true2god:
Which lie do you bust, that i compiled the hadith i quoted or what? Am i abu dawud or Bhukari who compiled disgraceful hadiths against your prophet?

true2god:
Which lie do you bust, that i compiled the hadith i quoted or what? Am i abu dawud or Bhukari who compiled disgraceful hadiths against your prophet?

lexiconkabir:
Atleast he is a little bit better than malvisguy, that guy can annoy! >;(

true2god:
Which deception are you talking about? Am I the one that compiled the hadith? Why is it that any hadith that narrates what muslims dont want to know or hear about mohammed is branded 'a fabricated hadith'?

Medicis:
God bless you really good for this. Honestly, those guys are confused. But they still quote from the same weak hadith if it favours their argument.

true2god:
Which lie do you bust, that i compiled the hadith i quoted or what? Am i abu dawud or Bhukari who compiled disgraceful hadiths against your prophet?

AlMuflihah:


When I first saw the post and saw it was from you I felt no need responding for you are known to be a LIAR. But I will respond not for you but for the Muslims and truth seeking Christians reading this so I will try explain your show of stupidity to the world. Though I will have to enumerate the questions you asked and answer them as such as I don't know how to quote different parts of a post yet.
1)if it is fabricated, why is it still in Islamic libraries?
Ans: unlike Christians, we don't add or remove to islamic literatures as it soothes us. it is even a thing of benefit to us that it is in our books because it proves that every other book apart from the Qur'an can be subjected to human errors. Do you even know how these hadiths are recorded? It is recorded through a chain of transmitters before it gets to the one who wrote it down. So in the process, there might be corruptions or people like you might pretend to be Muslims and fabricate lies against Islam and report it as though it is an hadith and the one who recorded it might be unaware and will just record it without knowing it's from the enemy of Islam because he fears if he doesn't he is hiding a knowledge which highly prohibited to us.
2)why do you use it as teaching materials in some madrasahs? Simple it's to teach people who are ready to use their intellects(not people like you) how to recognise lies told against Islam from the truth.
3) why can't Muslims burn in? Answered from one above, because we aren't permitted to just remove anything or hide anything. And so we can learn how to recognise lies from truth by using those fabricated hadiths as examples.
4) why don't Muslims do official fatwas that it is fabricated? Is the fatwa of shaykh Al-albani quoted for you by my brother demzy not okay for you or until I quote Poo Francis?
Just stop going about with your ANTI-CHRIST Like attitude of blasphemy the beacon of moral excellence, the greatest man to set foot on earth, the one through whom Allah separated Truth(islam) from falsehood(paganistic christianity et al). The reformer of an entire race and humanity.... Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wa ahlihi wa salam...

nasiayam:


+100

One of the most articulate, well laid out posts I've had the pleasure of reading.

facheux:
MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).


Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

facheux:
MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (Common Era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.

During this short period of 23 years of his prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian Peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two field, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.

Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to achieve such incredible perfection.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was nothing more or less than a human being. but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Blackfire:


how far my brother?

@facheux did Allah wrote the quran with his hand and drop it for mohamed... Or a spirit dictate it for mohamed who dictate it to his mujahadins .... Or they were things he heard from other religion viz Hindus, Christians, Jews, zoroastans,in mecca and when he used to go on a business trip for khadijat to Syria , which he fine tuned to suit his own personal agenda? .

@deathstroke007 am still waiting for the bible verse that says the mark on mohamed's shoulder proves his prophethood... Do i need to wait till next year?.
Blackfire is here.

Demmzy15:
This people are humans and they're prone to mistakes. No one is perfect, if you christians can be careful as Muslims, then all the nasty stories of your would be filtered out!

Demmzy15:
Malvisguy own is that, he'll be saying rubbish but he still has the guts to continue. When you refute him, he'll just remix the same thing and throw it back at you. The guy is a robot!!

Many of them have run out of strategy, before you came to Nairaland, they were tribalistic, especially to Yoruba Muslims, but when the tables was turned against them they now cry like victims Na God go save us my brother!

unphilaz:


abu dawud and Bhukari who compiled the hadith, were they not under the all knowing and guidance of allahh to have known that what they compiled was a MISTAKE according to you? And if allahh guided them, then its not a mistake and by extension, all hadiths including the op is telling us the true state of things about the prophet which facheux has rightly alluded to by saying 'Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics. "

unphilaz:


abu dawud and Bhukari who compiled the hadith, were they not under the all knowing and guidance of allahh to have known that what they compiled was a MISTAKE according to you? And if allahh guided them, then its not a mistake and by extension, all hadiths including the op is telling us the true state of things about the prophet which facheux has rightly alluded to by saying 'Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics. "

unphilaz:


abu dawud and Bhukari who compiled the hadith, were they not under the all knowing and guidance of allahh to have known that what they compiled was a MISTAKE according to you? And if allahh guided them, then its not a mistake and by extension, all hadiths including the op is telling us the true state of things about the prophet which facheux has rightly alluded to by saying 'Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics. "

Demmzy15:
You're a miserable man, did you care to check the authenticity of this hadeeth?! Here is it:

Grade : Da'if  (Al-Albani)
Reference  : Sunan Abi Dawud 2131
In-book reference  : Book 12, Hadith 86
English translation  : Book 11, Hadith 2126
The hadeeth is unauthentic!

Da`if -weak hadeeth:

A hadith which fails to reach the status of Hasan is Da`if. Usually, the weakness is one of discontinuity in the isnad, in which case the hadith could be Mursal, Mu`allaq, Mudallas, Munqati` or Mu`dal, according to the precise nature of the discontinuity, or one of a reporter having a disparaged character, such as due to his telling lies, excessive mistakes, opposition to the narration of more reliable sources, involvement in innovation, or ambiguity surrounding his person.

The smaller the number and importance of defects, the less severe the weakness. The more the defects in number and severity, the closer the hadith will be to being Maudu` (fabricated).

Some ahadith, according to the variation in the nature of the weakness associated with its reporters, rank at the bottom of the Hasan grade or at the top of the Da`if grade. Reporters such as `Abdullah b. Lahi'ah (a famous judge from Egypt), `Abd al-Rahman b. Zaid b. Aslam, Abu Bakr b. Abi Maryam al-Himsi, Faraj b. Fadalah, and Rishdin b. Sa'd attract such types of varying ranks as they are neither extremely good preservers nor totally abandoned by the traditionists.

O ye Christians change, as for the inbred animals making noise, continue o!!! Your deception has been exposed once again, next?!!

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

unphilaz:


on the underline, how did the status of Hasan come about and the status of Hasan are we sure that they are not mistaken by classifying some hadith as lesser or inaccurate? How are we sure that the status of Hasan is under the guidiance of allahh?

for me, i believe that (and i stand with them) they abu dawud and Bhukari were under the guidance of allahh to which facheux has acknowledged thus

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.[/b]

against your status if hasan which am sure came in the era of awareness and enlightenment.

unphilaz:


on the underline, how did the status of Hasan come about and the status of Hasan are we sure that they are not mistaken by classifying some hadith as lesser or inaccurate? How are we sure that the status of Hasan is under the guidiance of allahh?

for me, i believe that (and i stand with them) they abu dawud and Bhukari were under the guidance of allahh to which facheux has acknowledged thus

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.[/b]

against your status if hasan which am sure came in the era of awareness and enlightenment.

facheux:


Take your loss and move on

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers [b]but even by his prejudiced critics.

facheux:
Unphilaz you getting enough fibre in your diet ?

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

unphilaz:




i believe you were full of fibre when you wrote the above quote ... or you didnt

facheux:
Weak hadith deal with it

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

[s]Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.[/s]

unphilaz:


from this


so you are swallowing your words and acknowledging that you lied and that what abu dawud and Bhukari wrote was false?

to this

facheux:


Hadith is verified weak. Take your loss and move on.

MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (Common Era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.

During this short period of 23 years of his prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian Peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two field, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.

[s]Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.
[/s]

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to achieve such incredible perfection.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was nothing more or less than a human being. but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

unphilaz:


haha so all this is trash... which one no be trash? i think you have shown me one that is trash

yazach:


If with all those explanations, you still say this then:
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Demmzy15:
This people are humans and they're prone to mistakes. No one is perfect, if you christians can be careful as Muslims, then all the nasty stories of your would be filtered out!

facheux:


The hadith is weak. : Vous ne comprenez pas?