Eastern region had no free education scheme, yet we had more of our people enrolled in school than the west, because we had far more superior administrators and master planners who came up with a better scheme known as "Ibu anyi ndada scheme".

We have always been capitalists and not socialists and devised policies that made sure our systems worked better than the rest of the country, because we had always been blessed with superior technocrats.

MadamExcellency:
Industrial Estates in Aba and Portharcourt were developed by Micheal Opara, the premier of eastern region. To say that nothing happen in the Eastern region was a blanket lie. Just because everything that stood or moved was bombed into oblivion during the 30 months civil war doesn't mean that there wasn't massive development from today's Cross river up to Anambra State.

You want to tell me you know better than Clark bah.why is it difficult to embrace the truth.what he said was an historical fact.Please learn to embrace the truth. Some of you are just not happy cause you have built all your fake stories on stuff you are no witness to.The funny thing is even when you are lying to others you know in your heart you are not truthful.

I feel extremely sorry for the number of unsuspecting people & sets of learners of history that paid scipt writers like @igboid must have sucks off through history revisionism & flaccid cheastbeating charade. How could you insinuate that universal primary education(UPE) wasn't adopted in the east when it is an open secret that it s adoption in the east failed due to lack of sufficient financial resorces. How could you say eastern initiatives were not socialistic, when in fact Okpara adopted socialism ideology as premier of eastern region. You guys are lying merchants. Y'all should rise from the dust of lies but i strongly doubt if you would. No time for radarada.
Kiss the truth!

chrisblack:
You want to tell me you know better than Clark bah.why is it difficult to embrace the truth.what he said was an historical fact.Please learn to embrace the truth. Some of you are just not happy cause you have built all your fake stories on stuff you are no witness to.The funny thing is even when you are lying to others you know in your heart you are not truthful.

Clark is a senile ignorant dumb fellow.

He had no documented stats to back his rhetorics. It's obvious he was trying to curry favour from Yorubas by reciting your media falsehoods to you.

There are simply no facts to back his claims.

The East had more children enrolled in schools despite no free education, because we found better means to get them to enroll.

The East had industrial estates all over the. Eastern region and had them all powered by Oji river power plant. Infact, the East produced the highest amount of electricity amongst all the regions.

The East didn't have any need to build an edifice( Cocoa) house for the sake of building it. We had better things to do with our revenue.

Economic activities in the East was booming as we had more registered credit association members than the rest of the country.

Our better standard of living were reflected in the more number of registered vehicles and hospitals in the East than anywhere else in the country.


All these facts are in direct conflict with the picture of a broke East Clark was trying to paint.

" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand. Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education. Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north.

These are the facts facing you , Mr timeman, and it's not different from available stats from JAMB, WAEC, unity schools, etc of today.

The East as of 1953 was educationally ahead of the western region. We found a system of UBE that incorporated the missionaries, parents and govt , and did wonders with it.

We never needed free education, we found a way around that conundrum.

chrisblack:
You want to tell me you know better than Clark bah.why is it difficult to embrace the truth.what he said was an historical fact.Please learn to embrace the truth. Some of you are just not happy cause you have built all your fake stories on stuff you are no witness to.The funny thing is even when you are lying to others you know in your heart you are not truthful.

Okay,
Can you please help me ask Clark who built the University of Nigeria, the Eastern TV in 1959,the industrial park mentioned so far, the power plants,the 6 million pounds Niger bridge etc etc.
Also ask him while the FG was so much interested in port Harcourt that they tried very hard to turn it into a non-igbo city through different policies.
And if the west was so rich, why did they go to war because of oil and why did your forebears demonstrate asking De Gaul to leave their oil during the war.
I still have more questions but let you people answer this for now.

It's very important for Clark to paint a false picture of a broke Eastern region incapable of funding education and industrialization pre civil war.

As it fits his fantasy Of the East amounting to nothing without non minorities crude oil discovery.

This agenda of a broke East is necessary also for the Yoruba, north and other Igbophobic agents out there, as it fuels their propaganda of the East decision to secede being crude oil driven in 1966 and the East not being to make it today, without minorities crude oil.

But this is where they all failed. Cos we all know that the East was head and shoulders above the rest of the country between 1953-66, without the crude oil.

We can start arguing about which region is more developed today. But facts show that the western region was years ahead of its peers. That's why we were the first to achieve most things in Nigeria. We will always take pride in what we the Yorba achieved in a very short time and always be grateful to chief awolowo for being such a visionary. This we can't argue about

This topic is very irrelevant anyway and has been overdone.

Lagos was the colonial center of Nigeria for decades, money the British got from the oil trade they started using to build Lagos hence all the railways and telegraph lines starting in Lagos because of Europeans, naturally new technology would diffuse from there and the logistics would make it easier since Lagos was the official port.

All of this stuff happened with heavy support from the British, the first university people are bragging about was an offshoot of Oxbridge in London. The question should be the viability of each region if left to their own today.

Igboid:


Other than your Lagos - Ibadan express way falsehood derived self praises.

Its a well known and documented fact that the Eastern region was head and shoulders above Western region in all aspects of development between 1950- 1966.

But Yorubas are not trooping to our region, why?

chibuzorAbia:


But Yorubas are not trooping to our region, why?

Sha! Keep shut there and stop pretending to be what/whom you're not! Our region indeed!!

chrisblack:
You want to tell me you know better than Clark bah.why is it difficult to embrace the truth.what he said was an historical fact.Please learn to embrace the truth. Some of you are just not happy cause you have built all your fake stories on stuff you are no witness to.The funny thing is even when you are lying to others you know in your heart you are not truthful.

Get lost, we are talking about reality with verifiable and concrete evidences and here you are magnifying gossips from old man.

When you talk of human capital which is the highest and best resources for development a region can boast of, eastern region got the best in Nigeria before the war - Fact.

Zik wasn't the premier of Eastern Region and moreover, Aba was a British outpost with visible developments. Onitsha was developed to a modern city before the war while Calabar, Enugu and Portharcourt were fast on industrial developments.

What is there to believe from Clarke? That palm oil and coal were not generating income or foreign exchange.

MayorofLagos:
Today, many Nigerians regard oil money as a curse so people are now talking about agriculture, solid mineral and so forth. But the earlier these things are developed, the better it would be for Nigeria so that the pressure on certain areas in this country would be minimized because in the past only Niger Delta produced oil and everybody was grateful.

I remember in 1956 when oil was discovered, the Prime Minister congratulated the Premier of Eastern Nigeria for joining the club economically.
This is because at that time there was true federalism in the country.

Today we have 36 states built from nowhere. In the constitution of Nigeria the creation of new states depended on a number of criteria but each administration that assumed office in Nigeria believed that was an opportunity to create states for their own people so they created all sorts of states that are not viable with many local governments. For instance Lagos state is supposed to have the largest population in Nigeria and it has only 18 or 20 local government councils whereas Kano and Jigawa put together have almost 50 local government councils. Everybody depends upon the oil resources in the country. The constitution provides that for a state to exist, you must have a number of local government councils. But Bayelsa state was created with only 8 local government councils whereas Bayelsa state, I believe should have had 15 or 20 local government councils to qualify as a state. When you have a powerful ruler, you have more local government councils, then you have more states created in your area.

But as I said earlier on, in the first republic there were three regions; Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe was in charge of Eastern Nigeria, Chief Obafemi Awolowo in the Western Nigeria and Ahmadu Bello for Northern Nigeria. They created this federation and they said everyone must be equal. No citizen of one region was superior to the other. I believe each region should be developed at its own pace. The development of one region shouldn’t prevent the other one from going ahead.

So you can see why Western Nigeria was self governing earlier before the other regions.

[size=20pt]Awolowo was able to develop the Western Nigeria; in 1958 the first primary school in Nigeria was free in the Western Nigeria but both Eastern and Northern Nigeria couldn’t do it. The tallest building in Nigeria which is the Cocoa house was built in Ibadan. There was Ikeja industrial estate, Apapa industrial estate, there was Lagos, there was Ibadan stadium there were good roads. [/size]

And could you imagine that even though Midwest region was created later which was part of Western Nigeria, the television which was brought in 1958 or 1959 wasn’t extended to the Midwest region simply because they said it didn’t contribute to the economy of Western Nigeria in the sharing of the assets. When Midwest was created even up till the time I was commissioner for finance, the Western Nigeria refused to share the assets and liabilities as provided in the constitution. Today the assets and liabilities of the whole Western region were shared amongst the six Yoruba states of Western Nigeria.

[size=20pt]The Odua Investment Company is the largest state owned company in Nigeria today. Ahmadu Bello developed the Kaduna capital territory, the Ahmadu Bello stadium, Kano industrial centre, and Ahmadu Bello University. But what did the Eastern region do? They had no money. There was no money coming from the palm oil so they were not able to do many of these things.[/size]

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/nigeria-56-cant-separate-force-clark-tells-igbo-youths/

God bless the SW, Yorubas.
We lead others follow

Happy sunday

sunnyb0b0:


Facts are sacred. See attached and hide your head in shame

What facts are you talking about? I think you are confused.

Cocoa is limited to Western Nigeria. Palm Oil is obtainable everywhere in the Southern forests, from Ondo all the way along the forest belt to Ogoja. Palm oil produce is harvested in all these forests. The table you produced does not support your argument for fact because it does not itemize the produce by region in which it is produced.

Moreover, you completely misunderstood Clark. Baba Clark is talking about indigenous leadership and development, removed from Colonial legacy.

He kept talking about what Awolowo did and Ahmadu Bello did and Zik did not do......he never subscribed to what Britain left or did.

Get some sense.....

MayorofLagos:


What facts are you talking about? I think you are confused.

Cocoa is limited to Western Nigeria. Palm Oil is obtainable everywhere in the Southern forests, from Ondo all the way along the forest belt to Ogoja. Palm oil produce is harvested in all these forests. The table you produced does not support your argument for fact because it does not itemize the produce by region in which it is produced.

Moreover, you completely misunderstood Clark. Baba Clark is talking about indigenous leadership and development, removed from Colonial legacy.

He kept talking about what Awolowo did and Ahmadu Bello did and Zik did not do......he never subscribed to what Britain left or did.

Get some sense.....

Clark said that palm oil was not bringing in anything and not whether it was found in other regions.
Imagine some time in the future somebody comes to tell us that Niger delta was not developing because crude oil was not selling and your argument is that crude oil is also found in ondo state.

kenny987:


Sha! Keep shut there and stop pretending to be what/whom you're not! Our region indeed!!

Yes our region. What is your problem? Afonja!

MadamExcellency:


This one hasn't moved out of his region since birth. Btw, how is Chinyere?

All I wrote were Statements of fact which happened before the war. Michael Opara was the first premier in eastern region.

Thank you my sister. My Chinyere don graduate and she dey happy as she don receive letter to come start for Alausa. She want to change her name for fear of being targeted as Ibo. I told her keep it and use her Yoruba middle name and marriage name for official documents. Na Tokunbo find her the job sef. Im blessed to have two wives that get along and care for each other and always make me happy. God is great, Allahu Akbar!! I pray God bless you too and your household.


Baba Clark is highlighting a root cause of the war and showing us that Ibo generally misplaced their priorities. Im surprised how people read articles and loose discernment in the message.

I dont want to go into the trouble of explaining everything the man is alluding to here. Start from the topic of the article....he warns Igbo not to force separation. He then talked about a time when we had regionalism and how each region performed or failed to perform and what it led to. He even touched on the first coup and why it was the genesis of the war.

So in effect he is talking to Igbo that you are in same position today as you were in the 50s and 60s and whether unitary or regionalism not much is in your favor unless you correct the errors of leadership.

Zik went and sat in West and was struggling with Awo to own West, while his own region rot.

Isnt that the same position East is in today? What are your leaders and elites doing today? They abandoned developing home and competing with Yoruba over who contributes the highest to the development of Lagos. So when we go regional what you enjoy as national cake today will dry up and you will have to look inward to develop. Yoruba will not develop your land...matter of fact they will cut you off like they did with Midwest.

So reflect on his message and discern the spirit....

timeman:
The achievements of Awo & SW at large are well documented, however SE region stumbled in mediocrity going by the standards of the first republic. Azikiwe was a misfit to this country, the death of herbert macqulay was so grave that zik had to step into a role much bigger than his political acumen. Zik's sagacity & activism was rather best served in the press. Talking about political calculations & dexterity he was a failure colossus. A celebrated tribalist under the guise of nationalist. He coveted SW so much so he would nuture his ambitions in SW than in the east. He performed absymally low as the premier of eastern region.
@Madam Excellency, you almost always flatter to deceive. Okpara was not the first premier but Zik was. Note also, that okpara was by far a better performer than Zik despite the former was his political student.
@MayorofLagos, kindly save yourself the stress for her intelligence is highly watered down. She would only bore you with her unsoundmindedly jargons.
Obey the truth!

Madam, here it is, properly dissected by timeman.
If i had been patient to read through everything before responding i would have just quoted him and saved myself the trouble of that explanation earlier.

Timeman, Madam is my sister. She is the only Ibo woman i have time for in nairaland. The rest are yeye, especially that freak called freeglobe.

MayorofLagos:


What facts are you talking about? I think you are confused.

Cocoa is limited to Western Nigeria. Palm Oil is obtainable everywhere in the Southern forests, from Ondo all the way along the forest belt to Ogoja. Palm oil produce is harvested in all these forests. The table you produced does not support your argument for fact because it does not itemize the produce by region in which it is produced.

Moreover, you completely misunderstood Clark. Baba Clark is talking about indigenous leadership and development, removed from Colonial legacy.

He kept talking about what Awolowo did and Ahmadu Bello did and Zik did not do......he never subscribed to what Britain left or did.

Get some sense.....

Keep deluding yourself.

Cross River state is the second largest producer in Nigeria in case you don't know.

While Zik fought for national interests, the other two fought for regional interests.

Igboid:
[b] Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:
" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand. Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education. Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965) [/b]

Separating Yoruba and anti Igbo falsehoods of non Igbos( the kind which Clark and other Igbo hating minorities represent) from facts. It couldn't have been better put than the above facts and figures.

Paul Anber was an associate of Chinua Achebe. So it is well understood why Paul, who is a foreigner and un-intimate with any other region but the Ibo society, would comment in favor of East....afterall his feeder, Achebe was a member of the Biafran propaganda think tank. Achebe was also notorious for manipulating and changing records from their truths. There is correlation between his writings and the timing of the war and thus can be categotized as a war sympathizer and discredited as a biased informant.

Do me a favor, since he sourced his facts from the Nigerian archive, do you not think you will be better served presenting the material directly from archives than through a middleman whose credibility is in question?

Make me a believer and give me your facts from the Federal Office of Statics.

Igboid:


Other than your Lagos - Ibadan express way falsehood derived self praises.

Its a well known and documented fact that the Eastern region was head and shoulders above Western region in all aspects of development between 1950- 1966.

Prove it

chibuzorAbia:


But Yorubas are not trooping to our region, why?

Don't be sheepish, this is about historical accounts, many things have happened since then to have the status quo as it is.

"In 1929, ethnic groups (according to regions) in Enugu town were represented in the
following proportions:

From Northern Nigeria – 2%
From Western Nigeria – 10%
From Eastern Nigeria – 87% (Coastal tribes, such as Calabar, etc. – 2%; Igbo – 85%)
(Hair, 1954:3)."

http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/papers/90623

sunnyb0b0:


Keep deluding yourself.

Cross River state is the second largest producer in Nigeria in case you don't know.

While Zik fought for national interests, the other two fought for regional interests.

It is not the ranking..the fact is it exists in all the forest belts. Cocoa on the other hand was only in West, nowhere else.

Thats what Elder Clark is telling you...that Zik had his priorities wrong just as your leaders today who are pumping money into Kano, Abuja and Lagos and leaving East to rot.

MayorofLagos:


Paul Anber was an associate of Chinua Achebe. So it is well understood why Paul, who is a foreigner and un-intimate with any other region but the Ibo society, would comment in favor of East....afterall his feeder, Achebe was a member of the Biafran propaganda think tank. Achebe was also notorious for manipulating and changing records from their truths. There is correlation between his writings and the timing of the war and thus can be categotized as a war sympathizer and discredited as a biased informant.

Do me a favor, since he sourced his facts from the Nigerian archive, do you not think you will be better served presenting the material directly from archives than through a middleman whose credibility is in question?

Make me a believer and give me your facts from the Federal Office of Statics.

Do you have any stat contrary to those stated by Anber?
Any stat whatsoever from a third party to corroborate Yoruba falsehood of Western region ever being ahead of Eastern region?
Initially, Yorubas said that there was no character known as Paul Anber, that he is a fictional character, now the argument is that he is a friend of Achebe and doctored his report.

MayorofLagos:


It is not the ranking..the fact is it exists in all the forest belts. Cocoa on the other hand was only in West, nowhere else.

Thats what Elder Clark is telling you...that Zik had his priorities wrong just as your leaders today who are pumping money into Kano, Abuja and Lagos and leaving East to rot.

Cocoa was grown in the East too, but at a lesser quantity.

Clark made no point but just to repeat Yoruba propaganda.

Negro Ntns why you dey open this kind yeye, illiterate thread just to sniff igbo nyash (your pet fetish)

MayorofLagos:


It is not the ranking..the fact is it exists in all the forest belts. Cocoa on the other hand was only in West, nowhere else.

Thats what Elder Clark is telling you...that Zik had his priorities wrong just as your leaders today who are pumping money into Kano, Abuja and Lagos and leaving East to rot.

And Cross River state is where?

ezeagu:
This topic is very irrelevant anyway and has been overdone.

Lagos was the colonial center of Nigeria for decades, money the British got from the oil trade they started using to build Lagos hence all the railways and telegraph lines starting in Lagos because of Europeans, naturally new technology would diffuse from there and the logistics would make it easier since Lagos was the official port.

All of this stuff happened with heavy support from the British, the first university people are bragging about was an offshoot of Oxbridge in London. The question should be the viability of each region if left to their own today.

Even in current pace, West is still the pioneer and most advanced. The yardstick of measure is to look at which regions today, under unitary system, is able to operate in parallel with the center and would not miss the center if it were to dissolve. Only West can say that and show it effectively. Everyone else is a pretender,East in particular. So imagine what would be if we go regional.

sunnyb0b0:


And Cross River state is where?

My point is counter to a faldehood you presented as facts from 1914 showing palm oil as a income earner. Palm oil is not synonymous with East the way Cocoa is synonymous with West or Groundnut with North.

You can feed bs to fellow Ibos, we know you all dont question issues...but when you are in a forum with Yorubas please think it over before posting bs, we question things.

Igboid:


Cocoa was grown in the East too, but at a lesser quantity.

Clark made no point but just to repeat Yoruba propaganda.

Where in East was Cocoa grown?

Igboid:


Do you have any stat contrary to those stated by Anber?
Any stat whatsoever from a third party to corroborate Yoruba falsehood of Western region ever being ahead of Eastern region?
Initially, Yorubas said that there was no character known as Paul Anber, that he is a fictional character, now the argument is that he is a friend of Achebe and doctored his report.

I dont know who told you Paul Anber is fictional. The burden is on you to prove Baba Clark wrong on his historical recounts.

ezeagu:


Don't be sheepish, this is about historical accounts, many things have happened since then to have the status quo as it is.

"In 1929, ethnic groups (according to regions) in Enugu town were represented in the
following proportions:

From Northern Nigeria – 2%
From Western Nigeria – 10%
From Eastern Nigeria – 87% (Coastal tribes, such as Calabar, etc. – 2%; Igbo – 85%)
(Hair, 1954:3)."

http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/papers/90623

In 1929, Asaba was considered Western Nigeria.
Anything west of river niger was Western.

Where do you guys get your bs?