rlauncher:


The document you submitted can be easily used to mislead. The Igbos having more teachers in school does not mean the same as having more pupils in school.The west employed the numbers of teachers they can cater for . Pupils ratio to teachers at that time in the west used to be 40 to 1 and we used to have shifts. Some people will go to school in the morning while the rest will go in the afternoon.

The document also confirmed what I said about Zik using his position and influence to make sure that Igbo people practically occupy all the positions in Federal ministries and parastatals.

Did you notice that the writer did not mention the Igbos dominating the multinationals and Industries. Why? Because it requires real competition to get employment with those companies while government work was based on man knows man

It doesn't get more hilarious than this. Like seriously?

ezeagu:


Did you not see the breakdown of eastern Nigeria? How many people are in old Mid-West? Even if you are correct, if Coastal tribes made up a mere 2% and we assume Asaba and co were put into Western Nigeria as 1%, then 9% of the town was still from non-Igbo Western Nigeria in 1929! Maybe it's malaria.

This is no ground for hypothesis of ifs and maybes....

in 1956 did Eastern Nigeria produce Cocoa, yes or no What part and where is the record of your production?

MayorofLagos:
Today, many Nigerians regard oil money as a curse so people are now talking about agriculture, solid mineral and so forth. But the earlier these things are developed, the better it would be for Nigeria so that the pressure on certain areas in this country would be minimized because in the past only Niger Delta produced oil and everybody was grateful.

I remember in 1956 when oil was discovered, the Prime Minister congratulated the Premier of Eastern Nigeria for joining the club economically.
This is because at that time there was true federalism in the country.

Today we have 36 states built from nowhere. In the constitution of Nigeria the creation of new states depended on a number of criteria but each administration that assumed office in Nigeria believed that was an opportunity to create states for their own people so they created all sorts of states that are not viable with many local governments. For instance Lagos state is supposed to have the largest population in Nigeria and it has only 18 or 20 local government councils whereas Kano and Jigawa put together have almost 50 local government councils. Everybody depends upon the oil resources in the country. The constitution provides that for a state to exist, you must have a number of local government councils. But Bayelsa state was created with only 8 local government councils whereas Bayelsa state, I believe should have had 15 or 20 local government councils to qualify as a state. When you have a powerful ruler, you have more local government councils, then you have more states created in your area.

But as I said earlier on, in the first republic there were three regions; Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe was in charge of Eastern Nigeria, Chief Obafemi Awolowo in the Western Nigeria and Ahmadu Bello for Northern Nigeria. They created this federation and they said everyone must be equal. No citizen of one region was superior to the other. I believe each region should be developed at its own pace. The development of one region shouldn’t prevent the other one from going ahead.

So you can see why Western Nigeria was self governing earlier before the other regions.

[size=20pt]Awolowo was able to develop the Western Nigeria; in 1958 the first primary school in Nigeria was free in the Western Nigeria but both Eastern and Northern Nigeria couldn’t do it. The tallest building in Nigeria which is the Cocoa house was built in Ibadan. There was Ikeja industrial estate, Apapa industrial estate, there was Lagos, there was Ibadan stadium there were good roads. [/size]

And could you imagine that even though Midwest region was created later which was part of Western Nigeria, the television which was brought in 1958 or 1959 wasn’t extended to the Midwest region simply because they said it didn’t contribute to the economy of Western Nigeria in the sharing of the assets. When Midwest was created even up till the time I was commissioner for finance, the Western Nigeria refused to share the assets and liabilities as provided in the constitution. Today the assets and liabilities of the whole Western region were shared amongst the six Yoruba states of Western Nigeria.

[size=20pt]The Odua Investment Company is the largest state owned company in Nigeria today. Ahmadu Bello developed the Kaduna capital territory, the Ahmadu Bello stadium, Kano industrial centre, and Ahmadu Bello University. But what did the Eastern region do? They had no money. There was no money coming from the palm oil so they were not able to do many of these things.[/size]

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/nigeria-56-cant-separate-force-clark-tells-igbo-youths/

put this in the trash topic.

freshdude99:

How dare u write such trash?
If zik og Africa was such a misfit why then did he defeat awo in the then western region before awo and yerubas resorted to tribalism to further their interest.
Dude just hide ur face in shame because the very independence u celebrated yesterday was single handedly brought by Zik. Ask ur father if u dont knw history of Nigeria.
Zik of Africa is no match for any Nigerian politician till date, none can ever fill the void he left behind.

Westerners voted for NCNC because it had been their political party over the years and because of their respect for the late Herbert Macaulay. Herbert Macaulay was like Mandela to southerners at the time. Besides Yoruba people are not tribalistic like some Igbo people have been trying in vain to make the world believe .


Zik was thrown out of the West when the people found out what he was doing with the party- the Igbonisation of NCNC, a party founded by a Yorubaman.


Time did prove that the decision by Westerners to throw out Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe from the west was right .Zik spent his presidency promoting Igbo interest at the expense of Yoruba interest in our own ancestral land by using his position and influence to installed Igbo people in almost every federal positions available in Yorubaland.


However, his antics did not prevent the Westerners from progressing with their lives. We built so many industries such that every fresh graduate got employment with additional benefits such as brand new cars and apartments ss soon as they graduate from school.

Igboid:


They are the bitter truth you hate to hear, because you are covered with falsehoods.

You are still quoting Paul Anber,a foreigner who never set foot in Nigeria but took accounts of his book from Achebe. Did Paul study the Yoruba to get a fair sense of their comparative position with Ibo? NO. He was fed by Chinua Achebe, a disgruntled man who if it was not for the benevolence of Yoruba would not have amounted to anything. Anber was the outlet Achebe used to achieve his revision and twisting of social indices from their true records.

Anber said he got his information from office of statistics. That office is still in existence, bring us records from Nigerian archives showing where each region was and had accomplished in the 50s. I bet you Ibo is behind Hausa.

MayorofLagos:


This is no ground for hypothesis of ifs and maybes....

in 1956 did Eastern Nigeria produce Cocoa, yes or no What part and where is the record of your production?

What does that have to do with anything?

timeman:
LOL! An igbo lady@leofab who doesn't know jack about zik's political career, all she does is twerking her artificial lazyaxx. Enough of ewedu & amala(your favourite yoruba food) & stick your nose in a book. Who was zik before becoming a ceremonial president?. Sleep well& wake up with sense.
@freshdude99, your darkest ignorance is highly pronounced. It's a fallacy that zik led our independence. Who raised the motion for self government? Who seconded the motion?. Who & who protested the british imperialism in nig? Zik was only a nationalist(baba one nigeria)no more, no less. Additionally, zik was able to win some seats in the SW basically because NCNC was a largely acceptable party & grown in SW cos its ex-president was a yoruba man(herbert macqulay) before zik took over due to macqulay's death. Celebrate your falsehood in your region, don't spread it around here pls.
Obey the truth!

you the very unserious.. The Brits handed over to him.. He wasn't no governor..QED..

ezeagu:


What does that have to do with anything?

Plenty! For one it displaces your argument against Elder Clark's assertion that East had no means to develop the way Awo developed West and Bello developed North.

MayorofLagos:


Plenty! For one it displaces your argument against Elder Clark's assertion that East had no means to develop the way Awo developed West and Bello developed North.

MayorofLagos, if Awo and Bello developed these regions and the East was lagging behind, why does the east have the highest human development today outside of Lagos and Abuja?

MayorofLagos:


You are still quoting Paul Anber,a foreigner who never set foot in Nigeria but took accounts of his book from Achebe. Did Paul study the Yoruba to get a fair sense of their comparative position with Ibo? NO. He was fed by Chinua Achebe, a disgruntled man who if it was not for the benevolence of Yoruba would not have amounted to anything. Anber was the outlet Achebe used to achieve his revision and twisting of social indices from their true records.

Anber said he got his information from office of statistics. That office is still in existence, bring us records from Nigerian archives showing where each region was and had accomplished in the 50s. I bet you Ibo is behind Hausa.

Anber work was published. And he cited his references.

He is a third party with no parochial interests.

I'd take his work over lies propagated by Yoruba media propaganda.
Repeated by senile dumb Clark with no statistical back up.
He dropped his references. It's left for you to look for them. If you doubt the authenticity of his work.

Your personal opinion about him is inconsequential in the matter

ezeagu:


MayorofLagos, if Awo and Bello developed these regions and the East was lagging behind, why does the east have the highest human development today outside of Lagos and Abuja?

Stop living in the Paradise of fools .Igbos are the only people in Nigeria who have been living off the developments of other regions while leaving their own states to rot.

Even at that Igbos are no match for Southwesterners in levels of human development. Most of the professionals, technicians and skilled artisans are from the southwest.

Whenever Igbo people want to build houses in the east, we normally take southwesterners there to build the house

Igboid:


Anber work was published. And he cited his references.

He is a third party with no parochial interests.

I'd take his work over lies propagated by Yoruba media propaganda.
Repeated by senile dumb Clark with no statistical back up.
He dropped his references. It's left for you to look for them. If you doubt the authenticity of his work.

Your personal opinion about him is inconsequential in the matter

There are lots of work out there where people site references, that have been found to be misrepresenting fact.

In fact, it is well known in the 50s and 60 s that the British people are always doing everything possible to limit the political power and influence of the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo by dismembering Yorubaland such that some parts were not situated within the Western region.

The also put toward fallacious , unbelievable statistics that does not rhyme with the situation on ground

ezeagu:


MayorofLagos, if Awo and Bello developed these regions and the East was lagging behind, why does the east have the highest human development today outside of Lagos and Abuja?

Thank you for bringing up that question. I almost feel like that question deserves its own thread away from this.

Ope.n a thread to discuss it and i will join to share input.

rlauncher:


Stop living in the Paradise of fools .Igbos are the only people in Nigeria who have been living off the developments of other regions while leaving their own states to rot.

Even at that Igbos are no match for Southwesterners in levels of human development. Most of the professionals, technicians and skilled artisans are from the southwest.

Whenever Igbo people want to build houses in the east, we normally take southwesterners there to build the house

Bring out the human development stats for the regions then we can discuss. Otherwise there's nothing else.

Igboid:


Anber work was published. And he cited his references.

He is a third party with no parochial interests.

I'd take his work over lies propagated by Yoruba media propaganda.
Repeated by senile dumb Clark with no statistical back up.
He dropped his references. It's left for you to look for them. If you doubt the authenticity of his work.

Your personal opinion about him is inconsequential in the matter

You should be concerned about the quality of Anber's work for many reasons.

1. He is unfamiliar with the land and people his work is based on.
2. He proposes that you were ahead of every ethnic group in development but yet unable to effectively explain why you were politically weak.
3. Of all the credits he gave to East and its people there are no substantial resource, whether in material or production on ground to back up the claims.

We can show pictures of Cocoa House, Ikeja industrial layout, Ilupeju industrial layout, Western Nigeria Broadcasting Corporation, Liberty Stadium......Ahmadu Bello Stadium, Kaduna municipality, Ahmadu Bello University and so on. Achievements that support Baba Clark's claims for West and North.

Do you have pictures of East before the war and can we see how they supportAnber's claims of your developments?

rlauncher:


There are lots of work out there where people site references, that have been found to be misrepresenting fact.

In fact, it is well known in the 50s and 60 s that the British people are always doing everything possible to limit the political power and influence of the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo by dismembering Yorubaland such that some parts were not situated within the Western region.

The also put toward fallacious , unbelievable statistics that does not rhyme with the situation on ground

Anything that floats your boat, bro.

ezeagu:


Bring out the human development stats for the regions then we can discuss. Otherwise there's nothing else.

Clark just did!

MayorofLagos:


You should be concerned about the quality of Anber's work for many reasons.

1. He is unfamiliar with the land and people his work is based on.
2. He proposes that you were ahead of every ethnic group in development but yet unable to effectively explain why you were politically weak.
3. Of all the credits he gave to East and its people there are no substantial resource, whether in material or production on ground to back up the claims.

We can show pictures of Cocoa House, Ikeja industrial layout, Ilupeju industrial layout, Western Nigeria Broadcasting Corporation, Liberty Stadium......Ahmadu Bello Stadium, Kaduna municipality, Ahmadu Bello University and so on. Achievements that support Baba Clark's claims for West and North.

Do you have pictures of East before the war and can we see how they supportAnber's claims of your developments?

How exactly was Abner unfamiliar with the Nigerian groups. Lol! The history and achievements of Nigerian groups are well documented. You have no proof of Abner not knowing about Nigerian groups other than your bias.


Politically weak as how? What's the link between political power and economic prosperity in this case? The North is supposed to be the most politically strong group in Nigeria today, yet the most backward in all ramifications.
In terms of the era in discuss, Ndiigbo were politically stronger than Yorubas. Of the three regions,we had two Igbo premiers in Osadebey and Okpara.

What substantial resource do you speak of? The East always had coal, palm oil and even Cocoa. You have no point here once again.


Your assessment is rather subjective without facts and figures.
This is onitsha during the era in discuss: https://www.nairaland.com/2497740/vintage-pictures-onitsha-anambra-before

Imagine asking me to start posting pics? To what's end?

Igboid:


How exactly was Abner unfamiliar with the Nigerian groups. Lol! The history and achievements of Nigerian groups are well documented. You have no proof of Abner not knowing about Nigerian groups other than your bias.


Politically weak as how? What's the link between political power and economic prosperity in this case? The North is supposed to be the most politically strong group in Nigeria today, yet the most backward in all ramifications.
In terms of the era in discuss, Ndiigbo were politically stronger than Yorubas. Of the three regions,we had two Igbo premiers in Osadebey and Okpara.

What substantial resource do you speak of? The East always had coal, palm oil and even Cocoa. You have no point here once again.


You assessment is rather subjective without facts and figures.
This is onitsha in during the era in discuss: https://www.nairaland.com/2497740/vintage-pictures-onitsha-anambra-before

Imagine asking me to start posting pics? To what's end?

You guys just throw out list of abstracts.

I said we can wrap up the argument to show who is on side of truth. Pictures says it all.

We can support Clark with pictures of his claims.

Can you bring pictures to support the developments you claim in Anber's fallacies?

sunnyb0b0:


Facts are sacred. See attached and hide your head in shame

Someone should inform Clark he does need to lie to force One Nigeria down everyone's throat.

I'm just loving this argument.

Igboid I stay learning a lot from you. Salute to your brain my brother.

Let's go back to either 4 or 6 Autonomous Zones encompassing autonomous States.

rlauncher:


Yoruba people are not tribal bigots like you people who always think that only the people of your tribe could succeed you at the head of an organization.

It was on record that as soon as Zik took the headship of the party after the demise of Herbert Macaulay that he began to appoint fellow Igbos into the position that should have been filled by people of other ethnic group, thereby forcing the likes of Awolowo and Enahoro to leave the party.

Even after Zik became president, he began to make sure majority of vacant position in the Federal civil service in Lagos were filled by his fellow Igbo's( this is why Igbo's used to say that they dominated Lagos before the civil war).Zik did this at that time in order to counterbalance the overwhelming presence of Yoruba people in the multinationals and industries.

Zik did not stop there. When the University of Ibadan was formed , he made sure that over 95% of the lecturers were Igbo's to the chagrin of the Yoruba's, who at that time ( and now) could boast of at least three qualified candidates for every single qualified candidates the Igbos could boast of.

We Yorubas know that Zik was only a nationalist by mouth,but his actions show otherwise.

Sometimes I wonder whether empty tanks like you read wat u type before posting. You know the obvious wen it comes to competing with the igbos (competence wise). So leave all this ur yeye talk. Why was wasn't Awo made the president or even prime minister if he was so good and accepted by all

rlauncher:


Olodo, as at independence Lagos was not part of the western region. So many parts of today's Lagos like Ikorodu and Epe used to be part of western region then At that time , the western region was richer than Lagos. Most of the fund used to develop Lagos at that time came from the Western region.

As at today like it has been for many years, the. FG had been taking at least four times of what Lagos receives from oil revenue away from Lagos.

As to the issue of federalism, we Yorubas have always been at the fore front and that has not changed. You should not confuse the statements of some Yoruba politicians in power now to mean the position of Yoruba people on the issue. In Yorubaland we don't worship politicians or follow them blindly. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion.

Really? Yorubas don't worship their politicians? Na wa o...
Wat version of craze are u suffering from sef
As far as am concerned Yorubas championed this present administration and if osinbajo will come out on national TV and say all those calling for restructuring are mad. Osinbajo is Tinubu's stooge, so as far as am concerned the Yoruba nation has betrayed entire southerners once again to the glaring eyes of the whole world.
Besides pre-independence was Lagos a country?
How can a learned man like u be typing rubbish. If Lagos is not in western region, then where wad it then and now. Or is it because Ibadan bested it then that's why u talking nonsense here.

freshdude99:

Sometimes I wonder whether empty tanks like you read wat u type before posting. You know the obvious wen it comes to competing with the igbos (competence wise). So leave all this ur yeye talk. Why was wasn't Awo made the president or even prime minister if he was so good and accepted by all

competence u say.......
is that why zik appointed a non medical doctor as the first CMD of UCH......
At a time the country already had medical Doctors who were professors......
abeg zik knew what he was doing when he chose to become a ceremonial president under a govt largely dominated by a party who had an unrivalled hatred for his kith and kin......

MadamExcellency:
Kano and Jigawa (previously one single entity) have 80 LGAs compare to Lagos State which is managing 20 LGAs. What an extraordinary political permutation established to perpetuate Northern political dominance?

Kano and Jigawa States, previously a single State like Rivers State have the same if not more federal constituencies nd representatives than entire Southeast geopolitical zone. How will there be a fair voting process in the HOR with such political imbalance?

The foundation in which Nigeria was built and composed is structurally deficient hence will collapse one day if not restructured

is it not better to be mute than talk rubbish?

Even after jigawa was carved out if Kano, did u knw how many Lagos u will remove from Kano or jigawa?

Visit ur Atlas bro

freshdude99:

Really? Yorubas don't worship their politicians? Na wa o...
Wat version of craze are u suffering from sef
As far as am concerned Yorubas championed this present administration and if osinbajo will come out on national TV and say all those calling for restructuring are mad. Osinbajo is Tinubu's stooge, so as far as am concerned the Yoruba nation has betrayed entire southerners once again to the glaring eyes of the whole world.
Besides pre-independence was Lagos a country?
How can a learned man like u be typing rubbish. If Lagos is not in western region, then where wad it then and now. Or is it because Ibadan bested it then that's why u talking nonsense here.

point of correction.....
tinubu is not the voice of Yoruba people.....
he does not speak for south west region.
tinubu speak for his pocket and his imperialistic tendencies.......

SIRTee15:


competence u say.......
is that why zik appointed a non medical doctor as the first CMD of UCH......
At a time the country already had medical Doctors who were professors......
abeg zik knew what he was doing when he chose to become a ceremonial president under a govt largely dominated by a party who had an unrivalled hatred for his kith and kin......

Bros calm down. Can u tell me wat demands the health workers were demanding for during those strike during GEJ regime? Their demand was that not only doctors should be made to head health agencies. So Zik was futuristic in his thoughts by appointing a non doctor the CMD back then

SIRTee15:


point of correction.....
tinubu is not the voice of Yoruba people.....
he does not speak for south west region.
tinubu speak for his pocket and his imperialistic tendencies.......

Here they come again!
Did u vote for APC in the last election or not?

ikechu1:
I'm just loving this argument.

Igboid I stay learning a lot from you. Salute to your brain my brother.

Brother, I have learnt alot from you too. Thanks.

freshdude99:

Here they come again!
Did u vote for APC in the last election or not?

I'm from ijebu and we voted PDP in the last election......
40% of Yoruba voted PDP in the last election......
SW and NC regions were the areas that showed a semblance of independent minded voters in the last national election....

MadamExcellency:
Industrial Estates in Aba and Portharcourt were developed by Micheal Opara, the premier of eastern region. To say that nothing happen in the Eastern region was a blanket lie. Just because everything that stood or moved was bombed into oblivion during the 30 months civil war doesn't mean that there wasn't massive development from today's Cross river up to Anambra State.

Edwin Clark should STFU! He was from the Western Region and wasn't in tune with what was happening in the Eastern Region. No wonder it was this same mindset he used to brainwash his eastern Ijaw kinsmen that nothing was happening in the east, which ultimately led to the struggles of Adaka Boro as well as the total support his kinsmen gave to Gowon during the civil war.