PentiumProf:

These guys don't tire me
They are full of falsehood
Not long ago i watched a documentary on the jan 1966 coup
The documentary was aired on tvc which is owned by drug dealer tinubu
I stopped watching the programme because of how they twisted the story to favour them
One of the problems facing ndi igbo is that we do not control the print and electronic media
Because of that the afonja people have the advantage of twisting history to favour them
Our wealthy sons need to invest in the media
The media is a powerful means of disseminating information

Akaujaa:


Oga, Zik is gone without doing anything for the Igbos according to you, we agree, but I think you should be telling us what you are now doing to be greater and do better for the Igbos than Zik himself.

shigothang:



That's the truth .The west were denied some chances due their their level of exposure before th indepndence .

The british planned a designed a country tO favor and rule by the north ,while the east supports them.

The first VC of Ibadan coming from the east is the plan to give the east a stake ( the cath up pan to meet up with the west).

There wre plans to make other regions to catch up woith western nigeria ,and that's why federal character was introduced ,so otheer tribs an meet and we ve a balanced country .

You can read the confession of Harold smith on lies about population!how the west were denied numbers.

Even the pominent Ijaw activist Joseph Evah, was said ther wre plans in nigeria to make other troibes cath up the with west ,which is paying off.

I think the advantage the Ibos ve more than other tribes,its bcuz they have a large population compare to opther tribes,so its visible to notice they are catching up and are ready to dominate but I don't think th west are dozing .

You forgot that Ajayi Crowder played a vital role in the lives of all ibo man, and most of their elites schooled here and leanrt alot from us ,they even dress like us,evolving through our cultural practices and developing a western orientation.

Wheen u talk of industrialist,the west lead and others follow(the okin biscuit,alabukun's and others) in this area and still churning out more ,though the ibo are really trying in the area .
There was a programme on tv years back ,on NTA ,hosted by a lady from eastern part or the S south (Hallmark of Labour) . Its a show to celebrate those who contributed to nigeria's development from different sectors. Its was a very good and well commended ,the programme attest to the fat on how thw west dominated and plaeyd a vital role in all sectors of Nigeria's existence but from the public and private setors of the entity .


That's fact is the west leads ,while others follows but amongst the followers,one is angry ,focus and playing a smart game to lead. To me ,I see this a normal thing.Its a welcome motive to me,it will wake us up ,if we can only havea resource control and self rule.

Imagine a east with a mordern rgional capital that ink the west and south to the north via a 21st century railway .


God bless us all.

shigothang:



https://m.facebook.com/Ijawmog/posts/276577485790380



http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/11/in-the-next-30-years-our-language-will-suffer-if-nothing-is-done-comrade-evah/

Read that .

CliffordOrji:
As a true Nwafo Igbo I am often perplexed whenever I read/hear my Ummuna brothers refer to Nnamdi Azikiwe as a Hero. For those who do not know; Nnamdi Azikiwe betrayed we Igbos. He was the one that composed the Biafran National Anthem, but ironically, during the heat of the Biafran civil war, Azikiwe ran away from Biafra. He defected to Nigeria and supported the Nigerian governemnt in the killing of his own Biafran people.

Obafemi Awolowo's free education policy amongst many others is an achievement the Yoruba's can regard to as the legacy of the defunct Western region; what can we Igbos point to as Nnamdi Azikiwe's achievment in the eastern region? Nothing !!

For those who do not know; prior to the 1950's, Nnamdi Azikiwe left Igboland, he went to Yorubaland and greedily fought both tooth and nail to become the leader of the western regional house of assembly at Ibadan. Awolowo's political party, A.G defeated Azikiwe's NCNC and disgracefully chased him back to Igboland. When he came back to Alaigbo what did he do for we Igbos? Nothing!! This particular university we are beating our chest about was built many years after more than five generation of Yoruba's had been going to the University in England. Even Chinua Achebe the greatest academia in Igboland had his own university education in Yorubaland at the University College of Ibadan

shigothang:



That's the truth .The west were denied some chances due their their level of exposure before th indepndence .

The british planned a designed a country tO favor and rule by the north ,while the east supports them.

The first VC of Ibadan coming from the east is the plan to give the east a stake ( the cath up pan to meet up with the west).

There wre plans to make other regions to catch up woith western nigeria ,and that's why federal character was introduced ,so otheer tribs an meet and we ve a balanced country .

You can read the confession of Harold smith on lies about population!how the west were denied numbers.

Even the pominent Ijaw activist Joseph Evah, was said ther wre plans in nigeria to make other troibes cath up the with west ,which is paying off.

I think the advantage the Ibos ve more than other tribes,its bcuz they have a large population compare to opther tribes,so its visible to notice they are catching up and are ready to dominate but I don't think th west are dozing .

You forgot that Ajayi Crowder played a vital role in the lives of all ibo man, and most of their elites schooled here and leanrt alot from us ,they even dress like us,evolving through our cultural practices and developing a western orientation.

Wheen u talk of industrialist,the west lead and others follow(the okin biscuit,alabukun's and others) in this area and still churning out more ,though the ibo are really trying in the area .
There was a programme on tv years back ,on NTA ,hosted by a lady from eastern part or the S south (Hallmark of Labour) . Its a show to celebrate those who contributed to nigeria's development from different sectors. Its was a very good and well commended ,the programme attest to the fat on how thw west dominated and plaeyd a vital role in all sectors of Nigeria's existence but from the public and private setors of the entity .


That's fact is the west leads ,while others follows but amongst the followers,one is angry ,focus and playing a smart game to lead. To me ,I see this a normal thing.Its a welcome motive to me,it will wake us up ,if we can only havea resource control and self rule.

Imagine a east with a mordern rgional capital that ink the west and south to the north via a 21st century railway .


God bless us all.

Ihuomadinihu:

Oh Chim. Why not read Azikiwe's biography before writing these things? By 1945, Azikiwe had just joined his first party and was still printing his Newspaper to fight colonialism and Western imperialism which influenced Political consciousness amongst Nigerians and Africans.
Nigerian's struggle for independence was not as Radical and violent as other nations so there was no reason to carry arms against White men. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Azikiwe's newspapers galvanised people into agitating for independence. Azikiwe on his own was a mentor to Nkurmah because Zik's beliefs inspired him and increased his belief in African Nationalism.

If we are talking of Africans at the forefront of the fight against European imperialism and agitations for independence then Nnamdi Azikiwe was way in the front. What's the point of diminishing a person's legacy because he doesn't come from your ethnic group?
It's quite pathetic.

Igboid:


Yes, the media is a strong weapon. Not understanding the importance of media in twisting the perception of masses by our pre civil war fore runners made us pay the ultimate price.

Never again would Yoruba lies be left unchallenged. Every bit of their falsehood must be debunked and exposed as blatant propaganda. It will not survive the scrutiny of the 21st century ICT age.

DaPuncline:

I've read Zik's Biography several times. I've done my home work well before engaging you in an argument. I've told you several times I'am not diminishing zik's influence but we just have to put the record straight.

I simply told you earlier zik was also influential but we have some african leaders that are more influential, well rooted in Pan-African movement and were known to be a relevant forces by the whites.
Here is the link to Pan-Africanism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Africanism.

I've read thoroughly several times and Zik's name was not mention.

Here is an Excerpt from the link:


Pan-African advocates include
leaders such as Haile Selassie, Julius
Kambarage Nyerere, Ahmed Sekou Toure,
Kwame Nkrumah and Muammar Gaddafi,
grassroots organizers such as Marcus
Garvey and Malcolm X, academics such as
W. E. B. Du Bois, and others in the diaspora.

Beside, Kwame Nkrumah brought the idea of Organization of African Unity (now the
African Union) was established in 1963 to
safeguard the sovereignty and territorial
integrity of its Member States and to
promote global relations within the
framework of the United Nations.

So you criteria for putting Zik at the fore front of Pan-Africanist is what I don't understand.

Ihuomadinihu:

Now that you know that Azikiwe was one of foremost Pan African Nationalist,you need to explain what you mean by seasoned?
Or do you just use words that you can't define?
What could be more seasoned than a man that hustled to study in America when most of his African/Nigeria contemporaries had not set foot in America?
What could be more seasoned than a man that has Howard University, Lincoln University and Pennsylvania University as his Alma Mater?
What could be more seasoned than a man that earned his degree,masters and Phd in first class American Universities?
What could be more seasoned than a man that wrote articles for top Afro American newspapers and taught in their Universities?
What could be more seasoned than a man that published Newspapers that mentored folks and inspired the fight for independence in most parts of Africa?
His newspapers which he strategically established in different parts of Nigeria became the pricipal tool of stimulating Nigerian Nationalism and subsequently he was regarded as a Messanic symbol of Nigerian Nationhood and African Nationalism.
Learn to choose your words carefully,just because Azikiwe was not your Kinsmen doesn't mean you have the right to belittle his Legacies which are respected across Africa.

Ihuomadinihu:

It's still pathetic that you keep looking for loopholes to confine his legacy to a particular level. Would you been fighting to do so if he was from your ethnic group?
A man has been credited by Colonialist,his Nation, his Contemporaries and African yet he sink so low to state he was not that good. Is this how bad Tribalism has overtaken Nigeria?
You wouldn't be struggling to undermine Azikiwe's legacies which resonate across Africa.
Azikiwe is the only Nigerian recognized by the international community as an African Nationalist and if you care to know,he was one of the principal converners of Pan African Conference in London, 1945 which drew black people from across the world. Today,people cannot talk about Nationalism,Anti colonial struggle and Pan African ideologies without a mention of Azikiwe.
Everything must not end up on Wikipedia. There are books and resources out there they must be utilized.
His journalism poweress took him to Ghana where he addressed Ghanaians to stand against colonialism. It was in Ghana that Nkrumah got inspired by Azikiwe's Pan African philosophies.
Through Azikiwe's guidiance, Nkrumah travelled to America for studies.
Azikiwe was not just a Pan African leader,his political philosophies inspired others to fight for independence. His work as a journalist equally sent him to prison and his Newspaper was suspended because the White men was afraid of this Igbo man that came to push them out of power. Yes, Azikiwe was at the front of Pan African Nationalism along with his contemporaries of that period.
I wouldn't return to this argument again seeing that you are only fighting because Azikiwe was an Igbo man.

DaPuncline:

Bros being a Renown and Seasoned African Nationalist goes beyond attending First Class Universities or the strength of your media house. FFK attended first class universities, is he a renown African Nationalist ? The likes of Nelson Mandela, Gaddafi, Haile Seilassie, Patrice Lumumba, Keneth Kaunda etc. never attended first class universities but africans always regard them and put them at the forefront of African Nationalism. There are things those aforementioned men experienced that zik never took part

Firstly, Zik was lucky never to have experienced thorough and brutal oppression from the colonial masters before achieving his results . Most of the aforementioned men were brutally tortured and dealt with, some even lost their lives in the heat of the struggle, some were imprisoned for a long time, some even were killed after gaining their independence. Someone like Haile Selaisse brutally repelled the italians invasion to colonize Ethiopia and he won. Nkrumah was removed by a coup in conjunction with CIA. Lumumba was assassinated by the Americans and Belgians in which they later apologised. What it means is that Zik strength and Courage was never tested in the face of oppression and brutality! Nobody knows whether he would have succumbed to the whites.

Secondly, Zik never ruled his country though he forged an alliance with Balewa a Grade II teacher to become the Gov-General which was a ceremonial Post.

The Legendary Harold Smith said:

"We tricked Azikwe into accepting to
be president having known that Balewa will
be the main man with power. Awolowo has
to go to jail to cripple his genius plans for a
greater Nigeria".

It means Zik was never seen as the Number one figure in his country not to talk of Africa as a whole!

In conclusion zik is one of the best African nationalist but when it comes to greatness he has people at his front.

DaPuncline:

Bros being a Renown and Seasoned African Nationalist goes beyond attending First Class Universities or the strength of your media house. FFK attended first class universities, is he a renown African Nationalist ? The likes of Nelson Mandela, Gaddafi, Haile Seilassie, Patrice Lumumba, Keneth Kaunda etc. never attended first class universities but africans always regard them and put them at the forefront of African Nationalism. There are things those aforementioned men experienced that zik never took part

Firstly, Zik was lucky never to have experienced thorough and brutal oppression from the colonial masters before achieving his results . Most of the aforementioned men were brutally tortured and dealt with, some even lost their lives in the heat of the struggle, some were imprisoned for a long time, some even were killed after gaining their independence. Someone like Haile Selaisse brutally repelled the italians invasion to colonize Ethiopia and he won. Nkrumah was removed by a coup in conjunction with CIA. Lumumba was assassinated by the Americans and Belgians in which they later apologised. What it means is that Zik strength and Courage was never tested in the face of oppression and brutality! Nobody knows whether he would have succumbed to the whites.

Secondly, Zik never ruled his country though he forged an alliance with Balewa a Grade II teacher to become the Gov-General which was a ceremonial Post.

The Legendary Harold Smith said:

"We tricked Azikwe into accepting to
be president having known that Balewa will
be the main man with power. Awolowo has
to go to jail to cripple his genius plans for a
greater Nigeria".

It means Zik was never seen as the Number one figure in his country not to talk of Africa as a whole!

In conclusion zik is one of the best African nationalist but when it comes to greatness he has people at his front.

Igboid:


How exactly did Zik force the North into Nigeria project? With what Army was he able to effect this coercion? When did this forcefull annexation of the North into Nigeria take place? What's the name of the war? [/b]Who were the [b]leaders of the Armies involved?

I await your answers.

DaPuncline:

Bros you are still dribbling yourself like around maradona. You've repeated what you just wrote here several times. The issue you are having is: Simply because Azikwe is an IGBO MAN his influences, lifestyles, philosophies must no be debatable. Things are not done that way in the world of research; you bring your fact, I bring mine then we debate on it absent tribe and religion! But the problem is an average igbo man's argument is incomplete without incorporating tribe and religion. Did you see me include any yoruba man since the beginning of my argument on Zik even though there were Yorubas that were part of the pan-african struggle.

What I have been trying to tell you since is: it is unacceptable to make Azikwe the greatest african nationalist when we have the likes of Nelson Mandela, Gadaffi, Lumumba, Nkrumah, Kenyatta etc. And I've given you numerous reasons to back it up but you kept playing the tribal game. PEACE

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Zik of Africa was not an igbo coinage biko. Lwkmd.

And before zik became anything influential, igbos were already doing well in all sectors and in all regions.
Was there anything like zik/balewa union in the 30s, 40s? Yes, zik was instrumental in unn and Niger Bridge, not giving igbos free education or employments.
Stop consoling yourselves. Merit and competence supersedes everything.


After the war, the same Yorubas you called competent crippled our nationalized assets and corporations.

saintdennis:


Silly questions I expect from secondary students.

Feel free to go online & do ur research (tip: start from enahoro 1953 independence motion)

I only engage mature people in discussions of this nature.

DaPuncline:

So you mean Yorubas were not doing well before independence ? Was taking ur argument serious b4 but this one made me believe you've been blinded by bigotry! FYI yorubas were already running big companies b4 independence, companies like Eleganza, Okin Biscuit, Alabukun etc. Infact a yoruba man (I forgot his name) that tym was the first to start automobile importation business in nigeria. Or I guess the Niger Delta were feeding us that tym ?

And why did AZIKIWE wrote Britain to accuse awolowo of treason awolowo wanted to include right to secede in our constitution ? They should not have been plan to include secession if we were not dependent and doing well in our region.

Then you said Yorubas crippled national asset after the war: now I challenge you to provide evidence by listing the names of yorubas that crippled national asset. Remember you've asked for evidence several times and I've given you. Waiting for yours.

Igboid:


You are the silly one here.

You said they Zik "forced" the North into the Nigeria union. The onus is on you to provide details on the type of force Zik wielded on them to coerce them forcefully against their wishes into the union.

Your failure to do so, but instead resorting to ad hominem, underlie your intellectual laziness.

Spare me the trash talk next time. Thanks.

saintdennis:


Ignorance is bliss... if u think coercion exclusively involves armies or war then what do I have to discuss with u?

If u don't know what caused the kano. Riots and the northerners threat to secede and what azikiwe did after then WTF am I to discuss with u?

When u have learnt how to structure questions... I will engage you. Bye

CliffordOrji:
As a true Nwafo Igbo I am often perplexed whenever I read/hear my Ummuna brothers refer to Nnamdi Azikiwe as a Hero. For those who do not know; Nnamdi Azikiwe betrayed we Igbos. He was the one that composed the Biafran National Anthem, but ironically, during the heat of the Biafran civil war, Azikiwe ran away from Biafra. He defected to Nigeria and supported the Nigerian governemnt in the killing of his own Biafran people.

Obafemi Awolowo's free education policy amongst many others is an achievement the Yoruba's can regard to as the legacy of the defunct Western region; what can we Igbos point to as Nnamdi Azikiwe's achievment in the eastern region? Nothing !!

For those who do not know; prior to the 1950's, Nnamdi Azikiwe left Igboland, he went to Yorubaland and greedily fought both tooth and nail to become the leader of the western regional house of assembly at Ibadan. Awolowo's political party, A.G defeated Azikiwe's NCNC and disgracefully chased him back to Igboland. When he came back to Alaigbo what did he do for we Igbos? Nothing!! This particular university we are beating our chest about was built many years after more than five generation of Yoruba's had been going to the University in England. Even Chinua Achebe the greatest academia in Igboland had his own university education in Yorubaland at the University College of Ibadan

caracas:

Big lie ,zik never tried to introduce free education in the east. Ahmedo Bello tried to do it in the North but failed.
Zik was more interested in qualitative education than the quantitative one that free education offered.
In any case the ppl of the east cud afford the quality education n those who cudnt were helped by their families,communities n well to do individuals through scholarship schemes.
Thus the igbos were rapidly getting educated to the chagrin of Awolowo,who now decided to introduce the free education to the yorubas ,(who then were not really interested in education )So as to challenge the igbos .

The feat achieved by the Western Region in terms of the UPE led the Eastern Region to embark upon its own 8 years free education scheme. Thus, [b]in February 1957, the universal primary education scheme was launched in the Eastern Region using the fire-brigade approach. [/b]The government started the programme without adequate planning; thus, the needed finances for thorough execution were grossly inadequate. Summarily put by Oni (2008), almost everything, except the pupils, was absent. Unfortunately, due to pressure and lack of time for proper preparation, the schools were staffed by untrained teachers, therefore of low quality. The programme failed in just 1 year of its implementation (Oni, 2008).

Uchenduin:


wats wrong wt u?
Female private tutor on wat?other room?,recession? Whch one?

PentiumProf:

Go and read your history books
The igbos were killed in 1953 for protecting akintola and his fellow yorubas

Here, Mallam Inua Wada, a former Federal Minister and an honourable man, recalls: “It was the booing and jeering experienced by the Northern members of parliament at the hands of Lagos crowds in Lagos”. So, on Saturday, 16th May 1953, despite the fact that Chief Akintola team’s did not even turn up, red-eyed organised mobs and hoodlums went into action and killed innocent citizens from the South, especially those from the Eastern part of the country. One glaring point to note here says the Justice Onyiuke’s report, is, the use of government machinery to perpetuate and escalate the dastardly act. The Native Authority agents, who were supposed to protect the people, became agents of death.



Source=======http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/jos-riot-and-the-dead-mans-footsteps/

T9ksy:










1945 jos riot nko? Were the ibos also protecting Akintola, ni when the hausa/fulani mob set upon them with gusto?

PentiumProf:

I was talking about the 1953 riots not the 45 riots
I took your other moniker down the memory lane
since you claimed that the events of the Kano riots never existed