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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by madapcmod: 8:55am On Apr 01, 2017
michoim:
Mike Ozekhome is a PDP lawyer that benefit from the proceeds of corruption. So he can never talk straight.

And falana is not APC lawyer?

If u watched the program without sentiment, mike clearly defeated falana with many citations who was barking without points

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Saintp(m): 8:55am On Apr 01, 2017
Jubrin was suspended, nobody was fighting for him till date. So why the brouhaha about Ndume? Is it because he is in Buhari's camp?

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by rusher14: 8:57am On Apr 01, 2017
gare:


What about those that where suspended before now, Dino was suspended in the house of Reps, Jibrin was suspended for whistle blowing, I expected Falana to fight for him, instead he kept quiet

Are you sure you watched the show?

Did you follow the link or even bother to read the extracts?

Because if you did, you would find that Falana stood for Dino and even won the case when it came up.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by sorepco(m): 8:57am On Apr 01, 2017
U guys should get the key words in the write up 1st. Methinks they are both right!!!
One is talking abut power to suspend and the other is talking about power to summond.




Leboska:
Falana's argument sounds more like a beer parlour's argument

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by babyfaceafrica: 8:58am On Apr 01, 2017
edogu:

NFCS does cheesy cheesy
maybe..bit our opinion does not count

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by dotcomnamename: 8:59am On Apr 01, 2017
What do u expect from Mike an iPod & PDP lawyer grin

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by AntiWailer: 9:00am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.

What useless analogy is this ?

Can a school principals suspend a secondary school student for not washing his car ?

Common. U are more intelligent than this.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by rusher14: 9:01am On Apr 01, 2017
Saintp:
Jubrin was suspended, nobody was fighting for him till date. So why the brouhaha about Ndume? Is it because he is in Buhari's camp?

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/03/30/falana-suspension-of-senator-ali-ndume-illegal/

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/local/abdulmumin-jibrin-suspension-of-lawmaker-is-illegal-falana-id5545719.html


Please stick to information you have on issues.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by richdaddy75: 9:04am On Apr 01, 2017
It's unconstitutional for a school principal to suspend the teacher who works under him. NASS suspension of its member is a show of shame, describing the legislators as lawbreakers. Sen Ndume raised an objection in the chamber based on the allegation received, called on the House to investigate. The fact that the allegation was proved wrong does not mean he should be suspended.

This to me means a threat to silence any attempt for whistle blower to unveil their secrets.

National Assembly members are rogues bending constitution to their sides

I suggest mass burial for them all

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by vickylincon(m): 9:05am On Apr 01, 2017
gare:


What about those that where suspended before now, Jibrin was suspended for whistle blowing, I expected Falana to fight for him, instead he kept quiet, he never mentioned his case, which very recent, I believe the senate has it rule books which they follow, Nndume may not have followed due process in presenting the issues
he fought for dino

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Intrepid01(m): 9:07am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.

Can you hear yourself, do you think matters of the law are subject to general sense? It is either expressly stated or implied , there is nothing like general belief......you and I are novice when it come hints of the law and as such lack the requisite knowledge to judge Mike n Falana.

Prof. Sagah, once said that where 2 lawyers argue there are always 3 sides, individuals view and a common view, but the last is always silent...that is their argument isn't totally exclusive.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Saintp(m): 9:09am On Apr 01, 2017
rusher14:


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/03/30/falana-suspension-of-senator-ali-ndume-illegal/

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/local/abdulmumin-jibrin-suspension-of-lawmaker-is-illegal-falana-id5545719.html


Please stick to information you have on issues.

Good. I respect him for maintaining his stands. Hope others making noise now made the same noise for Jubrin. I love it when people stand for principles instead of taking positions based on who is involved. I have already spotted the hypocrisy here.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Donemmy(m): 9:11am On Apr 01, 2017
ALAYORMII:
April 1st is named FOOL'S DAY, after Steve April. He was born on 1st April 1579. He did 105 businesses in his lifetime. He lost all his father's assets, and so everyone started calling him father of the fools.

At 19, he married a 61-year-old woman who divorced him after a year because of his foolishness. He used to read all kinds of fake stories like you are doing now.

Happy April Fool's day
pls dnt kill us with laughter

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by progress69: 9:11am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.
Are u a baby? What kind of kindergarten submission is this. Are sch teachers elected to their positions by the masses. Is it NASS that gives her members certificate of return(more like appointment letter ) or INEC? Falana argued with the constitution and won court cases, not some lame lawyer arguing without facts to back up his claim.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Chudichu(m): 9:11am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.
This is the problem, we make decisions based on our moral stand or what we think is right. Issues like these should be handled according to what the law stipulates. Not based on anyone's moral view point. That is why we have the constitution.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by piusjoe(m): 9:14am On Apr 01, 2017
President99:
Let Mike tell us the part of the constitution or subsisting court judgment he relied on to say so or he should keep his wishful thinking to himself or his stupid logic. What makes Mike a lawyer is still law and not logic. Falana cited constitution and subsisting high/appeal court judgments to buttress his stand. Suspending a NASS member is illegal coz he represents constituency which is part of Nigeria. If NASS a member iasuspended, are u telling us tat his constituents cant be part of lawmaking in Nigeria? There should be other ways of disciplining erring members!

Very reasonable

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by duni04(m): 9:16am On Apr 01, 2017
Saintp:
Jubrin was suspended, nobody was fighting for him till date. So why the brouhaha about Ndume? Is it because he is in Buhari's camp?
Whose business is it that Jubrin didn't challenge his suspension in court? There is already a legal precedent that the House of Reps has no power to suspend a member for more than 2 weeks. Dino melaye vs the house of reps made it very clear.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by ayindejimmy(m): 9:17am On Apr 01, 2017
freeze001:
Does Falana mean that the NASS does not or cannot have an internal disciplinary mechanism applicable to its members? Is that not what the independence of the NASS is about? Is he also going to say the NJC has no power to investigate petitions made on judges and make its pronouncements before further action is taken because they are also subject to the provisions of the Constitution?

The NASS must be and is in fact able to activate an internal investigation and disciplinary mechanism for its members particularly on the conduct of any member as in the case of Ali Ndume.

Read between the lines.

If it's a criminal allegation, it's beyond them.
Do they have any crime dictecting or prevention agency?

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by intruxive(m): 9:19am On Apr 01, 2017
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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by aribisala0(m): 9:21am On Apr 01, 2017
freeze001:
Does Falana mean that the NASS does not or cannot have an internal disciplinary mechanism applicable to its members? Is that not what the independence of the NASS is about? Is he also going to say the NJC has no power to investigate petitions made on judges and make its pronouncements before further action is taken because they are also subject to the provisions of the Constitution?

The NASS must be and is in fact able to activate an internal investigation and disciplinary mechanism for its members particularly on the conduct of any member as in the case of Ali Ndume.
There is case law on this.This is not the first time.People have gone to the courts in the past and the courts have pronounced on the matter I believe at the Appeal Court level. That Court pronouncemment is therefore,the law, unless the Supreme Court reverses it.

@ Topic. This is misleading.

Ability to susend and power to summon are COMPLETELY SEPARATE issues. What is the connection

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Nobody: 9:23am On Apr 01, 2017
fergie001:
Watched it on Channels this morning,I saw 2 people trying as much as possible to position themselves for jobs from both arms of Government.
But that Ozekhome mouth too sweet,though I know he is a PDP lawyer and cited important sections.
Falana already has his hands stained,and cited equally nice assertions that dealt realisticallly on morals rather than legal krankumkrankums.
OP,u tried but Ozekhome also mentioned Sections 2,3,4,5.He also quoted the Customs Act(CIMA),section 31.
He also gave examples of the Major-General in charge of FRSC who still puts on the FRSC uniform,and 2 other examples.
He cited the case between Arthur Nzeribe and Senate where he called them legislathieves.Arthur Nzeribe was suspended for 12months.
He said for the fact that even Prof. Itse Sagay draws salaries and emoluments from the FG is entitled to be summoned,even if he weren't drawing salaries,he can be summoned.
He also stated by virtue of the CIMA Act,Hameed Alli is the CG and not a sole administrator,it is mandated DAT every custom official is recognized by his/her uniform.
He also stated that Magu ceased to be EFCC boss since on the 17th of March,that his name was rejected,and he can't continue in his capacity by virtue of section 2 of the EFCC Act.
That the President reserved the right to have left him in Ag.Capacity for 4years but by virtue of the fact that he has been rejected,there is no position for AG.Executive Chairman.
I maybe wrong sha,
Lawyers in d house,ngwanu.



Although I didnt watch the video, but you made everything easy for those of us using Nokia 3310.
Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by ayindejimmy(m): 9:24am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.

Following your School principal analogy, so if a student commits armed robbery or just robbery, how does the principal discipline him?
That is already a criminal offence and it's beyond the principal's scope of authority if the matter is reported to the police. Does the principal have any mechanism to investigate crime?

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by fergie001: 9:25am On Apr 01, 2017
opal4real:




Although I didnt watch the video, but you made everything easy for those of us using Nokia 3310.
Hahahah,no bad bro,
Though na advanced Nokia I dey use sha
Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by olagamalin(m): 9:27am On Apr 01, 2017
Res Ipsa Loquitur. I won't bother to overstress this issue. The Courts have made several pronouncements on this contentious issue. We should be careful not to allow this current National Assembly start a bad precedent. I.e Suspending any member with divergent views to the Leadership of the house. It is what It is.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by bukiboy(m): 9:30am On Apr 01, 2017
LastProphet:
Ozhekome, the senior advocate of thieves, he reminds me of the character Saul in the Breaking Bad film series.
You come on social media to call someone a thief, if the man sue you now you will be crying. If na thief abeg go steal your own now
Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by OMEGA009(m): 9:32am On Apr 01, 2017
When they jumped the fence, we applauded them. Now they are showing their nuclear capabilities and we are shouting "scrap the senate". Scraping the Senate because of Saraki is like boycotting beef because of Fulani herdsmen.
Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by aribisala0(m): 9:37am On Apr 01, 2017
lokobyforch:

Really, u are saying a school principal cannot discipline a school teacher because it was not stated in the appointment letter, we bend nominal Nigerian laws just to suit selfish interest... a police man does not have to wear uniform because he was first a citizen.
Why do people always resort to proverbs instead of logic.

Wetin consign Prinspa for this matter?

No need for silly analogies they are a poor substitute for reasoning.

The matter is simple if the courts have ruled on a matter it becomes LAW unless overturned by a higher court.

It is not subject to further debate or proverbial interpretation.

Our courts have ruled they CANNOT SUSPEND and that is the end of discussion. Leave Prinspa abeg


http://allafrica.com/stories/201012100543.html

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by Samtob90(m): 9:41am On Apr 01, 2017
swtdrms:


Don't mind them. Supporters of corruption will always support their corrupt heroes.

Back to the debate, Falana expantiated at length citing difference sections of the constitution and court judgments while Ozikhome didn't elaborate enough with sections of the constitution that give them the power and also no explanation of court orders.

I give it to Falan
They have one objective to achieve which is to nail anybody that does not support their corrupt agenda. They therefore close their eyes on what the constitution state and ignore the decided cases.
Ndume ought to have gone to court immediately

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by NaijaAccountant: 9:41am On Apr 01, 2017
Firstly, what does section 1(2)(3) of the 1999 Constitution says?
1.This constitution is supreme and its provisions shall have binding force on the authorities and persons throughout the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

2 If any other law is inconsistent with the provisions of this Constitution, this Constitution shall prevail, and that other law shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.

Falana based his augment within the Ambit of the Nigerian Constitution which is far superior than the Legislative privilege Act which Mike augment was revolving around. Also, we should not neglect judicial precedents most especially that of the "Court of Appeal" which is a superior court. Remember the Judiciary is responsible for interpreting laws not the lawmakers.

Concerning the right to summon Professor Sagey. Mike was of the opinion that the Senate can summon anybody to appear before them. But the question is on what ground or basis can the Senate summon an individual to appear before her?

Provision of the law:
Legislative Privileges Act; Section 4 to Section 5 says,
Power of committee to order attendance of witnesses

A committee of a Legislative House authorised by the standing orders thereof or by a resolution of the House to send for persons, papers and records may order any person-

(a) to attend before it and to give evidence; or

(b) to attend before it and to produce any paper, book, record or other document in the possession or control of such person.

5. Issue and service of summons to attend

(1) Any order to attend, to give evidence or to produce documents before a committee of a Legislative House in accordance with section 4 of this Act shall be notified to the person required to attend or to produce documents, by a summons under the hand of the Clerk of the House issued by the direction of the President or Speaker thereof.

(2) In every summons issued in accordance with subsection (1) of this section, there shall be stated the time when and the place where the person summoned is required to attend and, in the case of an order made in accordance with paragraph (b) of section 4 of this Act, the documents he is required to produce.

(3) Subject to the provisions of subsection (4) of this section, every such summons shall be served on the person mentioned therein by delivering to him a copy thereof and there shall be paid or tendered to the person so summoned such sum for expenses as may be authorised by standing order of the House.

(4) A summons issued in accordance with this section may be served by an officer of a Legislative House or by a police officer:

Provided that the President or Speaker may, if he is satisfied that for any reason personal service of a summons cannot be effected, order that service be effected by forwarding the same by registered post addressed to the person to whom it is directed at his last known place of abode or business.

Section 88 of the 1999 Constitution
Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, each House of the National Assembly shall have power by resolution published in its journal or in the Official Gazette of the Government of the Federation to direct or cause to be directed investigation into -

(a) any matter or thing with respect to which it has power to make laws, and

(b) the conduct of affairs of any person, authority, ministry or government department charged, or intended to be charged, with the duty of or responsibility for -

(i) executing or administering laws enacted by National Assembly, and

(ii) disbursing or administering moneys appropriated or to be appropriated by the National Assembly.

(2) The powers conferred on the National Assembly under the provisions of this section are exercisable only for the purpose of enabling it to -

(a) make laws with respect to any matter within its legislative competence and correct any defects in existing laws; and

(b) expose corruption, inefficiency or waste in the execution or administration of laws within its legislative competence and in the disbursement or administration of funds appropriated by it.

Hence, the legislative Privileges Act and the Constitution gives the legislators power to summon an individual when carrying out an investigation which is involving waste, corruption in ministries, Dept etc established by the Act of Parliament and which falls with the Ambit of their oversight function.

PACAC (Nigeria) was established in 2015 as part of the President’s strategy to combat corruption in Nigeria. Its mandate includes promoting reform agenda in anti-corruption, advising on the prosecution of the war against corruption and implementation of reforms in criminal justice system. It should be noted that the PACAC headed by Prof Sagey is an advisory committee not a ministry, agency or commission. It is only responsible to the president. Its duty is to advice Mr. President on how he can fight the war against corruption. The committee does not in any way assert power on any governmental agency.
In conclusion, the Senate does not have any power both in the Constitution and in its Privileges Act to summon Prof Sagay because he only made an opinion not found to involve in fraudulent activities. Also, he does not fall under the oversight jurisdiction of the Senate.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by frankiedudu: 9:45am On Apr 01, 2017
swtdrms:


Don't mind them. Supporters of corruption will always support their corrupt heroes.

Back to the debate, Falana expantiated at length citing difference sections of the constitution and court judgments while Ozikhome didn't elaborate enough with sections of the constitution that give them the power and also no

I give it to Falan

Where was falana during jubrin's case
Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by swtdrms(m): 9:47am On Apr 01, 2017
psucc:
As if you have ever seen the cover design of the said Constitution.

Thanks you very much. I need not engage u further because people of ur calibre will always divert from issue based argument to insults.

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Re: Mike Ozekhome Vs Femi Falana On Ndume's Suspension by swtdrms(m): 9:48am On Apr 01, 2017
frankiedudu:


Where was falana during jubrin's case

I wouldn't know, you can put the question to him

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