truthman2012:


How could you ask that question?

Are you saying allahh agreed with them and still created man so that they would be shedding one anothers' blood?

allah, sees what they see not, is it all humans on earth that kills?

bookceleb:


thanks for your time.
it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven.
Adam was not created yet at that time.
and it was Adam and Eve that were casted out of heaven for their disobedient of eating the forbidden friut.
as i hav said earlier all Quran verses have causes of revelations which can be found in Tafsir.

But Satan was also an angel before he disobey God, what was he doing among the jins

jcross19:
" shed blood" only exist in human realm okay mr alfa if your allah is confused and mohamMAD is gullible. Blood carries the nuitrent of the flesh and nourish it so tell me did jinn have earthly body?.

you need a lexicon to see the usage "blood shed"

jcross19:
now use your brain not anus if jinn were made by fire then how can they shed blood of what or of themselves?.

thank you i cant use my brain.
you that can use it,how is it that man was created from clay and we still have blood in our system.
fire is already red n blood is red.
im done with you.
dont wanna stoop so low and start insulting

lexiconkabir:
and if he had concurred would you be here today? is it all humans that is killing?

hahahahahahahaha my friend you have no answer to this and many other things in ur book. even me too dont have answers to many things in the bible. lets love each other and make the world a better place ehn. meanwhile, i wonder how the prophet got that conversation, perhaps a screen shot of the whatsapp conversation was saved

bookceleb:


thank you i cant use my brain.
you that can use it,how is it that man was created from clay and we still have blood in our system.
fire is already red n blood is red.
im done with you.
dont wanna stoop so low and start insulting

Lmaooooooo...... admit man you cant defend this one. move on

Owliver:
[s]hahahahahahahaha my friend you have no answer to this and many other things in ur book. even me too dont have answers to many things in the bible. lets love each other and make the world a better place ehn. meanwhile, i wonder how the prophet got that conversation, perhaps a screen shot of the whatsapp conversation was saved [/s]

cluelessness at it peak.

lexiconkabir:
cluelessness at it peak.

ok. have a great night man.

bookceleb:


thank you i cant use my brain.
you that can use it,how is it that man was created from clay and we still have blood in our system.
fire is already red n blood is red.
im done with you.
dont wanna stoop so low and start insulting

you have not mr alfa, if jinn were shedding and your allah want to replace them now dont you think mohamMAD shed more than jinn? Even now all the story of jinn i do read seems they are spirit , now ask yourself how can a spirit shed blood when she or he has no flesh. We shed blood because we have flesh.

Sheenor:


But Satan was also an angel before he disobey God, what was he doing among the jins

satan is not an angel, but a jinn according to the quran. and you cant justify that satan is an angel from your bible either(i hope you wont go to book of job to look for your proof)

lexiconkabir:
you need a lexicon to see the usage "blood shed"

your allah cant even explain the meaning.

Sheenor:


But Satan was also an angel before he disobey God, what was he doing among the jins

Satan is a jinn and i just told you how he got to be in heaven among the angels.
Angels can never never disobey God.only man n jinns disobey God because we have freewill.
thats enough evidence satan was a jinn.

Owliver:
pls dont insult him pls. just ask him questions.

who do i insulted in that post? Ah no i only have problem with that demon call allah is agent mohamMAD.

jcross19:
your allah cant even explain the meaning.

i am beginning to believe demmzy15 that you have leprosy. pls go and cure your leprosy!

lexiconkabir:
allah, sees what they see not, is it all humans on earth that kills?

Lol! Allah didn't see it, only the angels did.

It cannot be all humans that kill otherwise the world would have gone into extinction. Allah himself got fed up with man (infidels) and ordered for their killings. Is that what he saw and went a head to create them?

truthman2012:



Lol! Allah didn't see it, only the angels did.

It cannot be all humans that kill otherwise the world would have gone into extinction. Allah himself got fed up with man (infidels) and ordered for their killings. Is that what he saw and went a head to create them?

and since its not all humans that do kill, then allah saw what they saw not.

bookceleb:


Satan is a jinn and i just told you how he got to be in heaven among the angels.
Angels can never never disobey God.only man n jinns disobey God because we have freewill.
thats enough evidence satan was a jinn.

Is satan a jinn or an angel?

And behold, We said to the
ANGELS: "Bow down to Adam"
and they bowed down. Not so
Iblis: he refused and was
haughty: He was of those who
reject Faith.
Qur'an 2:34

The statement to bow to Adam was to the angels, what was Iblis (satan) if a jinn doing among the angels?

Do angels and jinns live in the same realm?

So much manipulations in islam.

lexiconkabir:
and since its not all humans that do kill, then allah saw what they saw not.

Allah didn't see that any human would kill his fellow human at all and that was why he shunned the angels' advice.

Or are you saying he approves SOME humans killing their fellow humans?

I thought we are chating, why did you give up?

truthman2012:


Is satan a jinn or an angel?

And behold, We said to the
ANGELS: "Bow down to Adam"
and they bowed down. Not so
Iblis: he refused and was
haughty: He was of those who
reject Faith.
Qur'an 2:34

The statement to bow to Adam was to the angels, what was Iblis (satan) if a jinn doing among the angels?

Do angels and jinns live in the same realm?

So much manipulations in islam.

as i have explained earlier:
it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven.
Adam was not created yet at that time.

and living in thesame realm is possible as evident when Adam was created,he lived in heaven among the angels

lexiconkabir:
satan is not an angel, but a jinn according to the quran. and you cant justify that satan is an angel from your bible either(i hope you wont go to book of job to look for your proof)

What are you guys saying? Is Satan not iblis??

The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or
Iblis as an angel:

And (remember) when We said to the
angels : "Prostrate yourselves before
Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis
(Satan) , he refused and was proud and was
one of the disbelievers (disobedient to
Allah). S. 2:34


And (remember) when your Lord said to the
angels: "I am going to create a man
(Adam) from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned
him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him,
then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves
unto him." So, the angels prostrated
themselves, all of them together. Except
Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the
prostrators. S. 15:28-31


And (remember) when We said to the
angels : "Prostrate yourselves to Adam."
They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan) ,
who refused. S. 20:116


(Remember) when your Lord said to the
angels: "Truly, I am going to create man
from clay". So when I have fashioned him
and breathed into him (his) soul created by
Me, then you fall down prostrate to him."
So the angels prostrated themselves, all of
them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud
and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74

GOD almighty

truthman2012:

Who is the judge on the last day?

bookceleb:


Satan is a jinn and i just told you how he got to be in heaven among the angels.
Angels can never never disobey God.only man n jinns disobey God because we have freewill.
thats enough evidence satan was a jinn.

The following passage brings out this point even more clearly:


And surely, We created you (your father
Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble
shape of a human being), then We told the
angels , "Prostrate to Adam", and they
prostrated , except Iblis (Satan), he refused
to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said:
"What prevented you (O Iblis)
that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you? "
Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam),
You created me from fire, and him You
created from clay." S. 7:11-12


Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels.

bookceleb:


as i have explained earlier:
it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven.
Adam was not created yet at that time.

and living in thesame realm is possible as evident when Adam was created,he lived in heaven among the angels

I don't like people expressing sentiments as you are doing, without any authoritative backing.

You shouldn't think you can vomit just anything for people to swallow. Learn to attach evidence to anything
you claim.

Therefore your statement is void for want of evidence.

Sheenor:


What are you guys saying? Is Satan not iblis??

The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or
Iblis as an angel:

And (remember) when We said to the
angels : "Prostrate yourselves before
Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis
(Satan) , he refused and was proud and was
one of the disbelievers (disobedient to
Allah). S. 2:34


And (remember) when your Lord said to the
angels: "I am going to create a man
(Adam) from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned
him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him,
then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves
unto him." So, the angels prostrated
themselves, all of them together. Except
Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the
prostrators. S. 15:28-31


And (remember) when We said to the
angels : "Prostrate yourselves to Adam."
They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan) ,
who refused. S. 20:116


(Remember) when your Lord said to the
angels: "Truly, I am going to create man
from clay". So when I have fashioned him
and breathed into him (his) soul created by
Me, then you fall down prostrate to him."
So the angels prostrated themselves, all of
them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud
and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74

us thesame last chapter to answer your question.
because of your mischievous aim,you stopped at verse 74 from the S 38:71-74 you quoted.
why stop at 74?
read till 76,your answer is there.
Iblis said it himself that he was created from fire or areangels created from fire too?

Sheenor:


The following passage brings out this point even more clearly:


And surely, We created you (your father
Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble
shape of a human being), then We told the
angels , "Prostrate to Adam", and they
prostrated , except Iblis (Satan), he refused
to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said:
"What prevented you (O Iblis)
that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you? "
Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam),
You created me from fire, and him You
created from clay." S. 7:11-12


Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels.

readthe verse again or are angels created from fire too?

truthman2012:


I don't like people expressing sentiments as you are doing, without any authoritative backing.

You shouldn't think you can vomit just anything for people to swallow. Learn to attach evidence to anything
you claim.

Therefore your statement is void for want of evidence.

read the verses you people are quoting now. your evidence is in it.im only explaining it to you.

Sheenor:


The following passage brings out this point even more clearly:


And surely, We created you (your father
Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble
shape of a human being), then We told the
angels , "Prostrate to Adam", and they
prostrated , except Iblis (Satan), he refused
to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said:
"What prevented you (O Iblis)
that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you? "
Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam),
You created me from fire, and him You
created from clay." S. 7:11-12


Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels.

Iblis was just among the angels but he is not an angel.
i already told you how he got to be among the angels.
angels are created from light and Iblis was created from fire while Adam was created from clay

I dey laugh.
Shaytan was an angel or Jinn?
Popular Arabic folk tales are being regurgitated here with no proof. But the tales being regurgitated here are found in Arabic Islamic books which are not yet probably translated into English.
To understand Islam you must know Arabic classical .
What book celeb is revealing is what ALL muslins are taught in the madrassa.
I love this thread..allah is so ridiculous it pains.

There is a guy on paltalk who quotes from official Saudi Arabia islamic websites called Prince of Peace. Classical Arabic speaker and has videos on YouTube channel.
He destroys Islam using the main Sunni Source Al Azah university scholars who write in Arabic so infidels can never know what Arabs are saying.

bookceleb:


us thesame last chapter to answer your question.
because of your mischievous aim,you stopped at verse 74 from the S 38:71-74 you quoted.
why stop at 74?
read till 76,your answer is there.
Iblis said it himself that he was created from fire or areangels created from fire too?

Muslims do say that angels where created from light. But my question to them is where in quran is stated that other angels excluding iblis where created from light?

bookceleb:


Iblis was just among the angels but he is not an angel.
i already told you how he got to be among the angels.
angels are created from light and Iblis was created from fire while Adam was created from clay

Some group of people believe that jinn are actually a class of angels created to guard paradise.


Renowned Sunny
exegete and historian al-Tabari wrote:

According to al-Qasim b. al-Hasan- al-
Husayn b. Dawud- Hajjaj- Ibn Jurayj- Ibn
`Abbas: Iblis was one of the most noblest
angels and belonged to the most honored
tribe among them . He was a keeper of
Paradise. He had authority to rule over the
lower heaven as well as earth.


According to al-Qasim- al-Husayn- Hajjaj-
Ibn Jurayj- Salih, the mawla of al-Taw'amah
and Sharik b. Abir Namir, either one or both
of them- Ibn `Abbas: There was an angelic
tribe of jinn, and Iblis belonged to it . He
governed all in between the heaven and the
earth.


According to Musa b. Harun al-Hamdani-
`Amr b. Hammad- Asbat- al-Suddi- Abu
Malik and Abu Salih- Ibn `Abbas. Also (al-
Suddi)- Murrah al-Hamdani- Ibn Mas'ud
and some (other) companions of the
Prophet : Iblis was ruler over the lower
heaven. He belonged to a tribe of angels
called jinn. They were called jinn because
they were keepers of Paradise (al-jannah) .
In addition to being ruler, Iblis was a keeper
(of Paradise).


According to `Abdan al-Marwazi- al-
Husayn b. al-Faraj- Dahhak b. Muzahim,
commenting on God's word: "They
prostrated themselves, except Iblis. He was
one of the jinn": Ibn `Abbas used to say:
Iblis was one of the noblest angels and
belonged to their most honored tribe. He
was a keeper of Paradise, and his was the
rule over the lower heaven as well as the
earth.


According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Abu
al-Azhar al-Mubarak b. Mujahid- Sharik b.
`Abdallah b. Abi Namir- Salih, the mawla of
al-Taw'amah- Ibn `Abbas: There is an
angelic tribe called jinn. Iblis belonged to
them . He used to rule all in between
heaven and earth. Then he became
disobedient, and God therefore transformed
him into a stoned Satan.

trapQ:
GOD almighty

Is Yahweh or allahh the Almighty God?

Quran 9:29 says the Jews and Christians didn't believe in allahh. The God they believe in is Yahweh with whom they have been having relationship hundreds of years.

Quran 109:1-6 states allahh which Muhammad worshiped is not the same as Yahweh.

It was Yahweh people knew as Almighty God before allahh surfaced in Saudi Arabia hundreds of years later. Where was he from?

Sheenor:


Muslims do say that angels where created from light. But my question to them is where in quran is stated that other angels excluding iblis where created from light?

Sheenor See how Muslims can't explain their folk tales. They get that info from imams who speak Arabic.Not all islam folk tales have been translated and madrassa teachers use that to brainwash young boys and girls.
all those stories posted here about iblis etc are in their books and most likely not in English websites but passed down to the Muslims by their imams, mauluvi,sheikhs,ayatollahs, mullahs and any other Islamic scholar who understands Arabic.
All Muslims recite quran Arabic...Its said 90℅ of them have no idea of what Qur'an says but rely on what that scholar says.
a Hafeez is one who has crammed the entire Qur'an in Arabic never mind that the hafeez knows no Arabic but can recite the whole Quran in Arabic language.
Recitation of the Qur'an is so important in Islam over understanding it. The Imams explain it , the Muslims just recite verses mindlessly.