paddy_lo:

do u know that america right now is engaged in a public debate on how to fund the additional afghan troops obama ordered

whether to raise taxes and who to raise it on. .

meanwhile budget deficits baloon,unemployment rises. .elections are next yr and no american president has the guts now to go on another military misadventure overseas

but apart from what i just raised. .your premise is wrong. . .

what will they be sending troops to do here?

u cant wake up one morning and land your troops on foriegn soil

venezuela seized US company oil assets. . what happened?.  .even during bush

most americans are tired and demand afghan troops come home even as i speak

Uche2nna:

What hard truths are they conveying?  Telling me that Nigeria is in trouble is like telling me that the sun will shine tomorrow. Not a prophecy and  certainly not a novelty either.

The US have already made its decision on Nigeria a long time ago,  that explains why most of their activities (non-oil related) are concentrated in Ghana.  And thats the best they can do, no more , no less

As for those implying that the US have the magic wand to take over Nigeria , I laff at this new level of naivety in NL.

OAM4J:



All that America needs to do is to promote/sell the idea of war among us, and they come in the name of peace keeping.

My dear, I live in the US and I know everything that is going on (politically and economically)

I agree with you that they cant wake up one morning and land troops on our soil, even if they give us a year's warning we would still not be prepared.

Forget this long story. It will just be simple police action for them, you will even find our politicians becoming American and selling their mothers overnight. I can bet you that we don't even have enough petrol and diesel to sustain battle with Cameroun for two days, talkless of facing a couple aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines.

paddy_lo:

ok. . america can defeat any country in the world it takes on. .

that is not what we are arguing here. . .at least not me

i say nobody has the guts right now in america to order another military misadventure of dubious outcome

u sit in nigeria or wherever u are and dream up fantasies

meanwhile ppl in america are telling u the realities on the ground with regards the mood of the nation

paddy_lo:

when u wake up from this your fantasy or dream. .maybe u can contribute something meaningful to the discussion

paddy_lo:

ok so u are saying. . .our political problems will lead to some kind of conflict that will draw in the U.S for peacekeeping?

how come they are not invading guinea,honduras,zimbabwe,thailand,etc

i mean they will be easier countries to intervene in if your premise was true[/b]

OAM4J:

US economy has a stake in Nigeria oil.

Uche2nna:

U prolly need to understand the origin of Nigeria and its problems. The US dont need to come here and do $hit.

Since Independence , the Nigerian Govt have been promoting the idea of wars by their actions.

The US dont need to come to Nigeria and make the Northern Oligarchy to live in stupendous wealth while the Nothern populace are left as beggars on the streets.

The US dont need to come here and make all our politicians to be corrupt while all the public infrastructures lie in rot.

The US dont need to come here and make Federal Budgeting system in such a way that the region of the nation that produces the bulk of the wealth remanins the poorest. The US dont need to do that, No sireeee,

We do bad all by ourself. Its a Nigerian problem , not a US problem.

My friend, it is possible to live under the sun and remain blind. Is it not the same US that is carrying a new troop surge in Afghanistan. Putting more equipment in the desert? Combat in the desert with sophisticated equipment is very costly.

. . .And when did leaders start taking advice from the public on the need to go to war?

Uche2nna:

So?
Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela export the most oil into US than any other country.  U cant tell me that US and all those countries are very good bed fellows. Hugo Chavez and US are sworn enemies ad yet they still do bizness together.

Nigeria comes a distant 5th in oil exportation to the US. And with Oil showing up in different places in Angola that might change soon. Dont delude urself.

Uche2nna:

So?
Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela export the most oil into US than any other country.  U cant tell me that US and all those countries are very good bed fellows. Hugo Chavez and US are sworn enemies ad yet they still do bizness together.

Nigeria comes a distant 5th in oil exportation to the US. And with Oil showing up in different places in Angola that might change soon. Dont delude urself.

OAM4J:

I agree with you. But in the event of war in this country, US will show up, to protect their selfish interest as usual. And if the war will profit them, they will encourage it (indirectly).

Don't forget, they have already predicted Nigeria as a failed state by 2015.

paddy_lo:

u remind me of liberians who destroyed their country. . in the misguided hopes that the almighty americans would intervene

they waited in vain. . while fighting a war that made no sense to anybody anywhere on earth

only a foolish person would wish for an american intervention in any country they call home

but again u insist u are making sense so what can i say

The Sly:

This is lame.
Niger Delta is not located in California or Alaska.

Uche2nna:

I hope U are being sarcastic
Cos that statement sounds like one from a 13 yr old that have seen too many commando movies

paddy_lo:

yea right u protect your interests by shooting it up. . .just months after there is relative security in the region from amnesty
meanwhile u do nothing for the last 10yrs while the militants were blowing ish up. . .
i wonder how ppl reason sometimes

Uche2nna:

So?
Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela export the most oil into US than any other country.  U cant tell me that US and all those countries are very good bed fellows. Hugo Chavez and US are sworn enemies ad yet they still do bizness together.

Nigeria comes a distant 5th in oil exportation to the US. And with Oil showing up in different places in Angola that might change soon. Dont delude urself.

tanimz:

Is their govt. and economy as destabilized as ours?

Beaf:

You need to find out the meaning of "sweet crude". Nigeria's Bonny Light is about the best in the World (worth dying for). The oil from Venezuela is of very low quality, Saudi oil isn't much better.

Uche2nna:

I mentioned Mexico and Venezuela and U are asking about Govt? This is a joke, right? :

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Country Sep-09 Aug-09 YTD 2009 Sep-08 YTD 2008
CANADA 1,938 2,007 1,929 1,947 1,928
MEXICO 1,124 1,057 1,125 890 1,174
SAUDI ARABIA 1,031 745 1,023 1,429 1,525
VENEZUELA 1,014 1,007 1,014 944 1,038
NIGERIA 868 877 714 508 944

And yet they import about 2,000 barrels from Canada per month and just about 900 barrels from Nigeria. I cant argue about the quality of the crude (I am not equipped to) but I am saying that Nigeria is not the be all and end all in term of Oil for the US.

Uche2nna:

I mentioned Mexico and Venezuela and U are asking about Govt?     This is a joke, right?   :

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Country Sep-09 Aug-09 YTD 2009 Sep-08 YTD 2008
CANADA 1,938 2,007 1,929 1,947 1,928
MEXICO 1,124 1,057 1,125 890 1,174
SAUDI ARABIA 1,031 745 1,023 1,429 1,525
VENEZUELA 1,014 1,007 1,014 944 1,038
NIGERIA 868 877 714 508 944

And yet they import about 2,000 barrels from Canada per month and just about 900 barrels from Nigeria. I cant argue about the quality of the crude (I am not equipped to) but I am saying that Nigeria is not the be all and end all in term of Oil for the US.

I think you are really daft man! Who is saying that the US will come and intervene to save us? Are you blind or you just don't read what others write?
The argument from the start has always been that[b] they will come only for the oil[/b]. Jesus! How tough can that be to understand?

sjeezy8:

[size=15pt]NO AMOUNT OF OIL IS TOO SMALL FOR AMERICA!!!!![/size]

Beaf:

The is a [b]huge [/b]cost margin when it comes to refining various grades of crude. Thats the crux.

paddy_lo:

a lot of u cats are watching too many movies.  .shoot militants,intervene in a country as large as france and uk combined. . .

break up of nigeria,us lands and protects interests,what interests are we talking about exactly. . .?

oil contracts signed by public quoted companies?

what u guys should be arguing instead that would make sense is that the U.S would prefarably install a puppet dictator

if things spiral out of control

how come they havent intervened in the democratic republic of congo?

its the richest country in africa. . plus american companies are still mining and doing business there

strangleyo:

I'm not sure how Nigeria was important in the world other than exporting people and oil.

paddy_lo:

can u actually tell me the last time the u.s actually intervened militarilly in a country because of commercial reasons.  .?

and dont tell me afghanistan

as for iraq, it was more geopolitics and israel.  .than any oil

if not they would have invaded and overthrown qaddaffi in the 1980s

OAM4J:

paddy_lo and Uche2nna, is like you too are not following the discussion from the begginning. No one is saying US will just come and start blowing things up. All we are saying is that if we dont put our a-ss together and we allow the current situation to degenerate, US will not fold their hands and watch because of their selfish interest in Nigeria and that explains why they are monitorung the current events in Nigeria and saying all that is in the 1st post.