Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,194,458 members, 7,954,798 topics. Date: Saturday, 21 September 2024 at 09:37 AM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Problems with Evolutionary Theory (13621 Views)
Evolutionary Theory: A Cause Of Racism. / Extraordinary Feat By Lizard Suggests The Species Is In Evolutionary Transition / Coronavirus And 5G: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Addresses Conspiracy Theory (Video (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by wirinet(m): 1:13pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
Kalatium:Another advertisement of ignorance. Evolution does not deal with man's origin, evolution deals with the origin of species. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:29pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
wirinet:MY mistake! Origin of species Is man not a specie? 3 Likes |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:43pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
wirinet:I am not trying to prove creationism, I have not seen any undisputable fact in evolution |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:46pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
Until evolutionists can develop an undisputable fact about evolution, the theory will continue to be controversial because we have not seen any evolution in action 2 Likes |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 2:02pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
taurus25:Creationism is not science because science can't explain the supernatural. But their are insufficient evidence for evolution |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by raphieMontella: 4:25pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
wirinet:africa is usually the last to ''catch-up''.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by taurus25(m): 7:00pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
Kalatium: True because science can't explain the supernatural There's no concrete evidence to suggest that theres actually a supernatural. Most "supernatural" events that are subjected to rigourus study and scrutiny, have been observed to be mere ununderstood natural phenomena. But their are insufficient evidence for evolution This is false! |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 7:51pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
It is true that in the past some people lack understanding of the natural thinking it is supernatural. Eg people thought diseases were caused by witches and demons but science proof it was micro organism. But it is worthy of note that not all situation happens this way, some are supernatural, unexplained by science. E.g in a video I watched "in 2012, scientist were surprised that a baby was born without brain. They predicted that the baby will die in a short time but in 2014 the baby celebrated his 2 yrs birthday". |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Nobody: 8:02pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
wirinet: More like indoctrination of 10yr olds on the theory of evolution. If you teach them young enough it usually registers....lol Atheist deception 101 |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 8:03pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:I agree with you here 1 Like |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by jonbellion(m): 10:50pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
Evolution is no longer a debate I dunno why you are bothering with creationists. Let them continue to wallow in their pseudo scientific claims that have been refuted every time. But will they listen ooh no. They will be looking at "scientists" like Micheal behe( the nigga that coined the irreducible complexity in the divine comedy "intelligent design" This term had been thoroughly dealt with by evolutionists plus his most famous work "darwins black box" has also been negatively reviewed in scientific journals. At least he's even making an effort. lets look at the other "scientists" Kent hovind(claims to have four doctorates in education theology and biblical ministry with an honorary degree in divinity. Taught math and science for fifteen years in a high school. This one is the one that annoys me the most because despite having no scientific credentials or even an accredited degree, he presents himself as someone who understands the science of evolution better than people with advanced science degrees who research in labs and publish peer-reviewed papers) *facepalm* Adnan oktar( this one studied philosophyj Ray comfort ( no tertiary education) Kirk cameron( washed up child actor) Ken ham(public school science teacher) And yet they argue against evolution like they have a clue. Micheal behe does sha he's even the most reasonable out of them all. But he is still a psuedo scientist Intelligent design The comedy of science |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 7:31pm On Oct 29, 2016 |
jonbellion: You are right, many creationist are not well informed in science but that doesn't change the fact about evolution. Although many assertion they make may be unintelligent but looking deep at what they say, truly evolution has not yet answer many of their questions like the possibility of abiogenesis , macroevolution, etc. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by CoolUsername: 7:45pm On Oct 29, 2016 |
Kalatium: The theory of evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, evolution already assumes life before it makes any claim. Furthermore, macroevolution has been proven many times. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ Part 5 is the key point. Although, all the other parts are important. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Niflheim(m): 8:47pm On Oct 29, 2016 |
"I don't know why Evolution cannot just start another human race"......................Jezuuz faking Qwist!!! See stupidity in action ohh!!! Admit it!!! Uou are a disgrace to the educational system!!! You must have heard of a magazine called "Complete Football"!!! You should become the Editor-in-Chief of a similar version titled, "Complete Foolball"!!! |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 11:38pm On Oct 29, 2016 |
CoolUsername: The link is not working |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by CoolUsername: 12:03am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium: Maybe you can try the link tomorrow. The side seems to be down for now. I still have another link that shows several examples of speciation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C3743329933 EDIT: I did some digging and found a mirror archive site for TalkOrigins.org: http://toarchive.org/faqs/comdesc/section5.html It still stands, part 5 is the area of concentration but you should read everything if you have the time. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 12:37am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Know that it's not only religious affiliates that do not support evolution, other atheist and scientists disagree with evolution. It still remains the most controversial theory in science. Last year, on the 150th anniversary of the publication of Origin of Species, Darwin's stock soared higher than Apple's. It's 2010—time for a market adjustment. The philosopher Daniel Dennett once called the theory of evolution by natural selection "the single best idea anyone has ever had." I'm inclined to agree. But Darwinism sticks in the craw of some really smart people. I don't mean intelligent-designers (aka IDiots) and other religious ignorami but knowledgeable scientists and scholars. Take, for example, the philosopher Jerry Fodor of Rutgers University and the cognitive scientist Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini of the University of Arizona in Tucson. In What Darwin Got Wrong (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2010), these self-described atheists argue that the theory of natural selection is "fatally flawed." Their book, which I reviewed for The Philadelphia Inquirer, is, well, fatally flawed. For example, they air familiar debates over how large a role contingency plays in evolution; whether natural selection operates primarily at the level of genes; why certain clusters of genes persist unchanged for eons. Fodor and Piattelli-Palmarini wrap up the discussion of each debate with the same kicker: natural selection must be wrong. But saying debates over contingency, levels of selection and gene conservation disprove evolutionary theory is like saying debates over the formation of Saturn's rings disprove heliocentrism. If you're going to shoot the king, the old saying goes, you had better kill him. Fodor and Piattelli-Palmarini don't even wound Darwin. What Darwin Got Wrong nonetheless serves as a useful reminder of more coherent complaints about natural selection. I lump Darwin's secular critics into two camps: Some, such as the left-leaning biologists Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Lewontin (who are cited by Fodor and Piattelli-Palmarini), fear the political implications of Darwinian theory. If we accept evolutionary explanations of human nature, they suggest, we may come to believe that many insidious modern "-isms"—unbridled capitalism, racism, sexism and militarism—were highly probable outcomes of evolution and thus not easily subject to change. Given how genetic theories have been employed in the past, these concerns have merit. Other critics object to Darwinism for precisely the opposite reason. They fear that evolutionary theory, even when buttressed by modern genetics and molecular biology, does not make reality probable enough. Reality seems too precarious, too much a product of blind luck. No one has worked harder to solve the improbability problem than the biologist Richard Dawkins. Ironically, Dawkins has also revealed how deep and possibly intractable the problem is. In Climbing Mount Improbable (W. W. Norton, 1997) Dawkins emphasizes that the vast majority of variants of a given species fail to propagate; there are many more ways to be a loser in the game of life than to be a success. Surely that is true of life as a whole. Of all the imaginable possible histories of life, what is the likelihood that it would persist for billions of years, long enough to produce toads, baboons and Glenn Beck? Dawkins also notes that "nature, unlike humans with brains, has no foresight." Each individual organism pursues its short-term interests regardless of the long-term consequences for life as a whole or even for other members of the species. Given this fact, it is all too easy to imagine scenarios in which one species—a bacterium or virus, perhaps—runs amok and destroys all life on Earth. If our past was improbable, our future might be as well. Recognizing this implication of evolutionary theory, some scientists have proposed alternative mechanisms to make life more robust. For example, biochemists such as Ilya Prigogine and Stuart Kauffman (cited by Fodor and Piattelli-Palmarini) have postulated "self-organization" forces that made the origin of life and its subsequent history highly probable. Other theorists have proposed that natural selection may favor not just genes or individuals but populations, species, even entire ecosystems. The most extreme version of this group-selection concept is Gaia theory, which holds that all of life somehow conspires to ensure its continued survival. Self-organization and Gaia are flawed theories that have won few adherents, but that doesn't mean that the problem they address doesn't exist. Early in his career, the philosopher Karl Popper (yes, cited by F and P-P) called evolution via natural selection "almost a tautology" and "not a testable scientific theory but a metaphysical research program." Attacked for these criticisms, Popper took them back. But when I interviewed him in 1992, he blurted out that he still found Darwin's theory dissatisfying. "One ought to look for alternatives!" Popper exclaimed, banging his kitchen table. Is it possible that some future genius will discover an alternative that supplants Darwinism as our framework for understanding life? Will we ever look back on Darwin as brilliant but wrong? |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:10am On Oct 30, 2016 |
CoolUsername: I have read it, Great article about speciation and evidence of macroevolution, but the problem is I didn't see evidence of a species changing into another different species. Microevolution show change In size of animals, color of skin but the species did not change. It is undeniable that there is no direct evidence for evolution. Accept it or not. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Seun(m): 1:16am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:How do you define species? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:35am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Seun:Thesame way you will define species |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by CoolUsername: 1:38am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium: No, no, no. Part 5 clearly gives examines of examples of animals in reproductive isolating toward one another, which is sympatric speciation. It also covers ring species. The article then gives a further link for observed cases of it which has several examples of it. I told you to focus on part 5. The least you could have done was follow through with it. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:39am On Oct 30, 2016 |
If evolutionists can finally provide direct evidence for evolution then we will stop debating and evolution theory will no longer be controversial. Period |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 1:41am On Oct 30, 2016 |
CoolUsername:But I have not seen any direct evidence of one species evolving into another. |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by SirShifty: 2:29am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Evolution explains more about the phenomena of life than all of the religious leaders. Darwin over 150 years ago demonstrated that the so called inspired writers of the Bible and Quran knew nothing of the origin of man, nothing of geology, nothing of astronomy, nothing of nature. He showed that the Bible was born out of ignorance and fear, he destroyed the foundation of Religion, there is nothing left other than faith. Now Christians have come up with creationism which is not science, is not peer reviewed they produce no empirical evidence. It is laughed at in any respectable scientific circle and most Christians in the West acknowledge evolution as fact 1 Like |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by akindlesfarm: 4:24am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Pls o did bedbugs evolved and are they going to ever evolved to stop sucking blood before they cause aneamia in human beings |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 8:18am On Oct 30, 2016 |
SirShifty:That's where you get it wrong. Where is the prove that most Christian in the West acknowledge evolution?.. According to pew centre most people(apart) from Christian do not accept evolution |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Kalatium(m): 8:19am On Oct 30, 2016 |
akindlesfarm:Your question don't deserve an answer |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by Seun(m): 8:55am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:"a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." Kalatium:Can you give some examples of the kind of direct evidence of evolution that would convince you that the theory of evolution is true? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by SirShifty: 9:07am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:I don't know how you interpreted the data, but yes most Christians in the US and Western Europe accept evolution, they tend to believe in a theistic form of evolution in which God starts the process which is different from creationist, 6000 year old concept |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by SirShifty: 9:08am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:We can extrapolate based on the percentage of Christians in the population of these countries excluding Turkey 1 Like
|
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by raphieMontella: 9:23am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:what kinda direct evidence do you need? |
Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by wirinet(m): 9:27am On Oct 30, 2016 |
Kalatium:So you accept man as a specie, but you reject the "origin of species"? So what specie is man? Do you also accept man is in the Hominidae family? |
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (Reply)
Going To Church Prolongs Your Life By 14 Years - Experts / Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example / And Such Were Some Of You : Will Believers Not Enter The Kingdom?- Jack Kelley
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 76 |