christaddicted:
THE NIV WAHALA!

I have had to address privately questions bordering on the NIV and the name of Jesus. Some of the inquiries are through my inbox while others are direct.

I didn't consider it worth troubling myself about but since the faith of many is being rattled I'm obligated to talk. FIRST, let me say that I've used NIV all my life and find it very good. I also find it worrisome that those calling it names demand that it be torn or burnt. NEXT, let me say that the Bible does not warn only against removals from but also additions to the Bible. Having said that, the critics have not proven to us that the KJV with which they judge the other versions is not an addition to the word of God.

THIRD, the criticisms assume the KJV is the original bible. That is not so. The KJV like the NIV and other versions, is a translation from the original manuscripts which are in Hebrew, Greek and aramaic. To verify the accuracy of any version therefore will require comparison with the original manuscripts and not other versions. To do this one has to not only be versatile with the original languages but also the science of translation known as TEXTUAL CRITICISM.

I happen to be introduced to elementary knowledge of textual criticism while doing a masters degree in theology at the evangel theological seminary Jos. I can tell you that I've not yet found any reason to rate the NIV anything less than the best scholarly work on translation of the bible.

I know that ZONDERVAN is nothing but a printing press. It is not responsible for the translation of the Bible. It also has published many other sound Christian literature as well as many ungodly ones. NIV was a work done in 1964/65. From the claims of the critics Zondervan was bought over in 1998, 34yrs later. How can that nullify the accuracy of the NIV. AGAIN, I observed that all the "missing" texts are footnoted by the translators.

FINALLY, I have been around for sometime in this race. This is not the first time it's coming. it wont be the last. I think that this is an attack on the Bible. The devil does not want the Bible in the people's language. He fought it at the beginning killing Tyndale and co for translating the bible from the vulgate (the Latin version by Jerome) to English. NIV employed the principle of dynamic equivalent in translation which simplifies the language without losing the force of the truth as in the paraphrases. The KJV is the product of literal translation and is limited to the Masoretic texts of the Bible.

My take is own as versions as you can afford and use the one that best guarantees the understanding of the truths therein.

This is not exhaustive but I hope it can give you peace in these perilous times. God bless you all and keep you blameless until his coming day.

Bishop cnc

Gaidenk:

Your quran is a perverted version of the Bible,created from every pervertion from the Torah in the bible. You soon realize the deceit and the fact that the Catholic church has a hand in creating islam,That allah
is a persian idol and Mohammed was deceived by a demon when he thought he heard an angel.. Soon you will. Shallom.

sonofananimal1:
SO WHAT DID YOU WANT US TO DO
BY THE LOOK OF THINGS, YOU ARE NOT A STRONG CHRISTIAN BUT RATHER BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE INFRONT OF YOU OR THE OPINION OF A MAN.

WHY CANT YOU JUST DO A SOLID RESEARCH ABOUT IT. YOU CANT JUST BE A BABY CHRISTIAN FOREVER.


NOW WHAT YOU JUST DID, YOU CONFUSED ALOT OF PEOPLE, EVEN ALL THE BIBLE YOU SEE, THERE HAVE REMOVE ALOT SCRITPURE AND SO ON. HAVE YOU EVER ASK YOURSELF HOW THE BIBLE CAME ABOUT? WHAT SERIES OF SCROLL WAS COMBINE? I GUESS NOT.

NEXT TIME THINK BEFORE YOU DO SOME CERTAIN THINGS, AND START WORKING BY FAITH AND NOT BY MAN OPINION.

ideatoprince18:
.............ogbeni go n read Islamic history.

Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661) compiled a complete
version of the Quran shortly after
Muhammad's death. The order of this text
differed from that gathered later during
Uthman's era in that this version had been
collected in chronological order. Despite this,
he made no objection against the standardized
Quran and accepted the Quran in circulation.
Other personal copies of the Quran might have
existed including Ibn Mas'ud 's and Ubay ibn
Ka'b 's codex, none of which exist today.

menxer:


I think your analysis is faulty.
Was the father of Moses a prophet?
were the fathers of Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, etc Prophets?
That Joseph the father of Jesus was not a prophet does not mean Jesus Christ was not a prophet?

Going by your analysis of that scripture you quoted, we should have only "two" prophets.

mubarakopeyemi:


What you don't know is that the Quran, as it is today, is at it was hundreds of years ago.
All this your compilation story means nothing.

MEILYN:
My friend, don't make me say you lack understanding. Open your eyes and read, open your brain and understand. Isaac and Jacob is a linage, that verse wasn't talking about them alone but their descendants also. What the verse is saying is that Ismael and his descendants cannot be prophets of God. If you look at the Bible, you will notice that all the prophets from Genesis -Revelation were Israelites. God made the Israelites the preachers of His word. An Ismaelite cannot teach an Israelite the ways of the Lord. It is impossible. It should be the other way round.

Gaidenk:

Beelzebub won't fight against its own. The quran is a pervertion,why would satan bother to change it? The Words in The Bible is truth,so satan will fight it,try to pervert it. What does he stand to gain to try and change the words of the quran? Mohammed didn't hear an angel,he heard an evil spirit and its written in your quran
Narrated Jundub bin Sufyan:
Once Allah's Apostle became sick and could not
offer his night prayer (Tahajjud) for two or three
nights. Then a lady (the wife of Abu Lahab) came
and said, "O Muhammad! I think that your
Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen
him with you for two or three nights!" On that
Allah revealed: 'By the fore-noon, and by the
night when it darkens, your Lord (O Muhammad)
has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.' (93.1-3)
( Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number
475)

Crocz:

Bros why u dey vex na?...every book always go through criticism and scrutiny...we all owe it to humanity to establish the authenticity of any Book. So you mean everybody should just sail on in blind faith when clearly the Bible, The Word of God, has been doctored?

MEILYN:

I agree that the bible has errors but I totally disagree that the quran is a correction to the Bible. You are highly mistaken. The quran was made up to contend with the Holy Bible. Mohammed had no right to become a prophet. His lineage was never given that blessing.

Rilwayne001:


You agreed that the bible has errors, so what gave you the rationale that his lineage was never given blessing?

MEILYN:
My friend, don't make me say you lack understanding. Open your eyes and read, open your brain and understand. Isaac and Jacob is a linage, that verse wasn't talking about them alone but their descendants also. What the verse is saying is that Ismael and his descendants cannot be prophets of God. If you look at the Bible, you will notice that all the prophets from Genesis -Revelation were Israelites. God made the Israelites the preachers of His word. An Ismaelite cannot teach an Israelite the ways of the Lord. It is impossible. It should be the other way round.

“And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob as an additional gift; and We made all of them righteous persons; We made them also leaders, that they might guide others by Our command.
And We inspired them to do good works, the observance of prayer, and the giving of alms; and they served Us.” (Al Anbia 21:69, 70)


This is from the so called quran....

ideatoprince18:
...........if you can tell me d name of all d whole people that crammed d Quran off heart during d time of Mohammad then I will tell u who wrote d Pentateuch

For ur info I don't know wat Mohammad made u believe buh there is a clear distinction between a prophet n a king!!!! David was never a prophet.

...I can list some of d prophets of old who backed dis claim wit miracles from God.....Adam is not a prophet also....Moses was a prophet...Elijah n Elisha was a prophet.... so bro go thru d bible n understand simple English instead of depending on messenger Mohammad!!!!!

ideatoprince18:
...........bro do you know ur Quran is not COMPLETE....... during compilation hundreds of jihadi fighters who had d Quran by heart died...... so they had to collect d ones that are alive n compile it.....what happens to dose ones dt died........I don't think u understand wah am saying

mubarakopeyemi:


God bless u

menxer:


...Come let us reason together...

lets assume the gift of prophesy follows strict genealogy, Are you saying the children and of Ishmael and Isaac did not intermarry ever?
If a woman that descended from the lineage of prophets gets married to a descendant of Ishmael, would that child be denied the prophetic trait?

ideatoprince18:
........sorry I taught u were highly educated....OK I will break it down for you.....we all know Mohammad performed no miracle a and DAT doubt his authenticity as a prophet..... why should I believe him

doofanc:


Many Christians have a very, very hard time accepting this. I think it has to do with wrongly applying Biblical references that point to its inerrancy (2tim3:16). I do believe the original divinely inspired manuscripts were without error to the last dotted 'i' or crossed 't'. Those manuscripts are unfortunately no longer available. Like you rightly observed, what we have are translations made by fallible humans. They may contain errors.

I think the danger of hanging fastidiously to every single word in our translated Bibles as inerrant is that once the atheists are able to point out apparent irreconcilable inconsistencies (most likely brought about by translational errors), the faith is seriously shaken, sometimes irredeemably. Many previously great scholars (e.g. Bart Erhman) fall into this group.

On this board you see numerous "gotcha" threads by atheists (MizJanet etal) or even muslims claiming to have come across such inconsistencies. And yes, in some cases Christians do have a hard time explaining some of them. As William Craig put it, yeah there are some minor errors, so what?? Do any the undermine the central message of the scriptures, which is Christ? Definitely not. The Bible still remains and will be God's gift to man.

Lastly those claiming KJV as the only 'authentic' translation obviously haven't taken time to research its history. I personally use many translations for my study, which I can always compare, and of course asking the Holy Spirit for guidance.

BTW what the name of that app you're using?

Lordave:
well, very few people take the bible serious.


But before you move this topic to front page, ensure you do the same to the original thread so that the original OP won't feel cheated.

haftob:
If u read the original bible transcripts written in Aramyc,u'll become a muslim. But it's nt easy to come across these transcripts as they are stocked in the vatican library and nt available to just anybody as it's very confidential because of the contents.

ideatoprince18:
...........bro do you know ur Quran is not COMPLETE....... during compilation hundreds of jihadi fighters who had d Quran by heart died...... so they had to collect d ones that are alive n compile it.....what happens to dose ones dt died........I don't think u understand wah am saying

mubarakopeyemi:


Lmaoo. I don't debate with people like you. You know so little.
Please go deep in your research next time.

One love.

MEILYN:
See this guy ooo. I quoted from your quran. The Bible and the quran agree to that fact. He was given blessings but na ordinary blessings them give am. If I quote from the Bible you won't believe me, so I took time to quote from your quran.

mubarakopeyemi:


Go back to school and learn comprehension
The wife of Abu Lahab is a stern enemy of the prophet. She set road traps serveral times for the holy prophet and made him suffer.
Your sense of justifying the words of the wife of Abu lahab to meaning Satan is the lord of muhammad shows how u lack reasoning. She saying that is just as mockery of the prophet. So then Allah revealed to muhammed that he is with him so as to calm his mind from the slander of the Wife of Abu lahab. And mind you Quran 111 is there for u to know the stance of Abu Lahab and his wife.

Go to Quran 111 Surah al masad verses 1-5

1. Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab (an uncle of
the Prophet), and perish he!
2. His wealth and his children (etc.) will not
benefit him!
3. He will be burnt in a Fire of blazing flames!
4. And his wife too, who carries wood (thorns of
Sadan which she used to put on the way of the
Prophet, or use to slander him).
5. In her neck is a twisted rope of Masad (palm
fibre).

Go and make your research about the deeds of Abu lahab and his wife to the prophet. They were strong haters of the prophet.

Did you see what dat fvcker did He changed everything, from lahab wife to prop(pbuh). There's no way for all this unbelievers except by Allah's mercy.
Suratul baqarah- Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering. and for them is a terrible punishment.


So try again.

sportsmaster:
KJV is still the most consistent Translation.

mubarakopeyemi:


Go back to school and learn comprehension
The wife of Abu Lahab is a stern enemy of the prophet. She set road traps serveral times for the holy prophet and made him suffer.
Your sense of justifying the words of the wife of Abu lahab to meaning Satan is the lord of muhammad shows how u lack reasoning. She saying that is just as mockery of the prophet. So then Allah revealed to muhammed that he is with him so as to calm his mind from the slander of the Wife of Abu lahab. And mind you Quran 111 is there for u to know the stance of Abu Lahab and his wife.

Go to Quran 111 Surah al masad verses 1-5

1. Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab (an uncle of
the Prophet), and perish he!
2. His wealth and his children (etc.) will not
benefit him!
3. He will be burnt in a Fire of blazing flames!
4. And his wife too, who carries wood (thorns of
Sadan which she used to put on the way of the
Prophet, or use to slander him).
5. In her neck is a twisted rope of Masad (palm
fibre).

Go and make your research about the deeds of Abu lahab and his wife to the prophet. They were strong haters of the prophet.

So try again.