onetrack:


That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

What is that which is claimed without evidence if I may ask?

bxcode:

What is that which is claimed without evidence if I may ask?

Show me evidence that 'deep down [atheists] know that god exists'

Speechless3:
Can you prove that logic exist?

Obviously, your reasoning on this thread hardly makes the case.

Is language universal?
Is language a human construct?
What proof do you have that language exists?

Honestly, this kind of silliness shouldn't be encouraged. How can any logical being ask for proof of non-existence? Is this question reasonable?

onetrack:


Show me evidence that 'deep down [atheists] know that god exists'

You are among the unquantifiable evidence that shows that God exists, look all around you, the creators handiwork are screaming at you everywhere you go, from the tiniest of ant to the firmaments to the wonders of nature yet to be unraveled, you can deny that he exists by merely saying you haven't seen him before which to me is pure arrogance and ignorance but that won't change the fact that God exist and you can't just do anything about it.
Good morning.

bxcode:

You are among the unquantifiable evidence that shows that God exists, look all around you, the creators handiwork are screaming at you everywhere you go, from the tiniest of ant to the firmaments to the wonders of nature yet to be unraveled, you can deny that he exists by merely saying you haven't seen him before which to me is pure arrogance and ignorance but that won't change the fact that God exist and you can't just do anything about it.
Good morning.

So how does that prove that we know god exists. You must be all knowing to know what people think.
Those may be evidence to you and your like that your god exists. What if all these are creation of Ra

The argument doesn't hold.

We already know the car is designed. We have billions upon billions of examples of cars being designed by motor companies all across the world, none of which have once - not once - occured naturally. On the other hand, humans occur naturally. Animals occur naturally. Plants and rocks occur naturally. The natural universe occurs naturally. And if you so happen to doubt or disbelieve in the existence of GM motors, we can always avail you with the address to their headquarters where you can happily go to have a look-see 'round.

Speechless3:
The atheist has no fact that God does not exist. All he is left with is his opinion.

What is wrong with atheist having no fact that God exists? Do you have a fact that God exist? If God's existence is a fact, how come atheists dont have this fact?

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frank317:


What is wrong with atheist having no fact that God exists? Do you have a fact that God exist? If God's existence is a fact, atheists won't have a premise or Base to disprove that fact, would they?

HardMirror:

So how does that prove that we know god exists. You must be all knowing to know what people think.
Those may be evidence to you and your like that your god exists. What if all these are creation of Ra

You keep repeating the same question over and over again, showing the nativity of your prejudiced mind. Bro you know that God exist, just cut the chase.
At least from your last sentence also, I can deduce that you acknowledge the existence of a creator.
Trust you had a splendid day

bxcode:

You keep repeating the same question over and over again, showing the nativity of your prejudiced mind. Bro you know that God exist, just cut the chase.
At least from your last sentence also, I can deduce that you acknowledge the existence of a creator.
Trust you had a splendid day

You know obatala created the earth, cut the chase. Hope you have praised obatala today?
You want to force me to believe what you believe?
You say there is god, so do many other cultures. Some worship trees, some rocks, some rivers, some deity, some the sun, some the moon, some animals, some spirits, some the earth. So really which god is god and how do we know?

onetrack:


I'm not saying that only a few people can determine what is logic; however, without an education, some logic will not be easily understood.

Some logic cannot be understood without education? Example pls.
Its just like saying the way we reason-LOGIC cannot be understood except we study. How can you study without logic. How will you know which is right and wrong without the THE BASIC STANDARD OF REASONING.

For the fact that we are having an argument proves logic. We are making use of logic. How? because we all would agree that each one of us is yet convinced by the other side. Is that not logic reasoning? Do you go read books to get it? no. It is there! Without it you cannot tell if a theory is right or wrong.

onetrack:

Math is pure logic. Math can be demonstrated in any number of empirical ways. Therefore, logic exists--as an intellectual construct.

Oh! Yes laws in mathematics are pure logics but not because they have been studied by the scientists and proved twice, thrice but because they are certain and always true and agreed upon in the whole world.

musKeeto:

Obviously, your reasoning on this thread hardly makes the case.

Is language universal?
Is language a human construct?
What proof do you have that language exists?

Honestly, this kind of silliness shouldn't be encouraged. How can any logical being ask for proof of non-existence? Is this question reasonable?

Insult does not equal argument. What proof do i have that language exist? You are joking with that question right?

No theist goes about asking proof for non-existence. Atheists are the ones worrying others with providing proofs for existence of God.

However, if we ask we are only reacting to the absurdity of your thinking. You force us to get worried for you

frank317:


What is wrong with atheist having no fact that God exists? Do you have a fact that God exist? If God's existence is a fact, how come atheists dont have this fact?

No theist goes about asking proof for non-existence. Atheists are the ones worrying others with providing proofs for existence of God.

However, if we ask we are only reacting to the absurdity of your thinking. You force us to get worried for you

EnlightenedSoul:
The argument doesn't hold.

We already know the car is designed. We have billions upon billions of examples of cars being designed by motor companies all across the world, none of which have once - not once - occured naturally. On the other hand, humans occur naturally. Animals occur naturally. Plants and rocks occur naturally. The natural universe occurs naturally. And if you so happen to doubt or disbelieve in the existence of GM motors, we can always avail you with the address to their headquarters where you can happily go to have a look-see 'round.

Enlightenedsoul. I have a question for you.

If i give you a good apple and a bad one (lets say the both appear good) how would you know the spoilt one?

You have 2 options:
1. Your taste buds inform you and then you conclude
2. You look for numerous evidence, thousands, millions of flavours of spoilt apples to know how a spoilt apple taste before concluding.

Speechless3:
No theist goes about asking proof for non-existence. Atheists are the ones worrying others with providing proofs for existence of God.

However, if we ask we are only reacting to the absurdity of your thinking. You force us to get worried for you

What if your child asks you if god exists and how you know he exists.
I ask you as an ignorant man. Please how do you know god exists and which god

Speechless3:
Enlightenedsoul. I have a question for you.

If i give you a good apple and a bad one (lets say the both appear good) how would you know the spoilt one?

You have 2 options:
1. Your taste buds inform you and then you conclude
2. You look for numerous evidence, thousands, millions of flavours of spoilt apples to know how a spoilt apple taste before concluding.

Your point?

HardMirror:

What if your child asks you if god exists and how you know he exists.
I ask you as an ignorant man. Please how do you know god exists and which god

Children dont ask illogical/complex/bookish questions because their minds are still very simple, tender and straight.

Ive never seen a parent teaching his child that God exists? Why? its like saying hunger exists. It is supposed knowledge because the evidence is everywhere.

Speechless3:
Children dont ask illogical/complex/bookish questions because there minds are still very simple, tender and straight.

Ive never seen a parent teaching his child that God exists? Why? its like saying hunger exists. It is supposed knowledge because the evidence is everywhere.

Which of the gods do you worship

Hardmirror stick to the topic pls. Thanks.

Speechless3:
Hardmirror stick to the topic pls. Thanks.

Loool
Ok dear.
So where were we? Oh!
God is equal to logic. We can see logic but believe in logic, therefore we must believe in god.

HardMirror:

Loool
Ok dear.
So where were we? Oh!
God is equal to logic. We can see logic but believe in logic, therefore we must believe in god.

Good boy If you will, answer the question for enlightenedsoul.

Speechless3:
Good boy If you will, answer the question for enlightenedsoul.

If all apples were rotten, you won't see it as rotten. It's all based on experience. You know an apple is rotten only because there are good ones you can compare it to

HardMirror:

If all apples were rotten, you won't see it as rotten. It's all based on experience. You know an apple is rotten only because there are good ones you can compare it to

Rotflooooooooooooooooooool

Atheistic logic : You can only know a rotten apple because there are good ones you can compare it to.

In other words, your tastes buds are useless, they cant be trusted with flavours.

Hold on Did he just say we can only compare with good ones? How would he know the good apples without his taste buds? looooooooooooooool



What does the tip of your taste buds say when you drink juice. Does it communicate something sweet? Can you trust your taste buds that the juice is sweet just by drinking it?

Speechless3:
Rotflooooooooooooooooooool

Atheistic logic : You can only know a rotten apple because there are good ones you can compare it to.

In other words, your tastes buds are useless, they cant be trusted with flavours.

Hold on Did he just say we can only compare with good ones? How would he know the good apples without his taste buds? looooooooooooooool



What does the tip of your taste buds say when you drink juice. Does it communicate something sweet? Can you trust your taste buds that the juice is sweet just by drinking it?

Wld you rather self service with a smooth cucumber or with a bunch of brooms?
You taste buds only helps you tell you the good apples tastes better, but if all apples taste like rotten apples, if you must eat apples then you eat it with it's rotten taste without thinking they are rotten. Not all food tastes sweet. Bitter leaf is bitter but we eat it even though it is better. Beer is not sweet but we take it all the same. what makes your taste bud choose the good apples over the rotten one is because the "good" one still contains chemicals that excites the tongue more than the rotten one.
So how does this fit into the topic at hand?

author=Speechless3


What does the tip of your taste buds say when you drink juice. Does it communicate something sweet? Can you trust your taste buds that the juice is sweet just by drinking it?

Ethylene Glycol tastes sweet yet it is highly toxic. So your tongue being excited by a sweet substance is not enough. You only know fresh apples tastes better because fresh apples exist. If they don't exist how will you know the taste of fresh apples?

HardMirror:

Ethylene Glycol tastes sweet yet it is highly toxic. So your tongue being excited by a sweet substance is not enough. You only know fresh apples tastes better because fresh apples exist. If they don't exist how will you know the taste of fresh apples?

Do you get? I am using the taste bud as a standard for taste because it is accurate and universal.

With our taste buds we can know how bitter, sour, sweet or salty a thing is. And we would always have one conclusion. The taste bud is an established standard for taste.

Apply it to the knowledge of God. For us to know who is saying the truth btw the theist and the atheist, there must be a standard of reasoning that is accurate and universal. Only then can we know

Speechless3:
Do you get? I am using the taste bud as a standard for taste because it is accurate and universal.

With our taste buds we can know how bitter, sour, sweet or salty a thing is. And we would always have one conclusion. The taste bud is an established standard for taste.

Apply it to the knowledge of God. For us to know who is saying the truth btw the theist and the atheist, there must be a standard of reasoning that is accurate and universal. Only then can we know

Ok, please stop beating about the bush. What is the common proof that god exists? And which god?

OP you got your 15minutes.Now close the thread will you.Idiocy is not attractive.

Speechless3:
Laws of Logic are abstract and not material but atheists say they exist! funny. I mean you cant see logical laws but you believe they exist. How so?

Why are they not consistent in their reasoning when it comes to God? God cannot be seen too but atheists say he must be seen first before they believe? Loooooooooooool

Atheism is unreasonable and illogical if you ask me.

You so lucky you a girl putting out this trash because girls got limit to outside the box reasoning, if it were to be a dude I would so unravel his flat out mentally r etarded brain.

Quit already because its all ignorance, All Logic isn't valid that's why logic tends to be inductive and deductive but for atheism, we atheists or atheists such as me don't disprove God existence with logic, we go about it with common sense like the default mindset a baby is born with. Why is that?

Because babies aren't born with religion, he was socialized to accept religion so going atheist means going back to that baby default mind settings applying mere common sense.

aaronson:
You so lucky you a girl putting out this trash because girls got limit to outside the box reasoning, if it were to be a dude I would so unravel his flat out mentally r etarded brain.

Quit already because its all ignorance, All Logic isn't valid that's why logic tends to be inductive and deductive but for atheism, we atheists or atheists such as me don't disprove God existence with logic, we go about it with common sense like the default mindset a baby is born with. Why is that?

Because babies aren't born with religion, he was socialized to accept religion so going atheist means going back to that baby default mind settings applying mere common sense.

Loooooooooooooooooooool

commonwhat? Lololololololol

Quick question for you. Who socialised the first humans on earth?

Ranchhoddas:
OP you got your 15minutes.Now close the thread will you.Idiocy is not attractive.

Loooooool no satan.

HardMirror:

Ok, please stop beating about the bush. What is the common proof that god exists? And which god?

Are you ready to use your head? same way you use your tongue to know taste?