xtervaganza:
how do you sleep at night with all these lies?

hopefulLandlord:


Pls Click This Link and give us the right answers, thanks

ireneony:
There are better things to discuss about other than all these gibberish. Op i sense you still live under a comfortable roof..cos you have time to analyse everything

mostHandsome01:
guys, stop wasting ur precious time with these Atheist, for dey have eyes and yet cannot see, they have ears and still cannot hear, their heart has been freeze like ice which cant melt except God chooses to make the see the light himself,

many Atheists that later realise the truth, a huge percentage of them didnt figure out the truth by sessions of baseless arguments, but by personal encounter with God,

REMEMBER the story of saul in the bible who later became paul (Acts chapter 9) he was a well known persecutor of God's followers, no man could change him until he had a 1 on 1 encounter with God which change is Life forever.

so guys, dnt try to change these people, rather pray they have a personal conviction or God comes to their rescue bfor it becomes too late.

cooncudee:
tis a copy and paste work jor, im sure he does not even know if the assumptions in the essay are true representation of facts, he just thought "what an interesting write up, lemme post it on nairaland".

WORLDPEACE:

My response to him was to show him he needs to come fully prepared. He should not bring up points that don't support the argument. Like the OP said, Atheists too are guilty of ignorant argument.

KingEbukasBlog:


Tooth fairies were clearly invented in stories

Since you actually agree that Elijah did clear the doubts of the baal prophets , then why do you still doubt ? So its obvious you are seeking for a personal evidence to clear your doubts .

If you finally have one , will you agree that God exists ?

I simply countered your argument , I'm not an agnostic christian .

God is not a concept so whatever knowledge discovered will not affect his existence .

But from your perspective , the knowledge about the universe keeps making the reality of His existence more glaring than ever .

Look up "deny" in the dictionary .

1 [ with obj. ] state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of: both firms deny any responsibility for the tragedy.
• refuse to admit the truth of (a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence):
ex. an anti-environmentalist campaign group that denies climate change.

KingEbukasBlog:


In our fallen human condition, if God were to fully reveal Himself to us, we would be consumed and destroyed. Therefore, God veils Himself and appears in forms in which we can “see” Him. However, this is different than seeing God with all His glory and holiness displayed. People have seen visions of God, images of God, and appearances of God, but no one has ever seen God in all His fullness

hopefulLandlord:


Is that your answer to the link?

neocortex:


1. means that logic is sufficient for objective truths while spiritual beliefs requires
faith hence any attempt to superimpose logic on faith is illogical.

2. Personally, I do not debate peoples belief in spirituality/faith unless they try
to make unprovable claim that their faith have consequences on others or project
their personal faiths.

Kgdavid:


1. That is the fallacy of composition. That logic can prove some objective beliefs does not mean it can be applied to prove all. When it comes to atheism, logic tells us that life must have started somewhere and that all things must come from something or someone. Logic also makes us realize that for the preceding principle to be true then we need to ask where the source came from. For which we have no simple answer. Logic then leads us to conclude that the truth must be something beyond the realm of known logical non-spiritual realities. Thus belief in the supernatural is entirely logical.

cooncudee:
you just hit the nail on the head, such arguments are only a waste of time and energy, it even makes matters worse when its baseless, a personal encounter is what some ppl need

KingEbukasBlog:
A common and legitimate criticism of the atheist worldview is that atheism is illogical and irrational . Atheists claim to be logical while their arguments are suffused with logical fallacies

Below are a number of logical fallacies that atheists commonly commit.(Logical fallacy 1-5 and 9) were gotten from here

[size=14pt]1. Atheists and the fallacy of exclusion[/size]

The fallacy of exclusion is a logical fallacy where "Important evidence which would undermine an inductive argument is excluded from consideration. The requirement that all relevant information be included is called the 'principle of total evidence.

A . Fallacy of exclusion and the denial that Jesus existed

A classic use of the exclusion fallacy committed by many atheists is the denial that Jesus Christ ever existed.

Despite their being an abundance of historical evidence for Jesus Christ living in the first century, many atheists embarrassingly claim the Jesus never existed

In an article titled Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth, Christopher Price wrote concerning individuals who insist that Jesus Christ was merely a mythical figure:

I have often been asked why more academics do not take the time to respond to the Jesus Myth theory. After looking into this question, I discovered that most historians and New Testament scholars relevant to the topic have concluded that Jesus Mythers are beyond reason and therefore decide that they have better things to do with their time

B. Unreasonable and inconsistent evidential standards

Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God.

Atheists demand proof and evidence for other worldviews, yet there is no proof and evidence that atheism is true. Also, despite the abundant evidence for Christianity and the lack of proof and evidence for atheism, atheist reject the truth of Christianity. Atheists refuse to go where the evidence clearly leads.

In addition, when atheist make claims related to naturalism, make personal claims or make accusations against theists, they often employ lax evidential standards instead of employing rigorous evidential standards.

Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), is one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology. He wrote a very revealing comment. It demonstrates the implicit philosophical bias against Genesis creation — regardless of whether or not the facts support it.

Lewtontin wrote:

“ Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that Miracles may happen.

”
The evolutionist and immunologist Dr. Scott Todd, an immunologist at Kansas State University, perfectly epitomized the irrational evolutionary denial of the evidence for creation in his correspondence to the science journal Nature. Dr. Scott wrote: "Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic


C. Atheism and extraordinary claims

Western Atheists often claim that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", yet they have no proof and evidence that the extraordinary claim of non-life becoming the first life solely through natural processes is true .

KingEbukasBlog:
JackBizzle

This type of thread is above your level ooo . Go and open your dead threads with poorly reasoned out thoughts

neocortex:


The bolded is pure speculation which will only lead to a circular logic, all things may have started from
many sources or nothing at all.

Ignorance can never be an excuse/prove of a supernatural/god,
everything in nature is natural, except you have conflicting
evidence.

From your own writing, you don't know how the supposed source came
about, how does that logically lead you to believe in an unproven supernatural ?
Don't you see that your conclusion doesn't follow ?

neocortex:

Prove the above.

I do not agree, it is just a scene from a story book you believed in and I thought
you will be happy to follow elijahs model instead of wasting energy on unfounded
propositions.

It is a simple case, same way I like other rational humans don't
spend time making claim that the sun or water don't exists, it is only logical
for me to accept the existence of a proven human-independent god.

You can't argue by being everybody at the same time that can only mean
that you have no solid point of reference.

Mind proving the bolded,

on one hand your statement shows you are absolutely
certain of the existence of your god on the other hand
you want others to not be sure of their disbelief since "we
don't know much about the universe"(that is relativist fallacy).
You actually lack the moral right to prescribe what you yourself
won't subscribe to.

Where the hell did you get these from ?

Let me help you if you can't check your dictionary for the word "deny"

[quote]Since your god exists only in your head, it can only be disbelieved not denied.
Are you clear ?

neoapocalypse:



The least you can do is to give credit to the real owners of the article

Zikdik:
I hope you know your copied article's logic is sh*t though.

neoapocalypse:



The article isn't even yours

akpobi:
KingEbukasBlog,naira land has the highest number of atheists.

Even wben the evidence is placed in front of them,they still can't see it

MrsPhyno:
Actually a bit surprised at most of the arguments here. Something along the lines of "but you do it too!!" Or "Don't ask foolish questions" is mostly what I see.

Interesting thread.

Zikdik:
You love generalizing, don't ya? I wanted to compose a credible reply but very few here on Nairaland deserve that. I hope you know your copied article's logic is sh*t though.

One more thing, being an atheist isn't about philosophy and logic and science. It does not take rocket science to figure that Santa only exists in mythology and folklore.

WORLDPEACE:

That's wishful thinking. Groupthink is in every area of life; politics, religion, Academics- everywhere. As long as people share a common ideology they are prone to groupthink. We are social beings and we want acceptance in the group to which belong. This might make us not want to think an idea further or express our opinion when we feel or think otherwise. You may not disagree with a statement but if you are not certain about it and yet you don't say "please let's deliberate on this a little more before drawing our final conclusion", you are guilty of groupthink. We know how many times we've all been guilty of this. Atheist can and have been guilty of groupthink many times.

KingEbukasBlog:


Absolutely ludicrous

You should say there could be no evidence for his personal God not the Supreme Being .

Is the Supreme Being also a personal God - that's another argument .