FrancisTony:
The thing is that ladies MIGHT feel the same urge to rape just as guys but won't because;

1) It takes lots of strength to overpower a guy.

2) If a lady who willingly accepted to fvck a guy, is labelled all sorts of vile names, only God knows what the one that raped a guy would be called.

Click the link, read the reply & don't quote the poster o. LOL!
https://www.nairaland.com/1114515/christian-chatbox-sticky/576#38142517

Someone will say there's nothing physically attractive in a guy save for face.
E.g in India, there are many rape cases and we know an average Indian girl isn't endowed physically yet they cover all their bodies but will still be raped.
There's a mentally deranged girl in my estate - she's not extremely mad though and doesn't dress provocatively but has been raped virtually by everyone.

Have you asked why Amber Rose, Kim Kardashian, Beyonce hasn't complained of being raped with all their assets they flaunt?
Has Cossy, Afrocandy, Maheeda complained?
What of Omotola, Genevieve, Tonto Dike & all female celebrities that bare their cleavages?
Rap1st choose their victims and act on a carefully thought out procedure.
No right thinking person would have sex with someone who's crying for help.

Lastly, if you check rape cases, you will find out that bad girls who dress provocatively don't get raped except ones that LIE to cover the shame.

SAMBARRY:
does that description of dressing threaten anyone's life or safety? If no what is your point because I see some guys too who dress quite inappropriately BY MY OWN STANDARDS

I was on the que waiting for my turn on atm Stand this Sunday and a guy behind me dyed his hair whether blonde or gold with long long chains that all this rappers wear about 3was on his neck.

He was wearing nose ring, pierced under his lips again, sagged his trousers and wore a yellow and blue chelsea jersey or top abi wetin una dey call am

to him he was doing fashion to me he looked likea weirdo but the Issue is

WETIN CONSAIN ME. His mode of dressing did not affect me in ANYWAY

even those pudah women that wear overall black curtain to cover them from the top of their heads to their feet con wear black socks and put something like black net on their faces are they not raped too?

cococandy:
@bold in your post, as it should be.

Why exactly should it be otherwise?
Right without responsibilities indeed.

Does anyone molest you guys for being indecent? I haven't seen you cry foul for the rights without responsibilities you're enjoying.

See you quoted a writer who's saying male sexuality is being oppressed. If you didn't mean that in Relation to rape and victim blaming, why quote him/her in this instance. It's like you're not aware of the subliminal message that carries. Your bad if you're misunderstood.
Next time quote him only when it is appropriate even if untrue. But at least let it have a relationship with the topic that won't make your post sound like something else.

@colored, I share no such sentiments. I've met good men. Many.
And I defend good men when coincidentally people who share your POV insinuate that men are beings with lack of self control who could be potential rapists if the lady around them isn't behaving properly. You Didn't see it that way huh?
Because you wanted to distract attention from the serious issue of rape to the propaganda of men are being demonized. As is usual in these parts.

Never mind that the article had MEN and WOMEN equally outraged by the "don't dress indecently if you don't want to raped" comments.

The thing is when people say such things, they don't understand what they are teaching.
"Don't bring out the beast in him"
"Don't push him to molest you"
"Don't provoke him to beat you to death"
Etc. they don't teach the so called responsibility that you're harping about. What they teach is that the perpetrator is not responsible for their actions of crime against the other person.


As for what is proper dressing or not, who makes the rules? You, me? With cultures varying around the world is there a common standard agreed upon by EVERY single person as to what proper dressing is? Don't bother to answer that. Rhetorical.

But there is a standard for what is harmful to the next person as humans feel pain the same way. So yes anti-rape laws and sentiments (especially sentiments) can be enforced or at least taught because any victim anywhere in the world feels the pain the same way. (That's an example)

But 'proper' dressing can't be enforced because we don't all agree on what's proper and what's not. So the earlier People started respecting other people's choices of dressing, the faster we can move on to the main issues. Which is the criminal high handedness of someone who thinks they can take another by force because they felt enticed.

I've a question for you though.

why do you think rape is stil very high in countries like India and Nigeria where conservativism is still the order of the day?

What are your thoughts on that?

freecocoa:
Dude I honestly don't understand you o, I told you everything I have posted so far was derived from your own posts, that is just an example of it, you wouldn't stay on track and lied too, what did you expect me to do? You just keep trying to wriggle your way out of every question I have asked and I'm the one jumping lines? I guess you don't even understand a logical discourse, you should know that "whatever you say can and will be used against you" so you better gather your thought process and keep them in line, I don't need to take everything you write [/b]as most of them is just you repeating yourself, I take the [b]relevant ones and ask questions based on them, how you don't see that, beats me.

Maybe we should try again and this time, please no unnecessary explanations, just concise ones.

If rape can be or is caused by indecent dressing(which is overly subjective btw)why does the rapist get punished and not the indecent dresser?

Good morning.

If rape can be or is caused by indecent dressing(which is overly subjective btw)why does the rapist get punished and not the indecent dresser?

how come YOU won't dress indecent and snap it for us to see? What's your reason for not wearing a g-string and netted bra and joining the "slut" movement madam? I can't wait to hear it

ApexTitan:


Yup people can dress inappropriately but I'm yet to see any group of straight men that insist to the point of political rallies that it is OK for guys to like dress semi-nakéd gigolos. Slut walking is just another melodramatic arm of the feminist movement like Free The N!pple movement and The Free Bleeders; people operating under a misguided notion of equality.

freecocoa:
Really? You would lie as well?

Okay then, since indecent dressing is what causes rape? Why is rape an offence and indecent dressing isn't?

5minsmadness:


So you only pick points that are relevant to YOU, the rest of it is me repeating myself.
Perfect example of you reading only what you want to read. Thank you.

If you are only picking points that are relevant to YOU then there is no way WE can have a LOGICAL discussion.
See why males and females always quarrel

Any sane person going through the posts will see I've been answering all your questions and even painfully explaining my position all the time hence your impression that I'm repeating myself.

I'm still going to answer this last one you asked. It may or may not be the response you expect based in the stereotype you so badly want this discussion to take.


@strikethrough, I gave you examples, even pictures of indecently dressed ladies. Go back and see what there is overly subjective.

Rape is a crime punishable by law. The rapist has hurt another human being. He will be published accordingly.


Now kindly answer my question that you so covertly avoided

5minsmadness:

I would have, but I didn't want it to look like I was ignoring her questions. I'll consider it next time.

You keep appearing on my radar like a wart. Are u following me around?

lezz:
indecent dressing to a degree is covered/punished by law in indecent exposure

lezz:
indecent dressing to a degree is covered by law in indecent exposure

freecocoa:
Oga, you don't know the first thing about a logical discourse.

It doesn't make sense that rape should be punishable by law if it is caused by indecent dressing, I mean the rapist couldn't have helped himself, if anything, the indecent dresser should be the one to be punished.

Asking questions like you just did is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. Why should I snap in my underwear for you? What does that have to do with anything?

KanwuliaJara:



Sorry!
I don't do group activities!
I am a "solo slut"!

Kimoni:




No "peppersoup" gang (I don't know what this word means but I know I heard it first from you)

5minsmadness:

OK then.
Discussion over.

cococandy:
As usual they refuse to get the message.

Stop victim blaming.
Stop slut shaming.

Nigeria needs this walk. Walahi.

So all these yeye "what were you wearing when he raped you" questions will die down. As if the victims of sexual offenses are usually dressed half unclad before they are attacked.
Nigeria is a good example why the slut walk is necessary. Because blaming the victim about their appearance during an attack leads to nothing but ignoring the real issue. Which is that sexual offenses on the most part happen to people who weren't indecently exposed at the moment it happened.

From what we can see, how you dress doesn't prevent you from being attacked. we are tired of people passing blame onto that instead of focusing on how to train young boys right.

Why didn't the guy say something about the victims who have been attacked when decently dressed and infants/ kids too who are attacked all the time?

As usual. He wants to perpetuate the tradition of victim blaming. Like many of y'all do.

SAMBARRY:
is Google search engine your enemy

do you expect to live in a place like this for weeks months or years with a lot of degradation and brutality and still come out and behave like a normal human being

SAMBARRY:
no . Nigeria is one of the numerous 3rd world nations gradually experiencing Thomas hobbes description of state of nature that is why criminals get away with crime the same way politicians get away with looting and money laundering

SAMBARRY:
I'm a pro safe and secure state where everyone's actions will be respected PROVIDED IT DOESN'T THREATEN THE SAFETY AND FREEDOM OF THE OTHER

Thank you for thanking me

5minsmadness:

Thanks bro, I already kind of mentioned this to her but she won't see it cos it's not RELEVANT to HER discussion

5minsmadness:

Thanks bro, I already kind of mentioned this to her but she won't see it cos it's not RELEVANT to HER discussion

lezz:
I have observed it. It has been an effort of hole picking for her.

freecocoa:
Yea, keyword being "degree" now kindly tell us the degree especially as relate with Nigeria.

freecocoa:
You are yet to answer my question though.

lezz:
I thought the Lagos state dress code for public servant was a well-worn issue. Not to mention the numerous dress restrictions by The Nigerian Law School, Churches, banks which are fashioning dress codes to promote the dignity of the human person.

A few years ago, Senators Eme Ufot Ekaete, Ikechukwu Obiora and others, sponsored a Bill at the Senate to Prohibit and Punish Public Nudity, Sexual Intimidation and Related Offences in Nigeria” otherwise called Indecent Dressing Bill or Indecent Exposure Bill.

freecocoa:
The law was scrapped in Lagos. Check again.

That was in 2008 and this bill was not signed into law, so that isn't even supposed to come up.

You are now mixing apples and oranges, I'm not talking about different organisations and rules governing them, I am talking about the laws that governs us all.

freecocoa:
You lie a lot and it's not nice. Show me where you mentioned it.

5minsmadness:


It would interest u to know that indecent dressing is actually an offence in some countries. Having said so, if indecent dressing is not a criminal offence how come YOU won't dress indecent and snap it for us to see? What's your reason for not wearing a g-string and netted bra and joining the "slut" moment madam? I can't wait to hear it

lezz:
The law covering and punishing indecent exposure is a universal fact expecially in the west. THE LAW WAS SCRAPPED BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATORS DIDN'T DO THEIR JOBS. THE 2008 WAS AN ATTEMPT AT IGNORANCE OF UNINTENDED DUPLICITY : THE LAW ALREADY EXIST IN NIGERIA.

The crime of indecent exposure comes from common law. It is part of the civil laws as received statutes.


Both the criminal laws in the southern states and the penal code of the north deals with indecent exposure. The federal Criminal code also deals with this. See section 231

5minsmadness:


https://www.nairaland.com/2621430/slut-walk-womens-right/3#38355148

Timbuktou:


Criminals don't get away with crime in the west? What the heck are you still doing in Nigeria? Even if it's because of visa issues, you can paddle across the Atlantic and take your chances.

Timbuktou:


Again, I say. I am talking about oyibo rapists in the west in oyibo prisons. You need to understand a post before replying.

ApexTitan:


Your question presupposes that rape incidents are low(er) in countries that are not as conservative as Nigeria or India. You will find that the USA with an estimated 300,000 rape crimes (according to the US Department of Justice https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/210346.pdf) ranks among the top 10 countries where people are likely to get raped, and they occupy that position with several other first world countries like France, UK and Canada. Go through any of the many stats available online and see for yourself.

I am waiting to see anyone prove that provocative dressing has no link or effect whatsoever on whether a person gets raped or not. And till that time the present call for women to throw caution to the wind and dress as skimpily as they desire, because they want to feel empowered and liberated with their sexuality, will continue to draw ridicule from people like me. I always find it interesting that any effort to encourage decent dressing among today's modern woman is immediately seen as a curtailing of her rights.