Okay. Ohafia then, though to me Aro, Ohafia, Abiriba, etc. seem to kind of line up together.

Oh ok, Makes sense

Okay, I was looking for the break down of the words. I'll take the advise and check the words out with Aro and Afikpo people (I don't know when that will be).

Cherekwa,is it remotely possible that Kalu/Kanu is coined out from "Kamalu"?

Why the kalu and kanu versions?

I just found out that Kalu, Kamalu, Kanu, and Akanu is the same name.

I think the difference between Kanu/Kalu is just a matter of dialectal preference.

There are many other names like this such as:

Anicho/Alicho
Uloma/Unoma
Okoro/Okolo

I suspect that the "l" originated from southern Igboland while the "n" originates from northern and western Igboland. For example Wawa people say "Enugwu" where as my people would say "Elugwu". Ukwuani people say "Anioma" whereas my people would say "Alioma".

From what I've seen, Kamalu is more prominent in old Bende zone. Ngwa say Kamanu. Both are the same name. Children named after the god are called Kalu/Kanu.

odumchi:

I suspect that the "l" originated from southern Igboland while the "n" originates from northern and western Igboland. For example Wawa people say "Enugwu" where as my people would say "Elugwu". Ukwuani people say "Anioma" whereas my people would say "Alioma".

Naturally, we would think that, but it actually isn't the case. Southern Igbo and eastern Ijo pronounce "Kamanu". The "Kamalu" pronunciation seems more prominent or more established in eastern Igbo area (the Cross Rivers Igbo).

@Odumchi,you got that but what about within same town?what explanation wud you give for the L/N variants?

Arochukwu uses both

odumchi:

I suspect that the "l" originated from southern Igboland while the "n" originates from northern and western Igboland. For example Wawa people say "Enugwu" where as my people would say "Elugwu". Ukwuani people say "Anioma" whereas my people would say "Alioma".

Most Igbo words in the west are Nri-Oka, actually, the 'Westerners' speak something like an Oka dialect with Bini, and maybe Ishan and Igala influence, but sometimes Ika can sound like Igbo spoken in Abia state.

ifyalways:

@Odumchi,you got that but what about within same town?what explanation wud you give for the L/N variants?

Arochukwu uses both

Maybe it's modern influence? Or maybe some people prefer one over the other, like a place which uses Ihe for thing may use Ife like Ifeanyi for a name.

Okay, so the only thing I can guess for Kamalu is that the lụ is fighting, which is why it is also nụ in other places. I thought about it being Ka ma a lụ, as in perseverance, but that would be ka na a lụ, isn't it? Or is it kam a lụ, [N]ka ma a lụ, or kam mma à lụ. Confusion! i've seen a suggestion that kamalu are actually two names, Kalu Akanu.

ifyalways:

@Odumchi,you got that but what about within same town?what explanation wud you give for the L/N variants?

Arochukwu uses both

Yes people in Arochukwu use both "l" and "n" for certain words such as "ekene"  and a few other words. However it is restricted. We don't say Ani (land) or uno (house). For the vast  majority of words we substitue "n" for "l".

Not so sure about that lu/nu fighting theory. Like I pointed out earlier, southern Igbo pronounce "Kamanu". If we took the lu/nu theory seriously, then the southern groups would then have to pronounce it as "Kamalu" since they use "lu" variant for fighting, rather than "nu". Another thing to consider is that outside of the southern/eastern cultural areas, Kamalu/Kamanu is not a known name/word. In other words, the people who use "nu" for fighting know nothing about Kamanu. So we can't even begin to make a lu/nu connection, in my opinion.

Even if the lu/nu is not 'fight', there will still be a problem explaining why the southern and eastern dialects are using nu instead of lu. In some dialects, the l and n are not strict for every word used, for example some may use na and la for 'in', depending on which is the most convenient in the moment.

The only explanation I can think of, for this lu/nu discrepancy is that "Kamanu" is a borrowed name/word, borrowed from Cross Rivers Igbo (which is the actual truth). It is very likely that the lu/nu discrepancy is just a matter of speech corruption, which is a typical phenomenon of borrowed words.

Then lu/nu could bu fighting then.

How could it be fighting when southerners don't use "nu" for fighting?

Because you said it's a corruption.

I said corruption because "Kamanu" is a borrowed word/name and not a cognate. The lu/nu connection makes sense only for cognates.

But that would mean that the communities that borrowed the word had no idea what the word Kamalu means, unless it's not made up of different words. The lu and nu in Kamalu/Kamanu or Kalu/Kanu are both used by the southern communities.

Yes. If you ask for the meaning (particularly if you ask southerners) no one can give you answer, but they can say what it refers to, being the god of thunder, which we originally know by another name. As for the use of both lu/nu variants, maybe. It might be possible, but I've yet to see or hear an Ngwa, Asa, Echee, Ndoki, Ikwere, etc. write or pronounce "Kamalu".

Anyway, the lu/nu could mean anything, it could even be part of a larger word. My guess was just lụ because of the context, the way the word is pronounced, and the fact that I can't think of any other lụ word that changes the l/n except maybe for marry.

Yeah. I actually used to wonder the same thing about Kamanu/Kamalu [the significance of lu/nu] too some years back. Now though, I think it actually has no significance other than just corruption; evidence of borrowing.

Ezeagu, If I may ask, eye k' iza na ali Igbo?

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I know that clock in Igbo Is "Elekere", but does the actual word for clock in our individual dialects differ?

For example, in my place we say "ataang" for clock. So I'm hoping someone would give me a few examples of what other towns use.

odumchi:

I know that clock in Igbo Is "Elekere", but does the actual word for clock in our individual dialects differ?
For example, in my place we say "ataang" for clock. So I'm hoping someone would give me a few examples of what other towns use.

As far as I know, for the groups in the Ngwa/Eche axis, it's elekere. If ever there was a specific/dialectal term for it, it's long since been forgotten.

@ Chinenye

Interesting. I found out that in central Igbo the original intent of "Elekere" was to represent minutes and hours rather than the clock itself but it has come to mean
Clock in many areas.

In my place, ataang is actually "hand-bell" but since time has come to be associated with clock it has cone to mean both things. Language evolution is amazing.

^No,elekere bu clock.
Minutes bu Nkeji
Hour buru awa(okwu mbite)

O jirila nkeji iri abuo na ise gafee. . .haha.Okwa eziokwu!.WE use elekere in place of hour.

O jirila nkeji iri abuo na ise gafee "elekere iri" nke ututu.

Thanks for the deep clarification. You know sometimes it makes you wonder where the origin of certain words lie. Now I'm curios if there are any other communities/people that refer to clock as "ataang" or
Does it stem from Ibibio?

And Ify onwekwa mgbe igwaram na ndi gi bu ndi Aro, so do you normally use "Elekere" or do any of them use "ataang"?