crackhaus:

Now don't buy any gifts or surprise some of you so-called feminists whom you've known for only just 1year, na to begin with sentimental feelings of being under-appreciated and 'he's stingy' becomes your next favourite thought.
Why?

Mindfulness:


Nothing wrong with it. I will remember this thread when some of you will claim that headship in a home has nothing to do with the amount of money the husband brings home.

I have no problem with it. Just stop quoting the Bible then.

Happy New Week!

crackhaus:

Lol, again you digress.
The issue of headship is a completely unrelated thing, and you're trying to juxtapose it with this conversation.

But I'll bite.
Yes, headship in a home has absolutely nothing to do with who earns more - but TRUE feminists don't even believe in headship na, isn't this where the woman's problem begun?

She is a feminist but still wants to enjoy the perks of being married to a man who earns more— she's in essence, desperately trying to merge 'her innate natural feminine desires of being catered for' with 'her acquired feminist ideology of being strong and independent.'

Unfortunately, smart niggas like Franco know you just can't merge those two, they're contradictory.
A woman is either for one or for the other, cant have it both ways.

bukatyne:


I am trying hard to understand this post

You must see a woman (especially yours i.e. wife/gf) as inferior before treating her well?

Does your woman have to see you as inferior before treating you right too?

What is your definition of treating well sef? Buying her gifts? Spending money? No respect of her feelings ? Opinions? Her personality?

Besides, if the women of yore felt pampered/specially respected, you wouldn't hear of feminism.

Again, do a poll and ask how many women (anti-feminists) who do not believe in your first paragraph, then this discussion will be sweeter.

I will pass on your 'special' treatment sha.

CBC: mindfulness

Mindfulness:




Feminism is all about special treatment as opposed to the inferiority gospel that some of you want your sisters to buy into.

Now how we define special treatement may differ.

crackhaus:

That line in bold is exactly why I see women who don't understand or fully grasp the movement as totally confused.

You don't use equality and special treatment in the same sentence - you should know that the idea of feminism is birthed from the need to lift women up from that inferior position patriarchy placed them, onto a completely level-playing field with men.

On a level-playing field, there's isn't such a thing as special treatment anymore. Special treatment is given to people who are weak, handicapped, aged, or to children with special medical needs like imbecility and creatures with a pe.nis. .[/b]

bukatyne:


I am trying hard to understand this post

You must see a woman (especially yours i.e. wife/gf) as inferior before treating her well?

Does your woman have to see you as inferior before treating you right too?

What is your definition of treating well sef? Buying her gifts? Spending money? No respect of her feelings ? Opinions? Her personality?

Besides, if the women of yore felt pampered/specially respected, you wouldn't hear of feminism.

Again, do a poll and ask how many women (anti-feminists) who do not believe in your first paragraph, then this discussion will be sweeter.

I will pass on your 'special' treatment sha.

CBC: mindfulness

Mindfulness:


Fixed!

So demanding special treatment makes them equal eventually.

Mindfulness:


Fixed!

Mindfulness:


Well said!

And His Majesty Crackhaus himself would not deny a woman any of the rights he mentioned in his first paragraph?

Would he?

Mindfulness:


So headship has nothing to do with who earns more but being a feminist does?
[s]A woman can only be a feminist if she earns more[/s] but a man is always the head no matter how much he makes?

bukatyne:


First, I believe a romantic relationship is different from a platonic one and if you were gay : , you would buy for your men

Second, not every girl is tripped about gifts; everyone has different love language.

Third, some ladies believe their men should spoil them with gifts and they reciprocate too (love is all about giving)

Fourth, that a woman believes she's equal to a man doesn't make her a saint. It is just that: a belief.

Sounding like a 7 point agenda.

crackhaus:

Lol, again you digress.
The issue of headship is a completely unrelated thing, and you're trying to juxtapose it with this conversation.

But I'll bite.
Yes, headship in a home has absolutely nothing to do with who earns more - but TRUE feminists don't even believe in headship na, isn't this where the woman's problem begun?

She is a feminist but still wants to enjoy the perks of being married to a man who earns more— she's in essence, desperately trying to merge 'her innate natural feminine desires of being catered for' with 'her acquired feminist ideology of being strong and independent.'

Unfortunately, smart niggas like Franco know you just can't merge those two, they're contradictory.
A woman is either for one or for the other, cant have it both ways.

crackhaus:

You already understand it, you're just fighting it.

crackhaus:
I tagged you on a reply to Tèaroses on the boy's thread. That's the answer to this question.

crackhaus:
I am already being and will be treated right all round on account of being a man, isn't that what you feminists are angry about?

crackhaus:
Special treatment includes only some of the above.

crackhaus:
I respect everyone who deserves to be respected regardless of gender.

crackhaus:
They were pampered bukatyne—staying home and not working, but living big on the earnings of their husbands.

crackhaus:
Feminism was a movement for rights to vote, education, and equal representation. End of!
It's people like you that started bringing it into family settings and causing problems for yourselves, just like the woman in the story.

crackhaus:
You don't need to pass on my special treatment, I'm not your husband and I wasn't offering it to you.

crackhaus:

The summary is that you people still want to be treated special like a lady and catered to, full stop!

The problem is that this isn't possible with equality, so pick one.

crackhaus:

Lol... if I question your comprehension ability now, you will start having muscle spasms.

Giving equality to a woman who claims to be behind, puts her on the same level as men.
Special treatment for this woman after getting on the same level as men implies that she either still subconsciously sees herself as behind a man OR she deliberately wants to be made even more special, which in turn places men behind— Counter-productive, do you unzerszand?

crackhaus:

Creatures with a pe.nis didn't demand for special treatment, these creatures were born into a world where having a pe.nis guaranteed it - this is the natural order you people are not happy with abi?

crackhaus:

Why would I deny her those rights when she isn't fighting me everyday trying to prove how strong she is?

Strong women with strong head who constantly fight their men covertly or overtly for equal headship in the home, hardly have it easy - I haven't met one that has had a successful, long, and beautiful marriage...well, unless the man is a total walkover AKA mangina.

Do you think your hero Beyoncé would still be married if she didn't shut up anytime Jay tells her to shut up?

crackhaus:

You're just confusing yourself and making me bail you out constantly.

Is you people's brand of feminism now about earning? Lol...
You are the one coming up with those things you're typing, certainly not me. So once any woman earns more than her husband, she's automatically a feminist?
You're being distracted with something else today obviously

Mindfulness:


We wouldn't read this story if she earned more than Franco so the story is about money. It's just that you feel uncomfortable when money is used to question headship but not if it is used to question equal rights.

Mindfulness:


You will much rather be fought by an illiterate who lacks the mastery of proper communication and problem solving skills than a Melinda Gates.

They only have to do it if the marry a man who picked his understanding of the world from the Bible. The same book that tells people that a snake is responsible for generations of suffering.

Oh well, pick your battles wisely. No pity!

Do you think Jay Z is concerned with feminism?

Mindfulness:


I don't consider it counter-productive to be considered more special than a man.
It's true!

bukatyne:


Let me ask:

Apart from money aka catering to and special treatment, what other thing do you have to offer a woman?

All I read is special treatment; catering to; all women wants to spend their men's money etc. etc.

FYI: This babe is equal with her man and treated specially.... Ditto him.

crackhaus:

Tiwa earned more than her husband, we read the story—in fact, she couldn't stop bringing that in at every opportunity.
This story was never about money, it's about a woman who really doesn't understand where to drop feminism.

I dont feel uncomfortable about any argument involving money and headship, you are the one who brought it up on this thread by stating that finances should be the determinant of headship.

This means you are really the one having unresolved issues with headship... I'm very much secure in my place as a man and it's never been a cause for argument in my personal life, don't know about you?

crackhaus:

Perhaps from your perspective, totally not my reality.

The problem with ladies like you is mistaking confidence for being assertive/stubborn.
Sometimes the most confident person in the room is usually the one that talks the least.

No, strong women who believe being strong means dragging ground with their husband (Christian or not) do it because they don't know better. Simple!

This is the answer to my question?
Abi you wan start with your tactics of dodging questions by asking another...

Well since you couldn't answer that one, I'll do you one better:

Why the hell would a feminist like Beyoncé marry a black rapper whose only word for women in his lyrics are biitches, hoes, etc...

crackhaus:

This is exactly why you are a pseudo-feminist glad to be female and feminine, baby.

End of Story.

bukatyne:

I honestly don't.


I saw the reply and I don't relate going head to head with men & being equals. I have a question for Tearoses: Does her husband treat her as inferior? If yes, how? If no, then what is she talking about?

Why getting angry when you can change it by choosing the right person to be with?

What other special treatment does women get about from 'access' to their husband's money? How many of the anti-feminists here would really want to live the life of our grand-mothers? Infact terms like mutual respect, man treating you right etc. are 'modern' terms from people realizing that wives of yore had the short end of the stick

Simples. That's all asked for. Keep your special treatment to yourself.

If you say so... One would think they had free access to the earnings.

I don't know what you mean by 'people like me' and I can't remember confiding in you about having problems. If you need to see your wife as inferior to you to treat her well, goodluck and that's why courtship is very key. The woman in the story did not start the ish; the guy did. I blame her for accepting anyways.Besides, what is usually referred to as 'feminism' today is telling men to pick up some chores if their wife works.

Again, these are discussions/beliefs pre-wedding.

lols! I didn't marry a man who has to see me as his 'inferior' to be a good husband . Super lucky me!

bukatyne:


You are really in no position to say what 'true' feminisms believe or don't believe in.

What is the perk of marrying a higher earning husband? The same perk a man has marrying a better cook?

Mindfulness:


I agree with the last sentence.

If it is the determinant of feminism, then it has to be the determinant of headship too.

Fairness is what I stand for.

I have my own head. It's simple.

Mindfulness:
Bukatyne dear,

the only mistake you can make in a discussion with His Majesty Crackhaus is to take him too seriously. He is trolling around at least half of the time unlike others who are seriously venting their frustrations coming from their miserable experience with women. NL is suppossed to be therapeutic to them.

[size=18pt]Crackhaus is a feminist to the core.[/size] He loves strong, independent ladies who were raised by feminist pioneers. His provocations serve his understanding and sense of fun. Be playful and don't allow him to provoke you.

I am saying it because I know him very well and can see how he is trying to get under your skin.

A gentle e-slap here and there may be helpful too.