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Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:56pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Kay17: Scrutiny . |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:01pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
Kay17: Does God have parts that need to be ordered and organized Let's play a game dear : name 5 parts God has . GO ! 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by Nobody: 11:14pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
felixomor:I read the content of the link. It doesn't apply to any of the contradictions he listed. . . |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by felixomor: 11:18pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
AnonyNymous: It provides the key that unlocks all "contradictions" .. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by Nobody: 11:20pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
felixomor:Nope. Not at all. I understood the once you were talking about in your post. But the contradictions he listed out for you do not in any way apply to what you 'explained'. But well, arrogance is a common trait of Christians. I can see you're already convinced that you 'proven everything wrong' so there's no need to continue with you. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by felixomor: 11:23pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
AnonyNymous: U r here to argue obstructively. Not to bring anything forth. Or else, you would have given me the dictionary meaning of "contradiction" and buttressed your point. But Alas, We have seen this before. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by Kay17: 11:32pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Loool! An uncontroversial example would be appreciated. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by Kay17: 11:33pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: A Test is scrutiny. So be more particular 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by Kay17: 11:36pm On Apr 08, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Would you agree with me that energy time space and gravity for being without parts are uncreated? |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:57am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Kay17: All matter , energy , space , time were created in the Big Bang . I think I understand what you are hinting at and its called Platonism whereby entities like abstract objects - numbers , properties , sets - are necessarily existing and are uncreated as God and thus independent of God's existence . Right ? But I clearly stated in the first point I made that since God is supreme and omnipotent he transcends all having the power the terminate even necessarily existing entities . Some philosophers also asserted that these necessarily existing causally impotent abstract objects depend on God's will and intellect for their existence i.e assuming God had willed 3+3 to be 8 then it would have been so . |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by wirinet(m): 1:09am On Apr 09, 2017 |
A cornucopia of scientific evidences show that the universe has a beginning , anything outside this is a belief . Many atheists strongly believe that science could be wrong about our universe having a beginning . Prior to the discovery of so many remarkable evidences supporting a finite universe , ancient atheists were intransigent of their view of an eternal universe . They believed that a finite universe would be an irrefragable evidence that a creator does exist but an eternal universe would strongly suggest that no creator exist . But how true is this view ? Let's look at the three popular concepts of creation :The bolded is not exactly correct. Your conclusions are based on wrong premises. There are no scientific evidence that the universe has a beginning? There are evidences that the material universe has beginning, but the universe is composed of much more than matter, in fact the material universe you are familiar with comprises less less than 5% of the known universe. Yes, the universe has always been, the universe is and the universe will always be. Remember the law of conservation of energy -energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed into other forms. Matter is a form of energy, motion is a form of energy, even space is a form of energy. In the beginning, there was only raw energy, the big bang transformed some of this raw energy into matter, motion and space. The universe is far bigger than your Jewish old man or his only begotten son, who goes around fighting for the Jews or exhibit all the petty negative emotions seen in humans. 5 Likes |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by wirinet(m): 1:13am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: No science textbook will tell you that energy was created at the big bang. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:46am On Apr 09, 2017 |
wirinet: Keep Deceiving yourself www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:50am On Apr 09, 2017 |
wirinet: KingEbukasBlog: |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by excadz(m): 3:20am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Life is a single conscious entity. Physically diverse and abstractly purposed to survive and thrive at all costs. Ask yourselves, "why do Birds like seeds when their bodies cannot digest seeds?" Think of all the possible reasons outside of a god ordaining it. |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by IgboLoyalist: 3:56am On Apr 09, 2017 |
@OP Don't you think it's exceptionally odd, that God revealed himself thousands upon thousands of years ago to men roaming in desserts, and seemingly perished from existence after that? Ex: Mohammad was in a cave when he saw the putative "Angel" Gabriel who was used as an intermediary messenger for God. It's been awhile since I have read the bible, but Moses supposedly observed God's back from afar in the dessert. Now, the question is, could all of these men, in desserts, thousands of years ago have seen God or communicated with Angels? If your answer yes, you're displaying your extreme naïvety. I concur a different hypothesis, maybe they were hallucinating, or were suffering horrendously from schizophrenia. Secondly, I think you're thoroughly misunderstanding science and its purposefulness. It's not some tool exclusively used to make up explanations of the whys or whats of the world like religion or "faith". It's a methodology utilized to propound an idea and keenly test out that said idea. For example, when it rains. It's not because "God" is in a tempestuous mood, like religion has you believe. It's because water has evaporated and condensed into clouds, these cloudy formations after embarking on maximum capacity, simply cannot hold anymore water, thus releasing it back onto Earth. You can test this theory by forming clouds at a laboratory. Ancient Greece grew out of Greek mythology, Iran |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:07am On Apr 09, 2017 |
wirinet: All matter and energy came into being at the initial cosmological singularity. Physicists and Cosmologists Barrow and Tipler made this observation after their research : "At this singularity, space and time came into existence; literally nothing existed before the singularity, so, if the Universe originated at such a singularity, we would truly have a creation ex nihilo. Even models created by Physicists Hartle and Hawking did not rule out God's existence , it just tried to eliminate the need for God during creation by making the universe seem self contained by introducing imaginary numbers in Einsteins gravitational equation thus making the universe have no boundary or edge . Hawking admitted he was wrong in the article I gave you . Hawking also stated clearly in that article that the universe material or in any supposed form has not existed forever and the laws of physics bespeak of a finite universe though these laws do not make it clear how the universe began . You know what , I wonder why you atheists blatantly ignore science whenever it clearly contravenes your wishful thoughts of an eternal universe . I told you that in that in that write up that an eternal universe does not automatically eliminate the existence of God instead this eternal universe still depends on the existence of God though its eternal nature supposes necessarily existence . And I used abstract objects which are uncreated in an explanation I posted to Kay17 to how being an uncreated entity does not contest with God's supremacy . |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:13am On Apr 09, 2017 |
IgboLoyalist: You keep repeating the same old rebutted arguments . You guys just don't learn . Let's start this way : Did God reveal Himself to the deists ? Maybe this article will help : https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by IgboLoyalist: 8:19am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: We'll keep repeating these points until they're diligently instilled in the average theist's mind. There's as much evidence for mermaids as there is for God. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:21am On Apr 09, 2017 |
IgboLoyalist: You didn't answer my question . Please no circumlocution . Did God reveal Himself to the deists ? Yes or No 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by IgboLoyalist: 8:36am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: No. The mere thought that God exists but remains apart from the universe is nothing more than a postulation. Postulations similar to that are incoherent if you perceive it from a certain angle. I will give an example. I repeated earlier that there's as much evidence for mermaids as there is for God, thus it makes perfect sense to substitute mermaids in my example. The reason why mermaids have yet to reveal themselves to the world is because they remain apart from the veridical world. The sensibility of an existential God, wandering in another spectrum of the universe, not batting an eye at Earth seems like reformative stance theists have taken to still cling on to their religious upbringings in the 21st century. It's eerily similar to agnosticism actually. 2 Likes |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by wirinet(m): 8:49am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You seem obsessed with this lecture of Stephen hawkings. You are using it to reach a conclusions that your Jewish God created the universe, a conclusion even Hawkings did not reach. I am certain you did not read or understand the whole lecture, Hawkings was simply giving two different hypothesis of the beginning of the universe, one that is in need of an external agent and one that does not. You are simply fixated with the model that requires an external agent and ignore the one that does not. Hawkings never said there was nothing before the big bang or the big bang started from nothing, this is what he said; So i wonder where you got the erroneous idea that scientists say there was nothing before the big bang. If you particle physics, the basic constituents of matter are atoms, which are composed of protons, neurons and electrons ( with their anti particle counterparts ), and protons, neutrons and protons are made of quarks, all these were created at the big bang. Hydrogen and a bit of helium was created immediately after the big bang, all other elements were created inside stars way after the big bang. I am wasting my time explaining these principle not because i hope to convince (or even educate you), as you are already set in your misconceptions, but to educate the young inquisitive scientific minds. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by felixomor: 8:51am On Apr 09, 2017 |
wirinet: Hian 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:56am On Apr 09, 2017 |
wirinet: And He also said : The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down. Nevertheless, the way the universe began would have been determined by the laws of physics, if the universe satisfied the no boundary condition. This says that in the imaginary time direction, space-time is finite in extent, but doesn't have any boundary or edge. The predictions of the no boundary proposal seem to agree with observation. The no boundary hypothesis also predicts that the universe will eventually collapse again. However, the contracting phase, will not have the opposite arrow of time, to the expanding phase. So we will keep on getting older, and we won't return to our youth. Because time is not going to go backwards, I think I better stop now. Hawking kept reiterating through out the lecture that every idea towards an eternal universe in whatever form is wrong . And again , an eternal universe =! God does not exist . Its very clear you don't understand the two cases being made here : 1. Tons of scientific evidences prove the universe is finite 2. An eternal universe does not preclude the existence of God Simple ! You can continue back and forward stunts over these simple cases being presented here . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:00am On Apr 09, 2017 |
IgboLoyalist: So how were the deists able to deduce that a transcendent being /creator of the universe exist ? And why were they so convinced about the verity of their observations ? 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by IgboLoyalist: 9:13am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: It's a postulation that a omniscient transcendental being exists but wants to remain apart from his creations, due to his own volition or he just too occupied too care, whatever the reason may be. The thing about postulations, is that you can utilize it as a straw-man argument, but it makes little to no sense if you look at it from a particular angle. "I have never seen a unicorn or a leprechaun, so I am going to assume it's because they do not want to reveal themselves." That's akin to the argument you're trying to establish. We look at such stories from a scientific perspective. Does God exist. Maybe, but it's 0.00000000001% likely. It's not provable, because it's an abstract creation inside the head. Like unicorns or ghosts, they probably 0.000000000001% exist who knows. 3 Likes |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by felixomor: 9:16am On Apr 09, 2017 |
IgboLoyalist: So Deists base their belief on a mere postulation, Right? |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:17am On Apr 09, 2017 |
felixomor: Leave uncle wirinet and his beliefs in an eternal universe . When you ask for evidence for an eternal universe he'll you energy cannot be created nor destroyed , oblivious of the breaking down of the Law of Conservation of energy at the Big Bang . Its clearly obvious who has misconceptions. 1 Like |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by felixomor: 9:20am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: LoL, The guy is funny. |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by wirinet(m): 9:20am On Apr 09, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:False! Energy did not come into being at any cosmological singularity, the very definition of singularity means infinite energy of no volume (space). Of course matter, space and it's consequence time ( time is a consequence of space (distance) and motion (speed), without distance and speed, there cannot be time) came into being from the singularity at the big bang. Please give me a link where Barrow and Tipler said nothing (energy) existed before the big bang or the singularity popped into existence from nothing.
Hawkings was just being a professional scientist - presenting both sides of the argument. Hawkings is not a theist.
The strike through is your own conjecture and interpretation It is you theists that tries to extrapolate your own dogma and beliefs into science. Science has told us that over 65% of the universe consist of a dark unknown energy, that another about 20% consist of dark matter that does not seem to interact with light and that only 5% consist of all matter we know. You guys view the whole universe as this 5% of known matter. An eternal universe with an eternal God would be the subject of a different argument. 2 Likes |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:20am On Apr 09, 2017 |
IgboLoyalist: You are not answering my questions . What are you trying to circumvent ? How were the deists able to arrive at the conclusion that God exists without God revealing Himself to them? The deists also reject religious conceptions of God - another fun fact about them . |
Re: SIX Extremely Ridiculous Beliefs Atheists Have And Their Simple Rebuttals by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:24am On Apr 09, 2017 |
felixomor: Maybe IgboLoyalist believes the deists woke up one morning and just asserted that God exists . 1 Like 1 Share |
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