Rilwayne001:
THE BIBLE HAS PROBLEM AS A WHOLE AND NOT JUST THE NIV.

RIGHT FROM THE BOOK OF GENESIS TO REVELATIONS, THE PROBLEMS ARE OBVIOUS.


HERE IS AN EXAMPLE

1 John 5:7

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in
heaven, the Father, the Word, and the
Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

Which is correct from the above?

http://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm

Christians won't see this untill they read the bible on their own

shomutuski:


Did you see what dat fvcker did He changed everything, from lahab wife to prop(pbuh). There's no way for all this unbelievers except by Allah's mercy.
Suratul baqarah- Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering. and for them is a terrible punishment.

Rilwayne001:


"And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations : (The Noble Quran, 6:86) "

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis 17:20-21)

Kosemanism:
Hmm, mention any version, no bible is a "complete" word of God. The only complete word of God is Qur'an. No version, no alteration. Take it/leave it.

folafola:

The devil is at it again and the battle cannot be won by the devil. Aleluya. I stand to be corrected quran is NEVER word directly from Allah read sura 1 verse 5 ''you alone we worship you alone we adore" is that from allah or mohammed and many more errors in the quoran i can show you many if you desire.
bible meant book and no one ever said it is a direct word from God!! unlike QURAN it is the compilations of written words inspired by men of old they wrote as they were moved, NIV, KJV,RSV were compiled as they found the manuscripts (WE CAN COMPARE THE MANUSCRIPTS BECASUE THE PEOPLE DO NOT BURN THEM OFF UNLIKE QURAN WHOSE OTHER MANUSCRIPTS WERE BURNT OFF BY UTHMAN THE THIRD CALIPH FROM MOHAMMED)and the people were so sincere gathering to manuscripts as they found them. Why do we have the bible? 2thimoty 3:16 for doctrine, reproof, edification, advice, and if this has been done while you read the scripture be happy, becasue the lord has helped the people of old to write them down as lesson for we that are in the END TIME.

MEILYN:
where did the verse mention that Ismael would be given the gift of prophecy? I will make him fruitful, multiply him, shall beget princess, shall be a great nation. Those were the blessings that Ismael was given. So how did mohammed become a prophet?

Those names you mentioned were clearly written in the Bible except for your mohammed. Those guys you mentioned were descendants of Israel in one way or the other except from your mohammed. Can't you see mohammed is the odd one among those men? Great nation doesn't make you a prophet, okay?

frosbel:


And so that makes the KJV bible the only authentic version ?? Because Lord, King Adeboye uses it ?

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Isn't it strange that Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Pastor Kumuiyi, Pastor E. A. Adeboye etc still uses the NIV in their devotionals? We can't claim they were ignorant of the fact some texts were missing (used in footnotes)

mubarakopeyemi:


You saying that Muhammad performed no miracle shows how low you level of research is


Christians often ask what miracles the prophet
Muhammad performed; many of u even make the
claim that the Quran and the hadiths record no
miracles done by the prophet. However so, it seems
that I am reading a different Quran and hadith then,
because you would have to be blind, or a big liar to
claim that there are no recorded miracles of the
prophet found in Islamic sources.

The Traditions mentioned below are all from Sahih
al-Bukhari, the most authentic collection of ahadith

1- Splitting of the Moon
"The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been
cleft asunder" [Qur'an 54:1]

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 388:
Narrated Abdullah:
The moon was cleft asunder while we were in the
company of the Prophet, and it became two parts.
The Prophet said, Witness, witness (this miracle)."

2- Food Multiplication

Sahih Bukahri: Volume 4, Book 56, Number 780:
Narrated Jabir:
My father had died in debt. So I came to the Prophet and said, "My father (died) leaving unpaid debts, and I have nothing except the yield of his date palms; and their yield for many years will not cover his debts. So please come with me, so that the creditors may not misbehave with me." The Prophet went round one of the heaps of dates and invoked (Allah), and then did the same with another heap and sat on it and said, "Measure (for them)." He paid them their rights and what remained was as much as had been paid to them.

3- Water Multiplication
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 779:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings,
but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Apostle on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water
remaining with you." The people brought a utensil
containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Apostle , and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him).

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 777:
Narrated Al-Bara:
We were one-thousand-and-four-hundred persons
on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty), and (at) Al-
Hudaibiya (there) was a well. We drew out its water
not leaving even a single drop. The Prophet sat at
the edge of the well and asked for some water with
which he rinsed his mouth and then he threw it out
into the well. We stayed for a short while and then
drew water from the well and quenched our thirst,
and even our riding animals drank water to their
satisfaction.

4- Supplication for Rain
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 115:
Narrated Anas:
A man came to the Prophet on a Friday while he (the Prophet) was delivering a sermon at Medina, and said, "There is lack of rain, so please invoke your Lord to bless us with the rain." The Prophet looked at the sky when no cloud could be detected. Then he invoked Allah for rain. Clouds started gathering together and it rained till the Medina valleys started flowing with water. It continued raining till the next Friday. Then that man (or some other man) stood up while the Prophet was delivering the Friday sermon, and said, "We are drowned; Please invoke your Lord to withhold it (rain) from us" The Prophet smiled and said twice or thrice, "O Allah! Please let it rain round about us and not upon us." The clouds started dispersing over Medina to the right and to the left, and it rained round about Medina and not upon Medina. Allah showed them (the people) the miracle of His Prophet and His response to his invocation.

5- Lights to guide Companions
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 454:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Two of the companions of the Prophet departed
from him on a dark night and were led by two lights
like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a
miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when
they parted, each of them was accompanied by one
of these lights till he reached their (respective)
houses.

6- Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 783:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
The Prophet used to deliver his sermons while
standing beside a trunk of a datepalm. When he had
the pulpit made, he used it instead. The trunk
started crying and the Prophet went to it, rubbing
his hand over it (to stop its crying).

8- The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic:
Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 228:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
Regarding the Statement of Allah"
"And We granted the vision (Ascension to the
heavens) which We made you see (as an actual eye
witness) was only made as a trial for the people." (17.60)

Ibn Abbas added: The sights which Allah's Apostle
was shown on the Night Journey when he was taken
to Bait-ul Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) were actual sights,
(not dreams). And the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in
the Quran is the tree of Zaqqum (itself) .
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 462:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The Prophet said, "On the night of my Ascent to the
Heaven, I saw Moses who was a tall brown curly-
haired man as if he was one of the men of Shan'awa
tribe, and I saw Jesus, a man of medium height and
moderate complexion inclined to the red and white
colors and of lank hair. I also saw Malik, the gate-
keeper of the (Hell) Fire and Ad-Dajjal amongst the
signs which Allah showed me." (The Prophet then
recited the Holy Verse): "So be not you in doubt of
meeting him' when you met Moses during the night
of Mi'raj over the heavens" (32.23)
Narrated Anas and Abu Bakra: "The Prophet said,
"The angels will guard Medina from Ad-Dajjal (who
will not be able to enter the city of Medina)."

A fellow human needs enlightenment.
Try again.

EverestdeBliu:
Simple, just 3steps...

Rilwayne001:


Here, see what jesus told the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matthew 21:43)

P.S: I don't believe the bible. But what have you got to say on the above verse?

ideatoprince18:
.....clearly its either u are lying or Mohammad is lying......

...... Well, when the people of Arabia were
confronted by Mohammed and this new religion,
Islam, they asked him to do a miracle, so they
could believe in him. And in the Koran, again and
again it says, "I cannot perform any miracle." So
if anyone would say that Mohammed performed
any miracle, this is against the Koran.

mubarakopeyemi:


You saying that Muhammad performed no miracle shows how low you level of research is


Christians often ask what miracles the prophet
Muhammad performed; many of u even make the
claim that the Quran and the hadiths record no
miracles done by the prophet. However so, it seems
that I am reading a different Quran and hadith then,
because you would have to be blind, or a big liar to
claim that there are no recorded miracles of the
prophet found in Islamic sources.

The Traditions mentioned below are all from Sahih
al-Bukhari, the most authentic collection of ahadith

1- Splitting of the Moon
"The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been
cleft asunder" [Qur'an 54:1]

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 388:
Narrated Abdullah:
The moon was cleft asunder while we were in the
company of the Prophet, and it became two parts.
The Prophet said, Witness, witness (this miracle)."

2- Food Multiplication

Sahih Bukahri: Volume 4, Book 56, Number 780:
Narrated Jabir:
My father had died in debt. So I came to the Prophet and said, "My father (died) leaving unpaid debts, and I have nothing except the yield of his date palms; and their yield for many years will not cover his debts. So please come with me, so that the creditors may not misbehave with me." The Prophet went round one of the heaps of dates and invoked (Allah), and then did the same with another heap and sat on it and said, "Measure (for them)." He paid them their rights and what remained was as much as had been paid to them.

3- Water Multiplication
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 779:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
We used to consider miracles as Allah's Blessings,
but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah's Apostle on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, "Bring the water
remaining with you." The people brought a utensil
containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, "Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah." I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah's Apostle , and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him).

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 777:
Narrated Al-Bara:
We were one-thousand-and-four-hundred persons
on the day of Al-Hudaibiya (Treaty), and (at) Al-
Hudaibiya (there) was a well. We drew out its water
not leaving even a single drop. The Prophet sat at
the edge of the well and asked for some water with
which he rinsed his mouth and then he threw it out
into the well. We stayed for a short while and then
drew water from the well and quenched our thirst,
and even our riding animals drank water to their
satisfaction.

4- Supplication for Rain
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 115:
Narrated Anas:
A man came to the Prophet on a Friday while he (the Prophet) was delivering a sermon at Medina, and said, "There is lack of rain, so please invoke your Lord to bless us with the rain." The Prophet looked at the sky when no cloud could be detected. Then he invoked Allah for rain. Clouds started gathering together and it rained till the Medina valleys started flowing with water. It continued raining till the next Friday. Then that man (or some other man) stood up while the Prophet was delivering the Friday sermon, and said, "We are drowned; Please invoke your Lord to withhold it (rain) from us" The Prophet smiled and said twice or thrice, "O Allah! Please let it rain round about us and not upon us." The clouds started dispersing over Medina to the right and to the left, and it rained round about Medina and not upon Medina. Allah showed them (the people) the miracle of His Prophet and His response to his invocation.

5- Lights to guide Companions
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 454:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Two of the companions of the Prophet departed
from him on a dark night and were led by two lights
like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a
miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when
they parted, each of them was accompanied by one
of these lights till he reached their (respective)
houses.

6- Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 783:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
The Prophet used to deliver his sermons while
standing beside a trunk of a datepalm. When he had
the pulpit made, he used it instead. The trunk
started crying and the Prophet went to it, rubbing
his hand over it (to stop its crying).

8- The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem (Arabic:
Israa) and Ascent to the Heavens (Arabic: Miraj)
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 228:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
Regarding the Statement of Allah"
"And We granted the vision (Ascension to the
heavens) which We made you see (as an actual eye
witness) was only made as a trial for the people." (17.60)

Ibn Abbas added: The sights which Allah's Apostle
was shown on the Night Journey when he was taken
to Bait-ul Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) were actual sights,
(not dreams). And the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in
the Quran is the tree of Zaqqum (itself) .
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 462:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The Prophet said, "On the night of my Ascent to the
Heaven, I saw Moses who was a tall brown curly-
haired man as if he was one of the men of Shan'awa
tribe, and I saw Jesus, a man of medium height and
moderate complexion inclined to the red and white
colors and of lank hair. I also saw Malik, the gate-
keeper of the (Hell) Fire and Ad-Dajjal amongst the
signs which Allah showed me." (The Prophet then
recited the Holy Verse): "So be not you in doubt of
meeting him' when you met Moses during the night
of Mi'raj over the heavens" (32.23)
Narrated Anas and Abu Bakra: "The Prophet said,
"The angels will guard Medina from Ad-Dajjal (who
will not be able to enter the city of Medina)."

A fellow human needs enlightenment.
Try again.

MEILYN:
No matter what I tell you about this verse, I am not sure you will change your mindset towards it. You cannot understand the Bible since you don't believe in it. Do well to read the whole chapter, it will enlighten you on what led to that statement.

I am laughing right now. According to your interpretation, that verse simple means the kingdom of God would be taken from the Israelites and handed over to the Ismaelites? Think again sir....

Tallesty1:
I stopped reading it the moment I noticed the changes.

mubarakopeyemi:


This dullard too wants to try to make sense
But he doesn't even know how to comprehend
Lol.
Go back to school

mubarakopeyemi:


I can now conclude
That you are deluded.
Come with the verse where he said that in the Quran and let me teach you how things work

mubarakopeyemi:


I can now conclude
That you are deluded.
Come with the verse where he said that in the Quran and let me teach you how things work

MEILYN:
I have answers to all your questions. The father is the seed. Although intermarriage was a crime in the old testament. The Bible says the father makes the lineage, a woman cannot determine the lineage of a child.

Numbers 1vs 11

And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.


You can read that verse to verse 19 to understand better.

Oga if an Israelite woman marries an Ismaelite man, then the child cannot be a prophet because the child is an Ismaelite. Is that too hard to understand?

ideatoprince18:
.........hop am not arguing wit a re.traded slowpoke here



.......... You know, you go to the
Quran, in surat Al Ankabout, that is surat number
29, and read verse 50. What do we read there?
"And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send
down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?" Says,
"Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah,
and I am only a plain warner." So in very plain
words, Mohammed said, "I am not a miracle
worker."

ustavo:

Muhammad is not a miracle worker just like no other prophet is(jesus) But d supreme being is d ultimate miracle worker.
The miracle would not have increased dem in faith at dat time but only mislead dem because even d isolators perform "miracles".

menxer:


I never said the child would be a prophet in Israel, but that such child could carry the "prophetic trait" and if so, definitely exhibit the prophetic gifts where ever s/he is.

Oga, it does not always follow, whose pedigree is Melchizedek?
My point is, God and his working is beyond any man.
lets not confuse the manipulation that happened in the house of Abraham to mean all there is to God.
"WE" all may not be of the lineage of Abraham, but "WE" all are GOD's children.

ustavo:

Muhammad is not a miracle worker just like no other prophet is(jesus) But d supreme being is d ultimate miracle worker.
The miracle would not have increased dem in faith at dat time but only mislead dem because even d idolators perform "miracles".

Ishilove:
I came across this thread that left me alarmed and sweating because the NIV is my favourite translation and it is what i read 95% of the time:

https://www.nairaland.com/2442956/absolutely-shocking-all-christians-must

I was alarmed, especially when I cross-checked my own copy of the NIV bible and discovered it was true. But then, another Nairalander countered the above with this:


https://www.nairaland.com/2430755/disregard-all-messages-social-media#35732940

I was relieved, and a bit confused. This comment by another Nairalander on the same thread added to the befuddlement:


https://www.nairaland.com/2430755/disregard-all-messages-social-media#35740192

Now, with all these arguments and counter-arguments, I am wondering what to believe. I however wonder why anything should be omitted from the bible.

Let's discuss.

MrPresident1:


Ishi, there is no relief yet, we have been shouting about the authenticity of latter day Bible translations and the motives for their production and circulation for a while now, hopefully a few more people will do their own research and get to their own conclusions, everyone will not see it yet, but blessed is the one who is able to make the connection, because it is the first step out of slavery.

The NIV Bible is heavily doctored and compromised, is it when they publish the gay Bible that my people will wake up from their slumber? It may just be too late by then.

The Bible is written in figurative language; deep allegories, metaphors, etc. It was never meant to be literal, or literal interpretations are the very first steps, remember Paul warned about the dichotomy of milk and milk and the Proverbs tell us about understanding the dark sayings of old.

The NIV compromised Bible in its fake and dubious attempt to make the Bible literal (purportedltyto make it easier to understand) has heavily doctored and watered the Holy Scriptures to suit an evil agenda, this is a very serious attempt to hide the truth of God's nature, and it is a direct attack against God.

See how the KJV and NIV renders this verse:

Isaiah 45:1 KJV
Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

Isaiah 45:1-7New International Version (NIV)
[b]45 “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:
[/b]
Look at how KJV renders the verse, pay close attention I know you are very good with English, you will realise that 'loosening the loins of kings, and opening the two leaved gates' is figurative language for the effect of fear that now causes one to lose control over ones bowels. God is telling Cyrus that He will put Cyrus' fear in the nations he would subdue.

Now compare with the rubbish NIV has interpreted. This is one of many.

Daniel told us that the wise will understand.

Stevosty:
Well, according to the Quran
Mohammed did not perform any
miracles. You know, you go to the
Quran, in surat Al Ankabout, that is
surat number 29, and read verse
50. What do we read there? "And
they say, why are not signs,
miracles, send down to him, to
Mohammed, from his lord?" Says,
"Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only
with Allah, and I am only a plain
warner." So in very plain words,
Mohammed said, "I am not a
miracle worker." But miracles is to
authenticate the prophethood of
any true prophet.

GrammarNazi:
Most Christians ignorantly & erroneously believe that the bible is a perfect book. I hate to tell you this, but it's not true. The Bible, as we have it today, was compiled by MEN (not necessarily for the altruistic reasons you think, but that's another story altogether) from books and letters written by MEN (maybe or maybe not under divine inspiration).

The bible as we have it today, is host to many errors and inconsistencies. That doesn't mean it is not a holy book, inspired by God. We just need to know when to draw the line, when interpreting verses and stories from the bible.

There are translational errors in virtually all versions of the bible we have today, ESPECIALLY The King James Version, which most people erroneously believe to be Sacrosanct. Later versions of the bible have attempted to correct some of these errors. The New International Version (NIV) is not the only version that attempts this. Lemme use the example of 1 John 5:7-9 that someone quoted earlier. See how the KJV and other versions quoted the same verses.

Moral Lesson: God is NOT the author of confusion, but anything that passes through human hands, cannot be perfect!!!

MEILYN:
I have been debating with an unreasonable person all this while. You never quoted a verse but you believe you are right and the Bible is wrong. I never argue with your likes. We are talking about Bible happenings and you are here saying nonsense. Mohammed couldn't have been a prophet because he is not from Israel. As far as the Bible is concerned, the Israelites were the only ones blessed with the gift of prophecy. I am talking about the Bible here and not what you think. Was it not the Israelites that taught you this Bible you have today? Think again son. The only prophet who wasn't an Israelite was mohammed. I wonder how your brain can cope with that....