them to proclaim the faith (Acts 1:13-2:4) The Twelve Apostles at the Pentecost were Peter, Andrew, James and John, Matthew, Philip, Thomas, Nathaniel Bartholomew, James son of Alpheus, Jude Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot, and Matthias. There were about one hundred and twenty persons gathered together in the Upper Room. This community of disciples of Jesus was the beginning of our Church. Not the Catholic Church..
The oral tradition of the Apostles was established in the infancy period of the Church, from the time of Jesus to the written Gospels. During this period the Christian faith was transmitted by word of mouth, which was later written in the Word of God we now call it the bible. (Romans 10:14-15).

9inches:


You see, now you're coming closer to the truth, gradually. I encourage you to continue reading more.

1. https://chnetwork.org/
2. https://www.catholic.com/
3. https://www.youtube.com/user/catholiccom/videos
4. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVdGX3N-WIJ5nUvklBTNhAw/videos

9inches:


You're saying the Body of Christ is the Church of unbelievers?

brocab:
Since you believe I am coming closer then you should finish the next page..
And explain to me who taught you, the Church is the Catholic Church.

brocab:
Jesus quote was: who are my brothers, sisters and Mother, He said: those who do the will of My Father in Heaven, are My brothers sisters and Mother..What part of this verse do you not understand. Brothers in Christ preaching with one accord.

9inches:

Off point. Body of Christ as His Church is the main point here.

9inches:

Easy answer, history.

brocab:
And which body is God's Church?

9inches:


I don't understand your question. Do you mean God's temple?

brocab:
History also informs us, yes your Church is the long standing Church, but it isn't the Church Christ was preferring too.
They are only claims by men your Church is the body, they are only stories told by men claiming Peter is the author of your Church.

brocab:
It may sound "off point to you, but really" if people don't come together in one accord, they are divided..there is no division in Christ, Jesus said: these are My brother sister Mother those who do the will of God and believe-are His brothers sisters and Mother..
This is His Church, this is the body Christ preaches..
Christ didn't build a building made with hands of brick and mortar' that someday will dry up and die in it's sins, His Kingdom is not from this world, His kingdom lives within the hearts of men who have chosen to believe, these are His brothers sisters and Mother..

9inches:


You are absolutely right. There is no division in Christ, but Martin Luther and his followers do not think so. That's the big issue!

9inches:


You are making more progress. If it's not the Church Christ started and appointed Peter as its leader, which other church is?

Continue reading.

brocab:
You are doing it again, Martin Luther, tell me, what did Martin Luther do to you personally, that you yourself haven't done against another?

brocab:
I can see, where you are going with this, but bro, if you aren't walking in the Spirit-then you can only guess which Church Jesus is preferring too.
Churches made of brick and mortar, it doesn't matter which Church building stood the longest, what matters is Christ built His Church in the believers.
Churches can't save, nor can it take you to Heaven, and Churches are meeting places for Christians to fellowship in one accord, but without God in them, then the Church is just a building.
And to be honest If Christ Himself didn't start a Church in a building made of hands, then why would Peter build the Catholic Church, made of the same substance?
And if I was to look at this deeper, why then did the Catholic Church still continual in their paganism, If the Church belonged to Christ?
We need to look at the fruit, when you were saved-are you growing in Christ, or are you just a sounding symbol that follows the tradition of the Catholic Church..

9inches:


You seem to be talking about church building which is out of the point.

9inches:


I did not meet Martin Luther personally, so he did nothing to me. I'm only enlightening you on the doctrine you believe in.

brocab:
You can claim you have it all, but your verdict about the Catholic Church fell with great pride, like I had said:If you aren't walking in the Spirit-then you can only guess which Church Jesus is preferring too.
Churches made of brick and mortar, is the Catholic Church-it doesn't matter which Church building stood the longest, what matters is Christ built His Church in the believers.
Churches can't save, nor can it take you to Heaven, Pope Francis believes otherwise, and Churches are meeting places for Christians to fellowship in one accord, but without God in them, then the Church is just a building.
And to be honest, Christ Himself didn't start a Church in a building made of hands, then why would Peter build the Catholic Church, made of the same substance?
But it seems Catholic's such as yourself believe otherwise, and if I was to look at this deeper, why then did the Catholic Church still continual in their paganism, If the Church belonged to Christ?
We need to look at the fruit, when you were saved-are you growing in Christ, or are you just a sounding symbol that follows the tradition of the Catholic Church..You have said: it yourself, you believe Peter was the start of the Catholic Church, and why do you continual in this very same understanding if you believe the body is the people.
I was just completing the Church subject, you have began, How you honestly believed the Catholic Church belonged to Christ, and how you believed the Catholic Church is the body of Christ.
But now you have switched, your plead, {Praise the Lord} by the looks of this you have jumped on the right side of the fence in Christ.

brocab:
Please explain tell me what are the doctrines, I believe in? And if you haven't met Martin Luther personally, then maybe you should start looking at your own sins, before you judge another..We all stand in front of God, and everything you say, you will be judged upon.
You have read the stories of Martin Luther, and maybe you have judged wrongly, but what is your judgement "to God" Nothing-but what if, you knew Martin Luther was in heaven, what then? Did God judge him righteously?

9inches:


Christ made a strong promise to his Church, and it unconditional, meaning that it will never fail. And no gate of hell or temptation can come against it. His Church which is Body will never fail because His Word never fails.