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Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:33pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
truthman2012:allah, sees what they see not, is it all humans on earth that kills? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Sheenor: 5:34pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: But Satan was also an angel before he disobey God, what was he doing among the jins |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:34pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
jcross19:you need a lexicon to see the usage "blood shed" |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 5:34pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
jcross19: thank you i cant use my brain. you that can use it,how is it that man was created from clay and we still have blood in our system. fire is already red n blood is red. im done with you. dont wanna stoop so low and start insulting |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Owliver(m): 5:35pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:hahahahahahahaha my friend you have no answer to this and many other things in ur book. even me too dont have answers to many things in the bible. lets love each other and make the world a better place ehn. meanwhile, i wonder how the prophet got that conversation, perhaps a screen shot of the whatsapp conversation was saved |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Owliver(m): 5:36pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb:Lmaooooooo...... admit man you cant defend this one. move on |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Owliver:cluelessness at it peak. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Owliver(m): 5:37pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:ok. have a great night man. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by jcross19: 5:38pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb:you have not mr alfa, if jinn were shedding and your allah want to replace them now dont you think mohamMAD shed more than jinn? Even now all the story of jinn i do read seems they are spirit , now ask yourself how can a spirit shed blood when she or he has no flesh. We shed blood because we have flesh. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:39pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor:satan is not an angel, but a jinn according to the quran. and you cant justify that satan is an angel from your bible either(i hope you wont go to book of job to look for your proof) |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by jcross19: 5:39pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:your allah cant even explain the meaning. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 5:41pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor: Satan is a jinn and i just told you how he got to be in heaven among the angels. Angels can never never disobey God.only man n jinns disobey God because we have freewill. thats enough evidence satan was a jinn. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by jcross19: 5:41pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Owliver:who do i insulted in that post? Ah no i only have problem with that demon call allah is agent mohamMAD. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:42pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
jcross19:i am beginning to believe demmzy15 that you have leprosy. pls go and cure your leprosy! |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by truthman2012(m): 5:42pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: Lol! Allah didn't see it, only the angels did. It cannot be all humans that kill otherwise the world would have gone into extinction. Allah himself got fed up with man (infidels) and ordered for their killings. Is that what he saw and went a head to create them? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Nobody: 5:45pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
truthman2012:and since its not all humans that do kill, then allah saw what they saw not. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by truthman2012(m): 5:50pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: Is satan a jinn or an angel? And behold, We said to the ANGELS: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. Qur'an 2:34 The statement to bow to Adam was to the angels, what was Iblis (satan) if a jinn doing among the angels? Do angels and jinns live in the same realm? So much manipulations in islam. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by truthman2012(m): 5:56pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: Allah didn't see that any human would kill his fellow human at all and that was why he shunned the angels' advice. Or are you saying he approves SOME humans killing their fellow humans? I thought we are chating, why did you give up? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 5:56pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
truthman2012: as i have explained earlier: it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven. Adam was not created yet at that time. and living in thesame realm is possible as evident when Adam was created,he lived in heaven among the angels |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Sheenor: 6:01pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: What are you guys saying? Is Satan not iblis?? The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or Iblis as an angel: And (remember) when We said to the angels : "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan) , he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34 And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators. S. 15:28-31 And (remember) when We said to the angels : "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan) , who refused. S. 20:116 (Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74 |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by trapQ: 6:03pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
GOD almighty truthman2012: |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Sheenor: 6:06pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: The following passage brings out this point even more clearly: And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels , "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated , except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you? " Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." S. 7:11-12 Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate to Adam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by truthman2012(m): 6:08pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: I don't like people expressing sentiments as you are doing, without any authoritative backing. You shouldn't think you can vomit just anything for people to swallow. Learn to attach evidence to anything you claim. Therefore your statement is void for want of evidence. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 6:13pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor: us thesame last chapter to answer your question. because of your mischievous aim,you stopped at verse 74 from the S 38:71-74 you quoted. why stop at 74? read till 76,your answer is there. Iblis said it himself that he was created from fire or areangels created from fire too? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 6:15pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor: readthe verse again or are angels created from fire too? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 6:17pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
truthman2012: read the verses you people are quoting now. your evidence is in it.im only explaining it to you. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by bookceleb: 6:20pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor: Iblis was just among the angels but he is not an angel. i already told you how he got to be among the angels. angels are created from light and Iblis was created from fire while Adam was created from clay |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by basilico: 6:24pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
I dey laugh. Shaytan was an angel or Jinn? Popular Arabic folk tales are being regurgitated here with no proof. But the tales being regurgitated here are found in Arabic Islamic books which are not yet probably translated into English. To understand Islam you must know Arabic classical . What book celeb is revealing is what ALL muslins are taught in the madrassa. I love this thread..allah is so ridiculous it pains. There is a guy on paltalk who quotes from official Saudi Arabia islamic websites called Prince of Peace. Classical Arabic speaker and has videos on YouTube channel. He destroys Islam using the main Sunni Source Al Azah university scholars who write in Arabic so infidels can never know what Arabs are saying. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Sheenor: 6:25pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: Muslims do say that angels where created from light. But my question to them is where in quran is stated that other angels excluding iblis where created from light? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by Sheenor: 6:31pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
bookceleb: Some group of people believe that jinn are actually a class of angels created to guard paradise. Renowned Sunny exegete and historian al-Tabari wrote: According to al-Qasim b. al-Hasan- al- Husayn b. Dawud- Hajjaj- Ibn Jurayj- Ibn `Abbas: Iblis was one of the most noblest angels and belonged to the most honored tribe among them . He was a keeper of Paradise. He had authority to rule over the lower heaven as well as earth. According to al-Qasim- al-Husayn- Hajjaj- Ibn Jurayj- Salih, the mawla of al-Taw'amah and Sharik b. Abir Namir, either one or both of them- Ibn `Abbas: There was an angelic tribe of jinn, and Iblis belonged to it . He governed all in between the heaven and the earth. According to Musa b. Harun al-Hamdani- `Amr b. Hammad- Asbat- al-Suddi- Abu Malik and Abu Salih- Ibn `Abbas. Also (al- Suddi)- Murrah al-Hamdani- Ibn Mas'ud and some (other) companions of the Prophet : Iblis was ruler over the lower heaven. He belonged to a tribe of angels called jinn. They were called jinn because they were keepers of Paradise (al-jannah) . In addition to being ruler, Iblis was a keeper (of Paradise). According to `Abdan al-Marwazi- al- Husayn b. al-Faraj- Dahhak b. Muzahim, commenting on God's word: "They prostrated themselves, except Iblis. He was one of the jinn": Ibn `Abbas used to say: Iblis was one of the noblest angels and belonged to their most honored tribe. He was a keeper of Paradise, and his was the rule over the lower heaven as well as the earth. According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Abu al-Azhar al-Mubarak b. Mujahid- Sharik b. `Abdallah b. Abi Namir- Salih, the mawla of al-Taw'amah- Ibn `Abbas: There is an angelic tribe called jinn. Iblis belonged to them . He used to rule all in between heaven and earth. Then he became disobedient, and God therefore transformed him into a stoned Satan. |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by truthman2012(m): 6:36pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
trapQ: Is Yahweh or allahh the Almighty God? Quran 9:29 says the Jews and Christians didn't believe in allahh. The God they believe in is Yahweh with whom they have been having relationship hundreds of years. Quran 109:1-6 states allahh which Muhammad worshiped is not the same as Yahweh. It was Yahweh people knew as Almighty God before allahh surfaced in Saudi Arabia hundreds of years later. Where was he from? |
Re: Islamic Angels Are Wiser by basilico: 6:41pm On Oct 01, 2015 |
Sheenor: Sheenor See how Muslims can't explain their folk tales. They get that info from imams who speak Arabic.Not all islam folk tales have been translated and madrassa teachers use that to brainwash young boys and girls. all those stories posted here about iblis etc are in their books and most likely not in English websites but passed down to the Muslims by their imams, mauluvi,sheikhs,ayatollahs, mullahs and any other Islamic scholar who understands Arabic. All Muslims recite quran Arabic...Its said 90℅ of them have no idea of what Qur'an says but rely on what that scholar says. a Hafeez is one who has crammed the entire Qur'an in Arabic never mind that the hafeez knows no Arabic but can recite the whole Quran in Arabic language. Recitation of the Qur'an is so important in Islam over understanding it. The Imams explain it , the Muslims just recite verses mindlessly. |
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