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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by alaoeri: 11:11pm On Oct 08, 2015
Many are educated but few are learned, many have been blindfolded by ethno/tribal hate.
PH shoresshores ( continental shelf ) is steep & not deep unlike Lagos shores.
Lagos shores has natural harbour which prevent ships from wreckage.
PH port require regular dredging to enable ships to sail to the shores & construction of artificial harbours to prevent sea waves from wrecking ships.
These two factors are capital intensive.
The late Yar'dua tried to dredge the lower Niger but no meaningful result despite spending huge amount.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Kingspin(m): 11:13pm On Oct 08, 2015
jaymichael:
The op used Rivers state port as a case study and I presume he meant the PH port.
Since u have knowledge of what is going on, so i decide to bring the other major seaports we have.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Duru1(m): 11:24pm On Oct 08, 2015
alaoeri:
Many are educated but few are learned, many have been blindfolded by ethno/tribal hate.
PH shoresshores ( continental shelf ) is steep & not deep unlike Lagos shores.
Lagos shores has natural harbour which prevent ships from wreckage.
PH port require regular dredging to enable ships to sail to the shores & construction of artificial harbours to prevent sea waves from wrecking ships.
These two factors are capital intensive.
The late Yar'dua tried to dredge the lower Niger but no meaningful result despite spending huge amount.

Per the bolded, this is arrant nonsense. The Port Harcourt wharf was adequately competing with Apapa wharf before the civil war. However after the civil war, Nigeria government redrew the importance of the wharfs even the Apapa was expanded to include Tin Can. One governor from the southern Nigeria once question if the Lagos was part of eastern region where the civil war was fought that all the redevelopment, reconstruction and rehabilitation are directed toward Lagos. The one of the major problems of Nigeria is display of disingeunity by its citizens.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by princepee: 11:31pm On Oct 08, 2015
This is the kind of topic i will like to see on front p.....not all those goat eat yam tonto's new cloth kind of topic.... Op God bless u for this.... I ve ask myself this questions without answer.






#Lala send this to where it belongs
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by alaoeri: 11:41pm On Oct 08, 2015
Duru1:


Per the bolded, this is arrant nonsense. The Port Harcourt wharf was adequately competing with Apapa wharf before the civil war. However after the civil war, Nigeria government redrew the importance of the wharfs even the Apapa was expanded to include Tin Can. One governor from the southern Nigeria once question if the Lagos was part the part of eastern region where the civil war was fought that all the redevelopment, reconstruction and rehabilitation are directed toward Lagos. The one of the major problems of Nigeria is display of disingeunity by its citizens.
Put tribal sentiment aside, river Niger empty itself along PH shores & come along with a large deposit of sand particles, Abacha tried to dredge it up to Kogi while Yar'adua tried it up to Baro both are fruitless mission, take a trip to PH port & observe things by yourself, cargo ships won't be able to sail near PH's shores, as for development & rehabilitation directed towards Lagos IBB is still alive maybe you should direct your question to him.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:43pm On Oct 08, 2015
If the South South and South East had sense, they should have made Ibaka deep sea port a reality. Igbo's would have gone home since.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by smoothpapuzy(m): 12:06am On Oct 09, 2015
Ask ken saro wiwa...
The man that sold his people just like ameachi has done.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Duru1(m): 12:12am On Oct 09, 2015
alaoeri:

Put tribal sentiment aside, river Niger empty itself along PH shores & come along with a large deposit of sand particles, Abacha tried to dredge it up to Kogi while Yar'adua tried it up to Baro both are fruitless mission, take a trip to PH port & observe things by yourself, cargo ships won't be able to sail near PH's shores, as for development & rehabilitation directed towards Lagos IBB is still alive maybe you should direct your question to him.

Where is the tribal sentiment about economic infrastructure needed to help Nigerians? The only person bringing tribal sentiment to this discourse is you. Do you know how many times Apapa Wharf has been dredged? Apapa Wharf has the same topological features as PH wharf. There is no deep-sea cargo port in Nigeria except the proposes port at Ibaka or if Nigerian government will look at Opu Obu (Opopo). You seemed to be confused about dredging of a river with Abacha proposal. Even deep-sea ports are often subjected to dredging.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Ballmer: 2:11am On Oct 09, 2015
new2020:


IF THEY CAN BUILD A CITY AS ABUJA SOLELY FROM THE PROCEEDS OF OIL, THEY COULD HAVE DREDGED PORT HARCOURT 30 YRS AGO. There is a lot of injustice in this country that has reach CRITICAL MASS...beyond resolution.

This explains why Jonathan will forever be a cursed man and if you are one of his supporter you are cursed forever along with your entire generation.

If babangida can within 7 yrs build a complete state from the revenue his forefather as no right what stopped Jonathan from build a seaport within 5 years to the source of the wealth which he as bonafide right but rather chose to loot to hell.

I hope you are not wailing for Buhari to correct this injustice because if you are may you not do good for the rest of your life but if not and willing to solely relish the non performance orchestrated by Jonathan till another southern takes over may the goodness n mercy of the Lord be with u forever more.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Ballmer: 2:20am On Oct 09, 2015
stanech:


I think the federal government should make efforts to install a viable seaport in Ph and provide all the necessary machinery to make it work. It won't be that difficult to do.

Brilliant suggestion but was your brain dead when Jonathan was the president ? Keep your idea n brilliance in the cooler till the next 4 or 8 years when a southerners bcoms the president again. The abokis we all know are not your slave. If a Southern president can not do it then you do not deserve it.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by redsconsult(m): 3:34am On Oct 09, 2015
rudebouy:


How deep is the proposed Ibaka Sea Port?
see jamb question...make Google your luv
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by redsconsult(m): 3:39am On Oct 09, 2015
new2020:


My friend stop this deflection...it pisses me off.
if it pisses you off I don't mind the truth is that I Ve the knowledge and authority to speak in the maritime industry which you don't have . I will love you to learn .. All our resources shld not be channeled to dredging of pH port alone because the little dredging that took place in river Niger with no significant purpose cos the country a fortune

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by redsconsult(m): 3:41am On Oct 09, 2015
alaoeri:
Many are educated but few are learned, many have been blindfolded by ethno/tribal hate.
PH shoresshores ( continental shelf ) is steep & not deep unlike Lagos shores.
Lagos shores has natural harbour which prevent ships from wreckage.
PH port require regular dredging to enable ships to sail to the shores & construction of artificial harbours to prevent sea waves from wrecking ships.
These two factors are capital intensive.
The late Yar'dua tried to dredge the lower Niger but no meaningful result despite spending huge amount.
you are on point
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by dandollaz: 5:55am On Oct 09, 2015
stanech:
I have been asking this question for ages.


why why why?
politrick from yorubas.they said the water is shallow for big ship to bait,jona daft want to drage but same politrick took over again even calabar seaport is affected too.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by ba7man(m): 6:02am On Oct 09, 2015
Duru1:


Where is the tribal sentiment about economic infrastructure needed to help Nigerians? The only person bringing tribal sentiment to this discourse is you. Do you know how many times Apapa Wharf has been dredged? Apapa Wharf has the same topological features as PH wharf. There is no deep-sea cargo port in Nigeria except the proposes port at Ibaka or if Nigerian government will look at Opu Obu (Opopo). You seemed to be confused about dredging of a river with Abacha proposal. Even deep-sea ports are often subjected to dredging.
Apapa port is located in a lagoon while PH port is located in a sediment rich delta.

They do not share the same topography.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Crieff(m): 7:52am On Oct 09, 2015
jaymichael:
PH port is a cargo port. The port/terminal these oil vessels use are different from cargo ports. If PH port is underutilized, the fault lies with Igbos like you, why do you route your cargoes through Apapa and TINCAN, why not fill PH when opening your form M. Don't you people control 95% of importation again? or is it The Yoruba that domiciles in sw that will route his cargo via PH? you lots are so blinded by tribalism hate and lies that your brains have totally believed your delusions. If you had read my previous posts, you will know that I said most ports in the ND are used by mostly the oil industry who care less about the cost but are concerned mostly about proximity and convenience. I also stated that ND and Eastern business men do use the ports too but most times out of absolute necessity. Tell your people when importing to always use PH port and STOP COMPLAINING THAT IT IS YORUBA PEOPLE THAT ARE PREVENTING YOU FROM UTILIZING PH PORT. Educating bigots like you is pointless and me am not ready to bathe a live porcupine.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by tpiander: 7:54am On Oct 09, 2015
ba7man:
Apapa port is located in a lagoon while PH port is located in a sediment rich delta.

They do not share the same topography.

Yes, I think I've seen this somewhere before.

Maybe if they dredge the PH port?
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Yampotatocarrot(m): 8:20am On Oct 09, 2015
Let me start by saying I'm an Igbo guy....... Is there any law stating that the ports in the S.S should not b used? If not, why can't my Igbo business men route their containers or whatever to that side. U don't expect a Yoruba man with his company in d S.W to route his goods to the S.S then transport t on road to d S.W. Since my Igbo brothers have their companies in the S.E, d question becomes, what EXACTLY r they scared of that z stopping then from taking their goods to these S.S ports?

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by otokx(m): 9:06am On Oct 09, 2015
There is a Port in Port Harcourt and another at Onne and another in Bonny.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Jorussia(m): 9:51am On Oct 09, 2015
there is no need for all these ethnic bashings,all we need is for maritime experts to explain the reasons Lagos port is more functional than ph
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:07am On Oct 09, 2015
obailala:
Just to clear the air, I do not believe in all the conspiracies that people throw around in Nigeria about any zone being deliberately frustrated by others. I do not subscribe to that sort of paranoia or persecution-complex, you can call me naive if you like. As far as I am concerned, the problem of Nigeria is corruption and mismanagement and it is very clear to all who will not allow themselves to be held menatally captive by ethnic sentiments. Corruption and mismanagement is what killed the warri and PH ports. The only reason the Lagos port is still functional today is because it is the only port left in the country and the country cannot afford to live without a port. A private consortium builds a sea-port in Nigeria today and you would watch as the Lagos port dies a natural death. NITEL died only after private companies came on board, Nigeria Airways died only because private airlines came on board. YOu are not a stranger to the mismanagement and corruption in Nigeria. This is not rocket science.


you 're naive

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:20am On Oct 09, 2015
alaoeri:
Many are educated but few are learned, many have been blindfolded by ethno/tribal hate.
PH shoresshores ( continental shelf ) is steep & not deep unlike Lagos shores.
Lagos shores has natural harbour which prevent ships from wreckage.
PH port require regular dredging to enable ships to sail to the shores & construction of artificial harbours to prevent sea waves from wrecking ships.
These two factors are capital intensive.
The late Yar'dua tried to dredge the lower Niger but no meaningful result despite spending huge amount.
Nonsense from a lying tongue
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:21am On Oct 09, 2015
zuchyblink:
There is no federal presence in SS+SE where you will find federal presence is in Lagos,Abuja,Kaduna,Kano,Jos and Niger
SS+SE are good for exploitation. You can only find federal exploitative projects like NLNG,shell,NNPC etc.
One Nigeria indeed
And that is marginalization at its peak yet, most buffoons will not see it due to their poor mentality. They think by shouting "we are not Igbo" their problems will be solved.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:22am On Oct 09, 2015
Jorussia:
there is no need for all these ethnic bashings,all we need is for maritime experts to explain the reasons Lagos port is more functional than ph
The reasons are all political nothing more.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Kagawa10: 11:27am On Oct 09, 2015
stanech:


sorry your explanation is not making sense to me. who is collecting these money are they legal bodies ? can't the government do anything to check them.


I still think they are deliberately shortchanging the ss people
So, what is stopping ibos from shipping there? Dey swear for una?

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by ba7man(m): 11:32am On Oct 09, 2015
tpiander:


Yes, I think I've seen this somewhere before.

Maybe if they dredge the PH port?
The river Niger will just keep depositing sediments making dredging a continuous/expensive effort.

The best option is still the Ibaka port.

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Nobody: 11:33am On Oct 09, 2015
alaoeri:

Put tribal sentiment aside, river Niger empty itself along PH shores & come along with a large deposit of sand particles, Abacha tried to dredge it up to Kogi while Yar'adua tried it up to Baro both are fruitless mission, take a trip to PH port & observe things by yourself, cargo ships won't be able to sail near PH's shores, as for development & rehabilitation directed towards Lagos IBB is still alive maybe you should direct your question to him.
Are you sure you studied your geography properly. The River Niger flow into the creeks of Brass and not P/H. There is a big difference between dredging the Niger like the Suez canal to make way for bigger ships to Lokoja and dredging the channel of the Onne port.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by Chiaka(f): 12:12pm On Oct 09, 2015
Not true. It only political. Niger delta Militancy started not that long but this imbalance has been in the system for decades

jaymichael:
The answer is just one, MILITANCY/PIRACY. Those Niger Delta waterways are not safe. Apart from threats of kidnapping, it is more expensive for the shipping companies and shipping agents to operate that route as they have to settle or pay "escort" money to each community they pass. The cost is then passed on to the consignees. Security (or lack of it) is a serious impediment to the optimal utilization of Portharcourt port.
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by tpiander: 12:19pm On Oct 09, 2015
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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by obailala(m): 12:39pm On Oct 09, 2015
patmaine:



you 're naive
Feel free to say so... In fact, I totally agree with you and your ilk, the yorubas in connivance with the FG have ensured for decades that every other port in Nigeria dies except the over crowded port in yorubaland. Very brilliant analysis!

Anyway, permit me to say you are a typical African; every problem (even a headache) is viewed as an orchestration of your enemies to harm and frustrate you. But bro, where has that sort of mentality left your continent?

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Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by tpiander: 12:42pm On Oct 09, 2015
ba7man:
The river Niger will just keep depositing sediments making dredging a continuous/expensive effort.

The best option is still the Ibaka port.

Hm.

Any studies about ibaka port that can be examined?
Re: Why Is Rivers State Sea Port Underutilised While Lagos Suffers From Congestion? by jaymichael(m): 12:46pm On Oct 09, 2015
Chiaka:
Not true. It only political. Niger delta Militancy started not that long but this imbalance has been in the system for decades

What is the truth? what imbalance are you talking about? Is the PH port working? yes, Does it still receive ships yes, Is there any law or policy prohibiting ships from berthing and utilizing PH port? (You can get more clarification from any NPA office close to you or write to AGM ops western port Apapa) No If you igbos want PH port to thrive, Fill PH port in your FORM M prior to your importation. Yoruba businesses are predominantly domiciled in the sw they are not the ones that will make the port thrive. Your people prefer to route their goods through Lagos and they are the ones that STUPIDLY say PH port is underutilized. As an Importer, you have a right to route your goods through any port you so desire Apapa, Tincan Grimaldi PTML PAN ATLANTIC KLT, PH etc, just fill it in your form M and inform your shipper to look for a liner that ply that route. Am a freight forwarder and I should know. outline the policies initiated by the FM specifically targeted towards ensuring that the PH port is underutilized. PH port is working. ----------------->>NEXT PROPAGANDA.

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