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Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by ikeyman00(m): 11:53am On Oct 21, 2009
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Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 11:56am On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

My friend, I don't deal in half truths. You do with how you never understand fully what you are talking about. On previous threads I have shown that you love commenting about Nigeria when you don't understand its 'unique' and self-inflicted problems that could be resolved fairly easily with genuine political will. Here you are showing the same ignorance of the real state of affairs in Nigeria vis a vis cause and effects.

Minus Government interference, Nigerian private entities do well and distinguish themselves amongst their continental peers. Nigerian private entities also demonstrate the will to innovate not entirely common accross Africa. Infrastructure , education , public services for example, are woeful because of inept leadership at the Federal Government level. Inept leadership is secured and perpetuated because of the lack of electoral fairness i.e Nigerians do not get the chance to elect proven leaders who will facilitate the development and progress we can secure rapidly with our manpower and material endowment. The skills of leadership and enterpreneurship still resides in Nigerians regardless of the ineptitude that ensures those qualities are not harmonised to produce national greatness.

You simply don't know as much as you should on Nigeria and I don't think I have enough time to become a teacher to anyone. Non-Nigerians incessantly taunt Nigeria with how w produce oil yet import petrol but do you know that that situation is about to change with how Nigeria is about to deregulate its petroleum sector completely to facilite efficiency and profitability with how the removal of government subsidy  plus the involvement of private , and thus profit-led , players will make Nigeria exponentially greater profit as per how the sale of refined products (when importation used to be the case) will increase immensely. We will simply be refining efficiently what we produce. Is this Rocket Science? Should it not have been done ages ago? Long story short things are not done when they should be because of vested interest. It was the same fo Ghana. Now that things are being done correctly Ghana is moving in the right direction. When our leaders begin to do things properly Nigeians , becuase of the inherent industrious spirit they possess , will secure growth exponentially greater than others have secured in simiar time frame. That is what I hint at when I point that Nigerians trading well outside our border is something to praise .




I disagree with some of your points. Leadership comes from within and for all the entrepreneurial spirit shown by some people, it doesn't count for much without vision and innovation.

Are the refineries in Nigeria in productive capacity? Is Nigeria not still importing petroleum products? I can not be sure because I do not reside in Nigeria. If what I am inferring is correct, how can deregulation work? Are you talking about deregulation with regards to imported products?

ezeagu:

You will keep repeating the popular opinion until you lose the ability to think at all. Where does the leadership come from, is it not the population? Is it not also the population along with the environment that creates leadership and keeps tabs on them. Keep waiting for the Nigerian Obama (what has Obama done in the first place?). Your waiting for good leadership okwa ya? Keep waiting for hell to produce an Angel.

Some people would rather take the safe road and follow what they heard most people say than sitting down and thinking for themselves. That is why you go around and insult Yoruba and Hausa people and then have the nerve to come and preach "One Nigeria" to us. Confusion because your thoughts are not your own.

Thank you for the above phrase; a lot of people do not get that. Leadership comes from within and a people get the leaders they deserve. Everyone expects change to come from the people at the top when it is the people at the bottom who should influence change.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Bennyboy11: 12:09pm On Oct 21, 2009
ikeyman00:

bennyboy
fundamentally; i think its paramount u argue along the line with the subject

with the world of survival the fittest, its necessary that nigerians stand up and be counted for the cause of known?                              

Sorry Im not with you, what do you mean?
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Bennyboy11: 12:12pm On Oct 21, 2009
Duduknight:

I hate to agree with you but I have to. I also agree with some of the points that Gbawe is making. However, it is difficult to make much progress abroad without first putting your house in other. In the 80s when globalidation started to take form, General Electric under Welch did not delve into the global market. Welch's reasoning was that he had to put his house in order in order to be able to pursue opportunities in the global market. So what did he do, he restructured GE first and then made it lean and agile so as to be able to compete with Japanese and European firms.

While it is through that some progress is being made by some Nigerians, it is progress that is still being impeded by a lack of a strong united front and infrastructure in Nigeria. Further progress will come from a substantial reduction in fraudulent practises, investment in durable infrastructure, changing of internal mindsets, and stable democracy



It is impossible for a rational person to disagree with you, it just is.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Gbawe: 12:18pm On Oct 21, 2009
Duduknight:

I disagree with some of your points. Leadership comes from within and for all the entrepreneurial spirit shown by some people, it doesn't count for much without vision and innovation.

Sir/Madam please try and understand Nigeria's unique problem that other nations do not face. Of course we have leaders with "vision and innovation" . Nigerians who understand Nigeria will know that leaders with vision are not given the chance to lead by a cabal that wants to keep Nigeria's wealth for themselves !!!! That is what we are fighting!!!! The success of Nigerians everywhere indicate our "vision and innovaton" !!!! It is wrong to speak as if Nigeria is woeful because it does not have visionary leadership when the truth is that a system of self-perpetuation of mediocrity exists to aid a "business as usual" scenario. Nigerians , unlike non-Nigerians,  know that Yar Adua is possibly the worst President we could have gained. He was put there to secure the continued selfsh interest of those who wish to keep Nigeria underdeveloped so that they and their children can keep amassing fortunes they cannot spend in ten lifetimes !!!!!

Are the refineries in Nigeria in productive capacity? Is Nigeria not still importing petroleum products? I can not be sure because I do not reside in Nigeria. If what I am inferring is correct, how can deregulation work? Are you talking about deregulation with regards to imported products?

Please read up about the various cabals making money from oil bunkering , piracy, subsidy fraud to understand why our Oil sector , even as it was always the right thing to do , has not been deregulated till now. Too much info to dissipate but google is our friend so please use it to understand the real situation more .

In regards to your enquiry about deregulation please read the link below:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200910190644.html

Deregulation implies that the government either state or federal would not be involved in the business of petroleum products supply, marketing and distribution, as well as refining. It means that the private sector would have the sole responsibility of deciding how much Nigerians would buy a liter of petrol, just as it is with Dual Purpose Kerosene (DPK) and Automotive Gas Oil (AGO), where the price fluctuates based on the decision of the importers of the products. The importers have argued that they can not afford to sell the products at prices lower than their import costs.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 12:30pm On Oct 21, 2009
Bennyboy11:

It is impossible for a rational person to disagree with you, it just is.

The fact of the matter is that individuals and corporations with abundant capital can invest in other foreign markets but without a sustainable strategy they may suffer in the future. We see it all the time. With the rise of chinese firms and also the global effects of the current economic downturn, many governments are going to put up protectionist structures so as to protect investors and workers in their countries from mistakes in other countries.

Without substantial investment in one's country, one is at the mercy of future governments. Your friends who are capitalist may be in power today but what happens when government changes and the far left are voted in? Your company may be kicked out. Afterall, Obasanjo kicked out British Petroleum in the late 70s. The same may happen to Nigerian entities springing up in Africa. As we all know, stability is still a problem in Africa and investing in other parts of Africa may just be a very risky strategy.

That brings me back to the point that Bennyboy was making initially. There is still room for growth in Nigeria. Would it not make sense to develop the infrastructure in Nigeria first and then sustainable growth can follow? What happens if you invest in a country and that country is plunged into civil war; your investment goes down the drain. We have to put our house in order first because if you are chased from outside, at least you have your home to fall back on.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Bennyboy11: 12:31pm On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

My friend, I don't deal in half truths. You do with how you never understand fully what you are talking about. On previous threads I have shown that you love commenting about Nigeria when you don't understand its 'unique' and self-inflicted problems that could be resolved fairly easily with genuine political will. Here you are showing the same ignorance of the real state of affairs in Nigeria vis a vis cause and effects.

Minus Government interference, Nigerian private entities do well and distinguish themselves amongst their continental peers. Nigerian private entities also demonstrate the will to innovate not entirely common accross Africa. Infrastructure , education , public services for example, are woeful because of inept leadership at the Federal Government level. Inept leadership is secured and perpetuated because of the lack of electoral fairness i.e Nigerians do not get the chance to elect proven leaders who will facilitate the development and progress we can secure rapidly with our manpower and material endowment. The skills of leadership and enterpreneurship still resides in Nigerians regardless of the ineptitude that ensures those qualities are not harmonised to produce national greatness.

You simply don't know as much as you should on Nigeria and I don't think I have enough time to become a teacher to anyone. Non-Nigerians incessantly taunt Nigeria with how w produce oil yet import petrol but do you know that that situation is about to change with how Nigeria is about to deregulate its petroleum sector completely to facilite efficiency and profitability with how the removal of government subsidy  plus the involvement of private , and thus profit-led , players will make Nigeria exponentially greater profit as per how the sale of refined products (when importation used to be the case) will increase immensely. We will simply be refining efficiently what we produce. Is this Rocket Science? Should it not have been done ages ago? Long story short things are not done when they should be because of vested interest. It was the same fo Ghana. Now that things are being done correctly Ghana is moving in the right direction. When our leaders begin to do things properly Nigeians , becuase of the inherent industrious spirit they possess , will secure growth exponentially greater than others have secured in simiar time frame. That is what I hint at when I point that Nigerians trading well outside our border is something to praise .






You are simply beating about the bush. You can take any good economist from anywhere in the world and to any country in the world and they will be able to identify fundamental flaws or strengths. There might be the need to tweak a thing or two to accommodate slight differences but the basics will remain the same.

You are attempting to mystify the Nigeria situation but 1 plus 1 will always be 2 regardless of where or when you ask the question. Good leadership which means well thought through policies, transparency & accountability, investment in people & infrastructure worked in Europe for the Uk, Germany etc, in Asia for Japan, Malaysia Singapore etc and it will work if applied in Nigeria.

I don’t need to know Nigeria to make the above statement because what works is what works for all societies. Can you at least accept that?
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 12:38pm On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

Sir/Madam please try and understand Nigeria's unique problem that other nations do not face. Of course we have leaders with "vision and innovation" . Nigerians who understand Nigeria will know that leaders with vision are not given the chance to lead by a cabal that wants to keep Nigeria's wealth for themselves !!!! That is what we are fighting!!!! The success of Nigerians everywhere indicate our "vision and innovaton" !!!! It is wrong to speak as if Nigeria is woeful because it does not have visionary leadership when the truth is that a system of self-perpetuation of mediocrity exists to aid a "business as usual" scenario. Nigerians , unlike non-Nigerians,  know that Yar Adua is possibly the worst President we could have gained. He was put there to secure the continued selfsh interest of those who wish to keep Nigeria underdeveloped so that they and their children can keep amassing fortunes they cannot spend in ten lifetimes !!!!!

Please read up about the various cabals making money from oil bunkering , piracy, subsidy fraud to understand why our Oil sector , even as it was always the right thing to do , has not been deregulated till now. Too much info to dissipate but google is our friend so please use it to understand the real situation more .

In regards to your enquiry about deregulation please read the link below:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200910190644.html

Deregulation implies that the government either state or federal would not be involved in the business of petroleum products supply, marketing and distribution, as well as refining. It means that the private sector would have the sole responsibility of deciding how much Nigerians would buy a liter of petrol, just as it is with Dual Purpose Kerosene (DPK) and Automotive Gas Oil (AGO), where the price fluctuates based on the decision of the importers of the products. The importers have argued that they can not afford to sell the products at prices lower than their import costs.

That is precisely the point I am making. Nigeria is an Oil producing nation; previously number one in Africa, now behind Angola. Is it not a sad paradox that we are talking about the deregulation of imported petroleum products? We are not debating about cars, gold, mechanical equipment here, we are talking about what we produce in raw form and then being subject to international market forces when we import it. This is Nigeria, not Togo or Ethipia (No aspersions intended)
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Gbawe: 12:56pm On Oct 21, 2009
Duduknight:

That is precisely the point I am making. Nigeria is an Oil producing nation; previously number one in Africa, now behind Angola. Is it not a sad paradox that we are talking about the deregulation of imported petroleum products? We are not debating about cars, gold, mechanical equipment here, we are talking about what we produce in raw form and then being subject to international market forces when we import it. This is Nigeria, not Togo or Ethipia (No aspersions intended)

Did you read the article to actually understand what deregulation entails here or are you simply argueing according to a preconcieved stance you feel duty bound to defend ? You are simply showing a consistent evasion of what is written to still proclaim as right what you got wrong previously !! You did not understand deregulation and you still dont or intentionally, because of lack of objectivity , do not want to understand it - even when I tried to provide a neutral article detailing what deregulation of the downstream sector in Nigeria means!!!! Once again I ask did you even bother to read the article? If not then do so because deregulation is certainly not "the deregulation of[b] imported petroleum [/b] products" as you write.

When you don't even attempt to understand what deregulation entail in this case I can only conclude that you will see only what you want to see.

What you wrote below show that you do not have a grasp of Nigerian issues. Wether it is because you are not actually Nigerian is open to conjecture:

Are the refineries in Nigeria in productive capacity? Is Nigeria not still importing petroleum products? I can not be sure because I do not reside in Nigeria. If what I am inferring is correct, how can deregulation work? Are you talking about deregulation with regards to imported products?

The way you then continue to argue an erroneous point when you have had the chance to correct your misconception is proof that you are not interested in objective discussion via the genuine inspection of what others write.

Nigeria is an Oil producing nation; previously number one in Africa, now behind Angola.

Even as non-Nigerian never stop raising this point I hope you know that Angola's status was always an artificial situation Nigeria could put right anytime it is ready to embrace equity and fairness? Let us see what will happen with the current amnesty program or are you unaware of that as well because you are "not in Nigeria"?

http://thejakartaglobe.com/business/nigerian-instability-helps-angola-emerge-as-africas-top-oil-producing-nation/319751

Despite Angola’s rapid rise as a producer following nearly three decades of civil war, experts say it cannot compete with Nigeria’s naturally superior oil reserves.

Pearmain believes Nigeria has the potential to produce 4 million bpd by 2012, while a realistic target for Angola would probably be closer to 3 million bpd.

If Angola is to be a larger oil exporter it will be down to how the unrest is dealt with in Nigeria,” said Alex Vines, Angolan specialist at Chatham House.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Nobody: 1:00pm On Oct 21, 2009
Not surprisingly, it is a foreigner seeing something good in Nigeria and Nigerians. Lets hope we as Nigerians will also learn to see some good in and speak well of our selves!!! The pessimism can be quite irritating,  cool!!
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 1:03pm On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

Did you read the article to actually understand what deregulation entails here or are you simply argueing according to a preconcieved stance you feel duty bound to defend ? You are simply showing a consistent evasion of what is written to still proclaim as right what you got wrong previously !! You did not understand deregulation and you still dont or intentionally, because of lack of objectivity , do not want to understand it - even when I tried to provide a neutral article detailing what deregulation of the downstream sector in Nigeria means!!!! Once again I ask did you even bother to read the article? If not then do so .because deregulation is certainly not "the deregulation of[b] imported petroleum [/b] products" as you write.

When you don't even attempt to understand what deregulation entail in this case I can only conclude that you will see only what you want to see.

What you wrote below show that you do not have a grasp of Nigerian issues. Wether it is because you are not actually Nigerian is open to conjecture:

The way you then continue to argue an erroneous point when you have had the chance to correct your misconception is proof that you are not interested in objective discussion via the genuine inspection of what others write.

I will be honest, I have not read the article. Its because I am at work and I just barely have time to follow the thread. For your information, I am a Nigerian and I try to follow issues in Nigeria as best as I can. With regards to deregulation, I did not speak with any authority and that was why I was asking questions. I wasn't making statements. Still there was no need for an implicit 'talking down' from you; you did not need to get exasperated.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Gbawe: 1:17pm On Oct 21, 2009
Duduknight:

I will be honest, I have not read the article. Its because I am at work and I just barely have time to follow the thread. For your information, I am a Nigerian and I try to follow issues in Nigeria as best as I can. With regards to deregulation, I did not speak with any authority and that was why I was asking questions. I wasn't making statements. Still there was no need for an implicit 'talking down' from you; you did not need to get exasperated.

I am sorry and I did not mean it like that but you must understand my frustration. Deregulation simply involves processes that will ensure we refine our oil and gain maximum profit and developmental benefit from it rather than the situation where our oil is refined abroad sold back to us at exorbitant prices with the Nigerian Government having to subsidise the cost of petrol so that the Nigerian people are not incensed about paying Western rates for a product that is their greatest endownment !!!! You can imagine the waste, corruption , bunkering , piracy,  lack of productivity  and innefficiency that exist with the current system !!!!

Deregulation is therefore a very good and important thing that will be pivotal in our history if handled correctly. It could revolutionise our oil sector for the better. It is then , IMO , only a self-hating Nigerian or a non-Nigerian pretending to be a Nigerian that would prefer to keep adducing that deregulation is what it is not when they have recieved a chance to see that deregulation is as laudable and as unavoidable as electoral reforms !!!! I accept you did not read the article but please do so in future because a failure to do that only leads to people concluding that you have taken sides already and you will not be swayed by even the most pure and reasonable logic.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Gbawe: 1:53pm On Oct 21, 2009
Bennyboy11:

You are simply beating about the bush. You can take any good economist from anywhere in the world and to any country in the world and they will be able to identify fundamental flaws or strengths. There might be the need to tweak a thing or two to accommodate slight differences but the basics will remain the same.

You are attempting to mystify the Nigeria situation but 1 plus 1 will always be 2 regardless of where or when you ask the question. Good leadership which means well thought through policies, transparency & accountability, investment in people & infrastructure worked in Europe for the Uk, Germany etc, in Asia for Japan, Malaysia Singapore etc and it will work if applied in Nigeria.

Not at all. You and other non-Nigerians continue to prove my point . Nigerians know many African Countries through actual first hand experience yet very few of you non-Nigerians on this forum know Nigeria enough to understand its unique challenges. I am not on a Cameroonian or Ghanaian forum attempting to lecture them on their national affairs. As much as I welcome diverse input I would prefer non-Nigerians are better informed before they come here to regurgitate what they have heard .

The Federal Government has never shown a cohesive desire to support the valiant international trade efforts of Nigerian enterpreneurs. That cannot detract from how Nigerians are gifted business 'travellers' . There is no accepted format for global trade either and it is patently intolerant and ignorant to state that "Nigerians should take over Nigeria" first , when anyone knowledgeable about Nigeria will know that , for example , the Igbos are marginalised to the point where they are continously schemed out of the Presidency because of certain 'arrangements' !!!

Why would an Igbo person not travel to utilise abilities stifled at home? This is the type of 'local Knowledge' you and others don't possess when you make statements about Nigeria !!!! So my friend , 1 plus 1 will not always equal 2 . I am a patient man. I am willing to wait and see wether Nigeria can never improve as a South African poster concluded. 


I don’t need to know Nigeria to make the above statement because what works is what works for all societies. Can you at least accept that?

My friend for a clever chap you dissapoint me with the above . Do you know of the concept of "local knowledge" in International trade as a defining ethos of how societal differences require individual approaches and solutions ?
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by alias64: 2:40pm On Oct 21, 2009
[b]The movement for the abolition of the slave trade and slavery humanised black people, but also popularised an image of black people as victims. Abolitionist images of black people kneeling, hands folded, eyes cast heavenward, arguably gave to appearance of making emancipation conditional on conversion, docility and meekness. Many images seem to be more an affirmation of Christianity than of black emancipation.
One of the most popular pro-abolition books, Harriet Beecher Stowe's fictional 'Uncle Tom's Cabin', published in America in 1853, created a new stereotype. Uncle Tom is a docile black man who sacrifices himself for his master and generates sympathy because he does not resist or revolt.

Images of black people as meek victims come back in contemporary depictions of starving Africans and Africa as a continent of victims.

By Professor Jan Nederveen Pieterse




By their overall character and behaviour, Nigerians unconsciously buck the trend highlighted.

There is however a growing trend worldwide, of which some Nigerians are unwitting contributors, to deconstruct the character of Nigerians and reconstruct them into the Docile none threatening Africans that the rest of the world find more acceptable. The docile and meek African is none-threatening and, overall, to keep him this way, serves to eliminate one more threat to the current world economic and social status quo.

Better to help docile Africans develop than let independent minded Africans develop for themselves. Helping Africans develop, let those who do so, guide and manipulate the development in ways that would serve outside interest best in the end. This happened before, under colonialism, which is why African countries do not have meaningful trade with each other.
Not saying that Nigeria’s economy isn’t dominated by outside interest only that their character and ability to go do things without seeking validation or waiting for benign outside guidance is an attitude to encourage.
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Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Gbawe: 2:51pm On Oct 21, 2009
alias64:


Not saying that Nigeria’s economy isn’t dominated by outside interest only that their character and ability to go do things without seeking validation or waiting for benign outside guidance is an attitude to encourage.

Indeed.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by olusanmi: 2:53pm On Oct 21, 2009
Doggedness,that is what it is called.Surving against all odds.But what are the motives behind these rare virtue?
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Bennyboy11: 3:11pm On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

Not at all. You and other non-Nigerians continue to prove my point . Nigerians know many African Countries through actual first hand experience yet very few of you non-Nigerians on this forum know Nigeria enough to understand its unique challenges. I am not on a Cameroonian or Ghanaian forum attempting to lecture them on their national affairs. As much as I welcome diverse input I would prefer non-Nigerians are better informed before they come here to regurgitate what they have heard .

The Federal Government has never shown a cohesive desire to support the valiant international trade efforts of Nigerian enterpreneurs. That cannot detract from how Nigerians are gifted business 'travellers' . There is no accepted format for global trade either and it is patently intolerant and ignorant to state that "Nigerians should take over Nigeria" first , when anyone knowledgeable about Nigeria will know that , for example , the Igbos are marginalised to the point where they are continously schemed out of the Presidency because of certain 'arrangements' !!!

Why would an Igbo person not travel to utilise abilities stifled at home? This is the type of 'local Knowledge' you and others don't possess when you make statements about Nigeria !!!! So my friend , 1 plus 1 will not always equal 2 . I am a patient man. I am willing to wait and see wether Nigeria can never improve as a South African poster concluded. 


My friend for a clever chap you dissapoint me with the above . Do you know of the concept of "local knowledge" in International trade as a defining ethos of how societal differences require individual approaches and solutions ?

I said there might be the need to tweak a thing or two to accommodate differences. The fact that you approach one society differently from another doesn’t change the underlying principle.

If you are attempting to say that Nigeria’s situation is different and the Igbo predicament you stated is justification for different rules to be applied to Nigeria, then you could not be more wrong.

I said transparency and accountability were key ingredients. There is no country without its peculiarities and sections of a society being excluded from the political process for one reason or another is not peculiar to Nigeria. How many full blooded Scots without significant English influence have ever been British Prime Ministers? But that’s not to say a Scot with the business acumen can’t thrive in England. There isn’t going to be another black president for a while after Obama but go to Atlanta and see how vibrant the constantly growing black middle class is.

If there is transparency, accountability, openness and fairness which are all traits of good governance then Igbos would not need to leave even if they didn’t have political clout.

Mind you the fact that methods of obtaining accountability and fairness should take culture and traditions into account does not mean the principle of fairness is not being applied.

Tell me the most Nigeria specific problem which a person like me would be completely clueless about and I will show you how the good leadership blueprint mentioned earlier deals with it comprehensively.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by superstar1(m): 4:26pm On Oct 21, 2009
Nigeria has defiled all predictions of doom and all economics law, it is still the 8th wonder of the world and some of us are proud of fit even if some of you in your quest for being objective never sees any good in the country. I have been hearing about the collapse of nigeria since when i was in primary school,SAP or woteva and we still dey, i beg jare mo i hear word.9ja will be great whether by hook or by crook, write it down
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 4:41pm On Oct 21, 2009
Gbawe:

[b]I am sorry and I did not mean it like that but you must understand my frustration. [/b]Deregulation simply involves processes that will ensure we refine our oil and gain maximum profit and developmental benefit from it rather than the situation where our oil is refined abroad sold back to us at exorbitant prices with the Nigerian Government having to subsidise the cost of petrol so that the Nigerian people are not incensed about paying Western rates for a product that is their greatest endownment !!!! You can imagine the waste, corruption , bunkering , piracy,  lack of productivity  and innefficiency that exist with the current system !!!!

Deregulation is therefore a very good and important thing that will be pivotal in our history if handled correctly. It could revolutionise our oil sector for the better. It is then , IMO , only a self-hating Nigerian or a non-Nigerian pretending to be a Nigerian that would prefer to keep adducing that deregulation is what it is not when they have recieved a chance to see that deregulation is as laudable and as unavoidable as electoral reforms !!!! I accept you did not read the article but please do so in future because a failure to do that only leads to people concluding that you have taken sides already and you will not be swayed by even the most pure and reasonable logic.

My brother, it is ok. At the end of the day, it is obvious that we want the same thing. I understand your frustation because I equally get frustrated about the lack of development in our country and the visionless and corrupt leaders we have. You will observe that I agreed with most of posts; but even then, we can from time to time disagree on issues. I am a proponent of putting ones house in order.

For years, I used to speak to people about drastic change in Nigeria but I noticed that people were not always ready to do anything about it. They would complain but would carry on their normal business. So I got tired and just accepted it. But everywhere I go in the world, I get the same message, we must be responsible for our own destiny, only Nigerians can effect change in their country. I am waiting for the day that many people will come to that realisation. Hopefully, I would be alive to be a change agent.

I know you got frustrated by Bennyboys post but I must tell you, he has a few valid points.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by sshalom(m): 4:59pm On Oct 21, 2009
Nice article but still a bit insulting!
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 5:00pm On Oct 21, 2009
sshalom:

Nice article but still a bit insulting!

My sentiments exactly
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by mrperfect(m): 7:24pm On Oct 21, 2009
Glad to here this
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by onyengbu1(m): 7:56pm On Oct 21, 2009
[size=13pt]Wrong Topic [/size]

The topic should have read:
[size=15pt]Igbo People Taking Over Africa.[/size]

Thats if only he knew that 95% of those Nigerians in their country are igbo people, grin
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by koolchicco: 8:27pm On Oct 21, 2009
onye_ngbu:

[size=13pt]Wrong Topic [/size]

The topic should have read:
[size=15pt]Igbo People Taking Over Africa.[/size]

Thats if only he knew that 95% of those Nigerians in their country are igbo people, grin


Na so! I no n'ofe Nwanne. grin grin
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by yonybanta(m): 9:36pm On Oct 21, 2009
We can actually get to the top as a nation but it will be more dignified if we get up in a legitimate and way rather than stealing to invest in order to become a wise rich thief.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by ceah(m): 7:39pm On Oct 22, 2009
@Gbawe, DuduKnights and Benny,

@Gbawe, DuduKnights, I hardly reply to post on NL though i cant do without NL daily but i decided to reply to this post cos i have noticed @Gbawe and @DuduKnights are very intelligent and constructive people.I just want you guys to keep it up. I am proud of the two of you. If Seun thinks about NL award for Constructive and Unbiased Post on NL then i would have voted for you guys. As for @Benny, i think @Duduknights should understand something i noticed abouth this ghanian, There is a difference between hate and truth, I have noted hatred in all @Benny post on NL, so @Gbawe might not be wrong afterall.

@Benny, the fact is that no one can send you out of NL but you need to change your Mindset, Attitude and most of all your Mentality. Stop Hating, continue to be proactive and try not to generalise when really the statistics is there for all to see. That one egg is bad does not make the rest in the crate bad.

God Bless you all,
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Duduknight(m): 7:54pm On Oct 22, 2009
ceah:

@Gbawe, DuduKnights and Benny,

@Gbawe, DuduKnights, I hardly reply to post on NL though i cant do without NL daily but i decided to reply to this post cos i have noticed @Gbawe and @DuduKnights are very intelligent and constructive people.I just want you guys to keep it up. I am proud of the two of you. If Seun thinks about NL award for Constructive and Unbiased Post on NL then i would have voted for you guys. As for @Benny, i think @Duduknights should understand something i noticed abouth this ghanian, There is a difference between hate and truth, I have noted hatred in all @Benny post on NL, so @Gbawe might not be wrong afterall.

@Benny, the fact is that no one can send you out of NL but you need to change your Mindset, Attitude and most of all your Mentality. Stop Hating, continue to be proactive and try not to generalise when really the statistics is there for all to see. That one egg is bad does not make the rest in the crate bad.

God Bless you all,

Thank you for your kind words; God Bless you too.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Bennyboy11: 10:10am On Oct 23, 2009
ceah:

@Gbawe, DuduKnights and Benny,

@Gbawe, DuduKnights,   I hardly reply to post on NL though i cant do without NL daily but i decided to reply to this post cos i have noticed  @Gbawe and @DuduKnights are very intelligent and constructive people.I just want you guys to keep it up. I am proud of the two of you. If Seun thinks about NL award for Constructive and Unbiased Post on NL then i would have voted for you guys. As for @Benny, i think @Duduknights should understand something i noticed abouth this ghanian, There is a difference between hate and truth, I have noted hatred in all @Benny post on NL, so @Gbawe might not be wrong afterall.

@Benny, the fact is that no one can send you out of NL but you need to change your Mindset, Attitude and most of all your Mentality. Stop Hating, continue to be proactive and try not to generalise when really the statistics is there for all to see. That one egg is bad does not make the rest in the crate bad.

God Bless you all,

Noted hatred in my posts? Very interesting I wonder if you understand what hatred means and I would love to see examples of this hatred you speak about.

Everyone here probably including yourself knows deep down that there is a lot of truth in what I have posted on this topic because you wouldn't single me out of hundreds of people if it wasn’t the case. Let alone go and read all my post like you said you did.

I go on several forums mainly black and have no intentions of leaving any of them so I guess you have to get used to it. Just like some people on here your narrow mindedness seeped through when you said things like "this Ghanaian" and "no one can send you out of Nairaland" which makes me suspect you have the backward “Ghana must go” mentality.

A wise person will assess what people say regardless of where they are from, and remember the truth is not always what we like to hear.

In conclusion my posts aren’t the problem my being Ghanaian is, and quite frankly it's more your problem than mine.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by cudos: 2:39pm On Oct 23, 2009
we will always be whom we are, nigerians. black S.A can still do they worst against the almight hand
that deliver them from apd.
we are blessed.
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by Uche2nna(m): 2:41pm On Oct 23, 2009
koolchicco:

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Na so! I no n'ofe Nwanne. grin grin

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

First time in years I have heard someone use that !!!!!
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by cudos: 2:47pm On Oct 23, 2009
Ebonnyboy11, are u a ghanian ?
Re: Nigerians Taking Over Africa by cudos: 3:01pm On Oct 23, 2009
Uche
u can say this, is true things are wrong but we can still thank God for the good ones.

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