sorepco:
U guys should get the key words in the write up 1st. Methinks they are both right!!!
One is talking abut power to suspend and the other is talking about power to summond.

frankiedudu:


Where was falana during jubrin's case

lokobyforch:
Abeg who win this debate?



http://www.channelstv.com/2017/03/31/senate-has-the-right-to-summon-anyone-mike-ozekhome/




http://www.channelstv.com/2017/03/31/no-legislative-house-power-suspend-member-femi-falana/

rusher14:


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/03/30/falana-suspension-of-senator-ali-ndume-illegal/

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/local/abdulmumin-jibrin-suspension-of-lawmaker-is-illegal-falana-id5545719.html

The question should be:

Where were you?

Leboska:
Falana's argument sounds more like a beer parlour's argument

freeze001:
Does Falana mean that the NASS does not or cannot have an internal disciplinary mechanism applicable to its members? Is that not what the independence of the NASS is about? Is he also going to say the NJC has no power to investigate petitions made on judges and make its pronouncements before further action is taken because they are also subject to the provisions of the Constitution?

The NASS must be and is in fact able to activate an internal investigation and disciplinary mechanism for its members particularly on the conduct of any member as in the case of Ali Ndume.

rusher14:


In green: has nothing to do with Ndume's case.

In red: That an act of illegality took place unchallenged doesn't make it legal.

Falana has cited 2 cases to buttress his point.

Case 1: involved Dino Melaye who was suspended by the leadership of the house of reps beyond the 14 day house rules and a judgement was given in his favour as a result.

Case 2: The Bauchi member of the state house who was suspended but got justice in the court, as the court ruled suspension of any member of any house for any period was totally illegal and against the constitution of the country which always enjoys superiority.

Eazybay:


I decided to quote u because u seemingly or actually u do have a point.

Now, as a senator he swore an oath to abide by the Senate rules.. The template of justice is simple! You cannot subject urself to a body or group and later turn around to say its rules are "draconian" in nature. Simply put Ndume is subject to d rules and disciplinary action of d house.. Law is about argument sir.

eduevolutionnow:

Na only u get sense for here. The power to summon is different from the power to suspend. Nass or the senate doesn't have any power to suspend any lawmaker for a single day. He was elected by his constituency and only his constituency can recall him. Bunch of educated idiots for Nairaland.

rusher14:


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/03/30/falana-suspension-of-senator-ali-ndume-illegal/

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/local/abdulmumin-jibrin-suspension-of-lawmaker-is-illegal-falana-id5545719.html

The question should be:

Where were you?

eph12:

And Jibrin was still suspended after Falana spoke about it? Everyone can go and rest then. Falana calling it illegal is of no relevance at all.

lokobyforch:

But when Buhari could not provide the necessary certification, the constitution was not important, when judges were treated like mare criminals, the constitution was debatable, u are just ignorantly foolish...

mobaking:
Ok,falana was not biased when he took the national assembly to court over Dino melaye's suspension?.

swtdrms:


Don't mind them. Supporters of corruption will always support their corrupt heroes.

Back to the debate, Falana expantiated at length citing difference sections of the constitution and court judgments while Ozikhome didn't elaborate enough with sections of the constitution that give them the power and also no explanation of court orders.

I give it to Falan

rusher14:


The laws of the house can never supercede the constitution.

eduevolutionnow:

Na only u get sense for here. The power to summon is different from the power to suspend. Nass or the senate doesn't have any power to suspend any lawmaker for a single day. He was elected by his constituency and only his constituency can recall him. Bunch of educated idiots for Nairaland.

President99:
Let Mike tell us the part of the constitution or subsisting court judgment he relied on to say so or he should keep his wishful thinking to himself or his stupid logic. What makes Mike a lawyer is still law and not logic. Falana cited constitution and subsisting high/appeal court judgments to buttress his stand. Suspending a NASS member is illegal coz he represents constituency which is part of Nigeria. If NASS a member iasuspended, are u telling us tat his constituents cant be part of lawmaking in Nigeria? There should be other ways of disciplining erring members!

Eazybay:


The laws of the house guide WHATEVER happens in the house. That and that only is the template 4 judgement.. Leme ask u, if the Standing Rules wea unaltered and the election was done, seeing that Saraki had majority (which the constitution requires) do u think the judge would make his ruling 4rm d constitutional requirements (which stipulates the man with most votes becomes Pres) or the judge would rule from the Standing Rules (which stipulates the order the election is meant to follow)?

I'm expecting a reply,

rusher14:


Are you sure you watched the show?

Did you follow the link or even bother to read the extracts?

Because if you did, you would find that Falana stood for Dino and even won the case when it came up.

Mboi2:

You chose to answer the one you feel you have answer for. What did he do when Hon Jibrin was suspended?

Leboska:
Falana's argument sounds more like a beer parlour's argument

Eazybay:


I decided to quote u because u seemingly or actually u do have a point.

Now, as a senator he swore an oath to abide by the Senate rules.. The template of justice is simple! You cannot subject urself to a body or group and later turn around to say its rules are "draconian" in nature. Simply put Ndume is subject to d rules and disciplinary action of d house.. Law is about argument sir.

freeze001:
Does Falana mean that the NASS does not or cannot have an internal disciplinary mechanism applicable to its members? Is that not what the independence of the NASS is about? Is he also going to say the NJC has no power to investigate petitions made on judges and make its pronouncements before further action is taken because they are also subject to the provisions of the Constitution?

The NASS must be and is in fact able to activate an internal investigation and disciplinary mechanism for its members particularly on the conduct of any member as in the case of Ali Ndume.

pedrilo:
it is imperative to analyse issues with an objective mind.
u assumed a condescending posture to deliver ur judgement based on rethorical prowess of debaters and not reality.
if u go with falana, NASS becomes a toothless bulldog and a house where people come to make all sorts of noise without tangible impact on governance and gets paid for doing nothing to check the excesses of other arms of govt and its members
FOR EXAMPLE, according to falana, NASS can not audit the govt, only the auditor general appointed by the same govt can. does dat make any sense to you?

rusher14:


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/03/30/falana-suspension-of-senator-ali-ndume-illegal/

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/local/abdulmumin-jibrin-suspension-of-lawmaker-is-illegal-falana-id5545719.html

That's what he did.

Why do you guys love to support illegality so much?

rusher14:


No matter the analogies you wish to create a precedence has been set in the law court.

It may be in your interest to wish away what is sacrosanct in law by twisting and turning whilst looking for a way to justify illegality.

It wouldn't change the fact that the Senate has overreached, they have transgressed the Nigerian constitution and broken the law in the process.

Note


The minute the Senate relegates the constitution they themselves become an illegal entity.