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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by afrika4real(m): 10:25am On Apr 16, 2016
As an engineer...why drafting? jack of all trade...master of none. Focus on what you were trained for. My advice

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 10:42am On Apr 16, 2016
CrzyDamon:
How much do you think it will cost to build this ?
I can't tell by looking at the 3d. If u had the floor plan. I will more easier.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by frank113: 10:44am On Apr 16, 2016
You're are wrong. Those that draw architectural drawings that cannot be build are those ordinary draughtmen that did not see the four walls of the University and not the real architects that studied in the higher institutions.Draughtmen are the ones killing our profession.A civil engineer does not know anything about in building industry cos he is not one of the professionals that makes it up. If as a civil engineer you cannot enterprete a complex architectural drawing doesn't mean that it is not constructable, it is because you are taught or trained to interpret architectural drawings, you are not a professional in the building industries, you are not an architect who is meant to supervised his drawing.Civil engineers are meant to build bridges and roads and not building.Only the architect can supervise his building while he employs a building technologist to build. He is the chief professional in the building industry and employs other professionals. He issues CERTIFICATES OF COMPLETION after six months of the project completions when it comes to government projects.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by walerasheed: 10:46am On Apr 16, 2016
Engineer this is a very good piece of advice...i thought am the only person that notice,that sometimes some architectural drawing,when you see them,u wil think how on earth is this possible,thereby they wil b giving us headache on site,,,,Av done a project wherby it took 8months before d drawing could b corrected...pls d designers should always put so many things into consideration before designing....e.g space nd de should b flexible,,,,a
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by ademoladeji(m): 10:48am On Apr 16, 2016
abdulwastecx:


I know this can be done but the universal beam (UB) connection to the adjacent structures will be a problem

Sorry... I saw the stiffners part

I'm a civil/structural Engineer to start with.

The major problem we've gat is Laziness. We like to spend more time on NL, Facebook, twitter n co but never take time to study Architectural designs n make good structural design.

I was astonished whn I was given a 4 suspended floor structure to design with a swimming pool on the 2nd floor and it's base dropped to nearly the 1st floor. It was the first complex job I did but the experience was quite good because I had to consult Engineers and Google to make good my design.

Most of us Engineers are just so conventional in our ways of thinking but the main pivot is our schools. We were not taught different dynamics of design in relation to workability and budget.


I rest my submission

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by frank113: 11:04am On Apr 16, 2016
Jaymaestro:
what's the difference between civil engnr, building tech and architects ?
An architect designs, interprets and supervises building drawing,he employs the civil engineer to do the structural drawing under the supervision of the architect and also employs the building technologist to build it under his supervision too. He is the chief/key player in the building industry.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by abdulwastecx(m): 11:20am On Apr 16, 2016
frank113:
An architect designs, interprets and supervises building drawing,he employs the civil engineer to do the structural drawing under the supervision of the architect and also employs the building technologist to build it under his supervision too. He is the chief/key player in the building industry.

Architect don't employ civil engineer or supervised them.... Where do you get that from?

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by RaggedyAnn: 11:21am On Apr 16, 2016
shine12:


Zaha was an inspiration to me but She was also known to design structures that are too expensive to be built.About 60% of her designs were never built.Maybe she was beyond our league and we couldn't just see into the future.People like that are gems and people don't start to idolise their work more until they are gone.




Yes, if you're an Architect, then 90% of your conceptions have not been built. But it's still your responsibility to be innovative; and how can you be innovative if you don't start from the impossible? Most ground breaking Designs are Form over Function so expense is secondary. It works when you are lucky to have Clients that want their buildings to make statements first and then shelter people.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 11:32am On Apr 16, 2016
CASTOSVILLA:
Oga park one side and Be more creative with your head. I am an Architect but I don't complain like you guys do when I see an unusual design rather a look for other unknown ways to achieve it. THINK!

When someone tells me that "it can't be done", then I know that I'm talking to a lazy person that doesn't want to step out of his comfort zone.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 11:32am On Apr 16, 2016
Sorry, I didn't say all architects make mistakes or neither am I super experienced and error free.

I am writing based on my experience.
Maybe my clients are using quarks. But its difficult to tell until you have begon the building.

On the issue of fence. Many people were affected by this in Edo State when Oshiomole got into power.
And I tell you till now no compension has been paid. I had to bring a fence just 600mm backwards. Too small but big enough to cry about.

Just weeks ago I got a new site. Very beautiful and complex structure and I was happy I won the contract. Took me a week to plan the building process and cost the whole structure. This design was done by a well known architectural firm in Ogun state.

3 days ago, I mobilized my workers to site to peg the building. Then I discovered the land was just 21x21m and the building was 18x21m.

Every little detail should be considered before design.


Take a look at the design below. Won't tell you the company that did it. But from what I can see on their company website, they have done works in several countries.
Its beautiful, but take a look at the roof. Predict how much water will flow into the terrace at the right when it rains. Still the client didn't want to design changed. Ok ooh.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 11:39am On Apr 16, 2016
shine12:


The beam will have to be ridiculously deep and you will be looking at reinforcement bars of 40mm diameter along with >16 mm diameter links at very close spacing. Such design is wasteful and not ideal.

What if that's what the client wants and he can pay for it?

Let's consider all options.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 11:42am On Apr 16, 2016
victorazy:


Oga! I will keep using Dubai and any other similar city as reference and you can't stop me for doing that.

Human beings differs in knowledge. I don't think as an architect that I can achieve 5m beam using concrete if I don't have about 70% rest of the beam not embedded inside the building if not I will use steel beam.

Don't ever stop reaching higher for inspirations.

Architecture is mostly stagnant in Nigeria. Some of the older buildings from the colonial age has more class and character than new ones.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by troubleshooter: 11:42am On Apr 16, 2016
ChelseaDr:
Op in as much as l admire your courage to put up this piece, l also think you are just trying to advertise yourself which shouldn't be. l'm neither an engineer nor an architect but l think it is against the code of engineering ethics to start advertising ones work or capabilities .lt is only quacks that do that.

Architects are wonderful people who dwell in the realm of the impossible, they believe that all things are possible and it can only take an engineer who also believes in doing the impossible to achieve such. Architects are great people and l admire them may be because l also love drawing and designs.

There are quacks everywhere it is even worse in the medical profession. Op l think it is overstepping your limits to try to correct what an Architect has done, it should be a team work not a show of superiority.

troubleshooter l hail oo, easy easy my man.

I hail u too sir. So sorry u met me here flying off my handle. Was just angered waking up to see this brazen assault on Architecture by some God-knows-who engineer wey sabi finish.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by abdulwastecx(m): 11:46am On Apr 16, 2016
oapeleo:
Sorry, I didn't say all architects make mistakes or neither am I super experienced and error free.

I am writing based on my experience.
Maybe my clients are using quarks. But its difficult to tell until you have begon the building.

On the issue of fence. Many people were affected by this in Edo State when Oshiomole got into power.
And I tell you till now no compension has been paid. I had to bring a fence just 600mm backwards. Too small but big enough to cry about.

Just weeks ago I got a new site. Very beautiful and complex structure and I was happy I won the contract. Took me a week to plan the building process and cost the whole structure. This design was done by a well known architectural firm in Ogun state.

3 days ago, I mobilized my workers to site to peg the building. Then I discovered the land was just 21x21m and the building was 18x21m.

Every little detail should be considered before design.


Take a look at the design below. Won't tell you the company that did it. But from what I can see on their company website, they have done works in several countries.
Its beautiful, but take a look at the roof. Predict how much water will flow into the terrace at the right when it rains. Still the client didn't want to design changed. Ok ooh.

You can actually provide a mouth drain on that roof edge. The pipe taking the water down can then be buried into the wall

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by troubleshooter: 11:49am On Apr 16, 2016
ademoladeji:


Young man, make your case without INSULT please.

Old man, my rejoinder is a mere reaction to a brazen insult on my noble profession which I don't handle with kid gloves. & pls do not be offended cause I owe the practice that duty. Rather I think you should call the Op to order to mind his Engineering business. He shld rather hav talked about the building industry not scape-goating Architecture.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 11:55am On Apr 16, 2016
troubleshooter:


I hail u too sir. So sorry u met me here flying off my handle. Was just angered waking up to see this brazen assault on Architecture by some God-knows-who engineer wey sabi finish.

No offence please.
I am not insulting your profession, neither did I say I have a million years experience. If you go through my post well, pick a part you believe am wrong, correct me and provide solutions. Thanks
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Innophyno(m): 11:58am On Apr 16, 2016
cassidy1996:
i agree with you bro, its difficult to actually build what you see on the PC screen. these days we have so many
computer aided drawing software's, most people can draw what they think, but building it in real life is a big problem and most of our engineers and technicians are not competent. i have worked with many of them.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 11:58am On Apr 16, 2016
Emeka71:
I'm thinking of buying a land and buying a tent for my residential.

It's been done and done well.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Innophyno(m): 11:59am On Apr 16, 2016
Pls mmorpg
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 12:01pm On Apr 16, 2016
troubleshooter:
1st of all, the Hogwash u put up here shld be retitled 'MISTAKES DRAUGHTSMEN MAKE'.
If u are not a quack and truly a registered engineer (as u so claim) u Shld know better that this rubbish presentation is against ur COREN ethics of professional practice. An Architect is the head of a project team and u correct his drawings?!!!.... Under what moral authority?
Buildings are falling down all over lagos & u haven't deemed it fit to address that log in ur eye, rather u occupy urself with the vain pursuit of removing a speck in the eye of some profession u know nothing about.
Come to think of it, so u think this trash u put up equates to what is taught in 6yrs of architecture school?
With all ur hallowed experience u deem it fit that a 1metre setback is Better than the 3m as contained in building bye-laws? U are a wonder! Pity the ignorant public cld still applaud ur quackness.
Pple like u are the reason why we are where we are as a country. Jack of many trades, master of zilch.
Thank you sir, you spoke my mind, I was first eager to see what he wanted to write when I saw d topic but became vexed immediately he wrote d first sentence



Am a student of Architecture and I can't make this mistakes talk less of professionals that have NIA certification....


Al this so so engineer sef!! angry

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by abdulwastecx(m): 12:01pm On Apr 16, 2016
oapeleo:


No offence please.
I am not insulting your profession, neither did I say I have a million years experience. If you go through my post well, pick a part you believe am wrong, correct me and provide solutions. Thanks

I believe you have done a great job pointing out all those simple mistakes sir....
When people start giving examples of Dubai high rise building when discussing Nigeria built environment where 90% of structures at e simple reinforced concrete building of not more than three floors.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by abdulwastecx(m): 12:02pm On Apr 16, 2016
MidasTouche:
Thank you sir, you spoke my mind, I was first eager to see what he wanted to write when I saw d topic but became vexed immediately he wrote d first sentence



Am a student of Architecture and I can't make this mistakes talk less of professionals that have NIA certification....


Al this so so engineer sef!! angry

Oga student architect, many registered architect make too many silly mistake.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 12:06pm On Apr 16, 2016
abdulwastecx:


Oga student architect, many registered architect make too many silly mistake.



Nobody is a paragon of knowledge, and mistakes are inevitable



But the ones this oga is talking about can only be made by 'quacks'
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by jojoki: 12:10pm On Apr 16, 2016
CASTOSVILLA:
Engineer of block work, decking, 12mm rod 16mm pillar, beams, parapet Infact that's all you know. Grow beyond your laziness bro, that is not how to be an engineer.

Odeeee, only God knew when you graduated from school, maybe 4 or 5 yrs and you have the effrontery to open your stinking mouth by quoting me. Well what I meant by unrealistic drawing may be too harsh word but am really surprised how stup.id you claimed to be. You are an ordinary draftsman claiming to be an Architect. Smh
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by ademoladeji(m): 12:12pm On Apr 16, 2016
troubleshooter:


Old man, my rejoinder is a mere reaction to a brazen insult on my noble profession which I don't handle with kid gloves. & pls do not be offended cause I owe the practice that duty. Rather I think you should call the Op to order to mind his Engineering business. He shld rather hav talked about the building industry not scape-goating Architecture.

Chief Architect, kindly read up all posts above and fish out where insults were dropped. Someone might be ignorant of another profession but I think it's better to get ourselves enlightened rather than insulting.

I'm not offended bros, we're all learning one way or the other.

Lemme ask you these questions:

1. What are the roles of NIA and ARCON in the architectural practices in Nigeria?

2. What will you say about those 'Architects' that are encroaching the M&E profession by making the M&E drawings themselves

I just needed to be enlightened on those two. No attacks please.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by emror4u(m): 12:15pm On Apr 16, 2016
They are not to me bro, speak for yourself. If a trained engineer doesn't know simple stuffs like that, how then an he perform when given higher tasks?

And to the second highlighted, maybe you worked with quacks..
abdulwastecx:


In ability to interpret the size of block in inches is not a yardstick to determine if he is good or not.
Metric to imperical measurement is confusing even for University trained engineers or architect.

The world is moving fast and information are freely more available, you can learn a lot of things now through video tutorial and a draft man can be very good with conceptualization of building plans etc.

I have worked with lots of architect that can't use grid properly, they don't know that multi storey design depends heavily on grid system you adopt and when you want to do such structural design you run into lot of problem.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 12:15pm On Apr 16, 2016
routsz:


Op, I won't even respond to the dust you are raising with Architects - cos it was only a ploy by you to draw attention to yrself and thread.

But guy, from the quoted above, you are only here looking for 'customers' for your business. By all statutes, codes & regulations, no Engineer will resort to this kind of unethical advert you're doing here.

Yes, you come across as a qua. ck. Thank you

Please am not drawing any attention to myself. If you see it so, den its your interpretation. I just introduced myself and made the readers know I am qualified enough to make this observations and learn also.

If you read through my post, there is nothing wrong or insultive. We all know there are quarks in every profession. This post is just to help builders and allow well trained architects to contribute.

You could tell me ways to spot quark architects. That's the response I was expecting. Thanks
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by diegwu01: 12:19pm On Apr 16, 2016
oapeleo:
Sorry, I didn't say all architects make mistakes or neither am I super experienced and error free.

I am writing based on my experience.
Maybe my clients are using quarks. But its difficult to tell until you have begon the building.

On the issue of fence. Many people were affected by this in Edo State when Oshiomole got into power.
And I tell you till now no compension has been paid. I had to bring a fence just 600mm backwards. Too small but big enough to cry about.

Just weeks ago I got a new site. Very beautiful and complex structure and I was happy I won the contract. Took me a week to plan the building process and cost the whole structure. This design was done by a well known architectural firm in Ogun state.

3 days ago, I mobilized my workers to site to peg the building. Then I discovered the land was just 21x21m and the building was 18x21m.

Every little detail should be considered before design.


Take a look at the design below. Won't tell you the company that did it. But from what I can see on their company website, they have done works in several countries.
Its beautiful, but take a look at the roof. Predict how much water will flow into the terrace at the right when it rains. Still the client didn't want to design changed. Ok ooh.
If you were an experienced builder, you would know all the Rain water heading to that terrace could be channeled without a drop landing on that terrace from the roof.
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Reference(m): 12:25pm On Apr 16, 2016
RaggedyAnn:





Yes, if you're an Architect, then 90% of your conceptions have not been built. But it's still your responsibility to be innovative; and how can you be innovative if you don't start from the impossible? Most ground breaking Designs are Form over Function so expense is secondary. It works when you are lucky to have Clients that want their buildings to make statements first and then shelter people.

Just love the way you think. If one is an architect and doesn't have a vault filled with ideas, concepts and blue prints just waiting for the right client then you are a beggarly, hand to mouth charlatan. Go to auto shows, what do you see, the latest model and the concept side by side. That is the present and the future. Good architects don't run around finding a design to match their client but a client to actualise their dreams. Just look at the buildings in Nigeria, resembling poorly raised siamese twins. Tasteless works of lazy practitioners. Yet those same clients who they claim cannot afford it wear designer suits, use high tech gadgetry and drive lexuses who say 'we are in pursuit of excellence'.

I called Samsung to instal airconditioners and gave strict orders. I don't want to see cables or gas lines in and out only for the chap to tell me how impossible that was and catalogued how many have tried and failed. I felt like kicking his teeth in.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 12:30pm On Apr 16, 2016
diegwu01:
If you were an experienced builder, you would know all the Rain water heading to that terrace could be channeled without a drop landing on that terrace from the roof.

Uncle correcter,
Did you see the area of that roof,
Did you see the angle its inclinde,
Did you consider what the velocity of flow will do to your drop landing.

There are calculations that are made before a proper
solution is adviced. And if the solution will affect the aesthetics of the building and if the solution is worth the extra money, rather than a proper redesig.

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by victorazy(m): 12:36pm On Apr 16, 2016
AreOnaKakanfo:


Don't ever stop reaching higher for inspirations.

Architecture is mostly stagnant in Nigeria. Some of the older buildings from the colonial age has more class and character than new ones.

God bless you sir!

The word "impossibility" is not in my dictionary.

I dream big and refuse the life of mediocrity

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by erico2k2(m): 12:36pm On Apr 16, 2016
CrzyDamon:
How much do you think it will cost to build this ?
Sometimes some buildings are not meant to be built in our environment co's of its geographical location ie basement. This building falls I to that catigory

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