Mynd44:
This is not the worst time for Igbos, it is actually the best time for Igbo piliticians but it takes some dynamic thinking to realize this. Say what you want about Tinubu but he understood this early and he played the game well, "you cannot go and play in the big leagues if you do not have big players who turn up and show up".

What does that mean? Look at the present crop of Political leaders in the SW and immediate environs (from the 6 states to Kogi and Edo) and you can actually pick enough people called "Tinubu boys" who have political clout and weight. These are peoole who have been tested and have the strenght and dynamism. Even those who are deemed estranged like Fayemi and Fasola. And guess what, they also show up meaning they hold down their own house and can turn up political numbers anyday. Do a number of Tinubu Boys in Lagos alone and be shocked, from Hamzat to Leke Pitan. Not trying to praise Tinubu but this type of alliance is needed. I have not seen one single politician in the SE that commands such respect accross the board in the SE. How can you position yourself for National politics if you have not conqured regional politics?

How can you hold your own when you can't show up to a party meeting with atleast 15 boys who are willing to work for you from all the states? Almost every SE politician is just popular in each of his/her state. This is the problem governors who perform like Obaino and talkers (even though he does too much) like Peter Obi has. They need people to fight for them and hold down other states for them.

You call it godfatherism, I say it is alliances. Imagine if Okorocha can boast of having a huge support base from not just Imo but also Ebonyi, Abia, Rivers and Enugu. That is 5 states. He is already in a good position for any political negotiation and he is more likely to get what he asks for if he wants to form an alliance with anyone.

Saraki did not become this influential by locking himself in Kwara did he? No, he played his politics in his region. Same as El Rufai. You guys have no idea the politics that happened on the morning of the primaries between Fashola, El Rufai and Tinubu. That could have cost President Buhari the ticket if not for alliances.

This is also the problem Akpabio has, his support basically stops in Akwa Ibom (which the governor is doing his best to uproot) outside the state, none. Atleast Amaechi even though he is as dramatic as a woman(no disrespect to women) but he is bringing his boys out and giving them posts who will in turn spread his own political clout. This is not national politics, this is regional oooo.

People wonder why the Tinubu group can be so confident about Lagos? Cos they have done the work of 100 years. They have almost every traditional leader, every market leader, every motor park, and almost every structure on the informal side and the formal side, they allow the social media boys do the dirt fight. If you dont know, you cant beat the Tinubu boys on twitter and Facebook. They are too crazy to fight.

This is time for SE politicians to forge intra-regional alliances. Have one or two politicians in the SE and parts of the SS who can boast of atleast 30% of voters in each state in terms of senators, HoRs, state assemblies etc and then launch for the National scale.

Oh, this victim thingy and expecting things to fall into your arms has to stop. Pick yourself up and stop claiming marginalization; everybody in Nigeria has been marginalized but not everyone choose to wear it on their sleeves. Stop attacking other tribes because you feel they have it better or they made better calculations, if you lose, take that L with your chest, go home and work on it, come back to another fight smoking and looking new (political fights are not every 4 years, they are every re-run election, every party ward primary, every local government poll) put your players in position that will help spread your influence so when they call your name in one place, the response is heard from 7 places. That is political influence.

And politicians have to stop looking like tribal bigots (even if you are, you are a politician, polish yourself). See how commissioners in Lagos, went to be senators, ministers and governors. Dont restrict your planning to one tribe. Ambode did a lot of the financing of Edo politics on Tinubu's behalf now, they have a governor they can plan with. Governors in the SE have to capture grounds outside their state, make none indigenes commissioners and advisers and send them to be senators and what have you in their states.

Remarkable comment. Every words in this comment is a punch line and there is no better way one can put it on table, explaining to SE people politics is about strategy not emotion.

You lose some fights doesn't mean total failure. Just like the case of Chelsea (New defending champion) who lost to Manchester United few weeks back but the story became different yesterday.

SE needs to re strategies instead of pointing fingers at people who fail to buy the ticket of someone whose ideology is seriously flawed.

Brilliant write -up. Permission to always reference this when the time comes boss putting you in copy.

SuperS1Panther:


Which Nigerian people? Just speak for your Ijaws and probably the hate-filled Igbo people.

Those are the people that will vote for that "monstrously corrupt" party called PDP again. That party mortgaged our future, our children's own and that of our children's children. You were not in power for 2years and the party is practically in disarray. Says so much about the objectives of the party for the true Nigerian people.

PDP? who is talking PDP? PDP is there and will remain there but a better alternative has already emerged while PDP is left to whoever that see hope in it...

Yes, WE HAVE ALREADY DEFEATED THE PDP DID "THIS AND THAT" PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE YOU GUYS PLAN TO USE...

We have beaten you in your game thanks to strategic thinkers.

Secondly, we are not just a party but a movement that will SWEEP the entire Nigeria space, including the SW, SE NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, NORTHCENTRAL AND South South.

We are giving Nigerians real deal and in coming days you shall see manifestation.

Although you are welcome but even if you choose not to, no problem! We'll be glad to respond in 2017,/2018 and 2019 elections.


BTW You people aren't in opposition anymore, Nigerians will be pleased to know what you did with the mandate given you in 2015 I'm so sure. I'm also sure that blaming the PDP (which will be like AD) will sell to only those in the grave.

Afam4eva:

You made a good submission but it just seems you don't understand the idiosyncrasies of the south east as compared to the north and the south west. You can never have that one person that yields a lot of influence in the SE. The only person that comes that close was Ojukwu and even when he contested, he struggled win tin the SE. The south east is egalitarian by nature so the magic that Tinubu performed in the SW cannot be replicated in SE or atleast will be very difficult to do. Orji Uzor Kalu tried it and he failed and that's why you see him shouting everywhere that Igbos are not united. Even Rochas tried it and he failed mainly because they felt he was leading people to the wrong party.

The God fatherism thingy won't work in the SE and that's the honest truth. We don't believe in a centralized leadership. The only thing that could work is key and notable politicians coming together to form an alliance. That;s what APGA was supposed to achieve but...

There is a reason these so called godfatherism wont work and it is because of not wanting to grant concessions. How many none indigenes are commissioners in the SE? Is it even possible for an Abian to be a commissioner in Anambra or Owerri, he/she proves himself then goes back to Abia to contest for a senatorial seat?

TonyeBarcanista:
This is one of the most myopic and senseless thread in 2017.

You are shamelessly embarrassing the Igbo nation by this show of defeatist mentality. Saying that Igbo need to line up with the Hausa/Fulani and Yoruba groups to be dominant in political is simply accusing Igbo of having no balls to show their relevance.

Truth of the matter is that the South south will always be the desired bride of Nigeria. The South south will always be the region every government wouldn't want to subdue and every region want as ally. I'm sure you know the reason behind this. In case you don't, it has to do with the productivity of the region and the mental strength of her people. This is simply our negotiating power for NOW. Any government or region that want to "crush it" will be responded to with great resistance which will affect the entire government in terms of revenue and our economy. THIS IS A FACT!

The above is one reason the Buhari government is forced to ensure the take off of key projects in the region like the Maritime University in Warri and even tripled allocation to ex agitators. It is why South south people are not talked down by the government recklessly despite that we also gave Buhari the "prestigious 5%" votes.

Sorry bro, WE CAN'T BE SUBDUED beyond what the structure of Nigeria is at present. But the good news is some of us are fighting hard to ensure that a new generation of leaders that will protect the interests of everyone emerges and will enthrone sanity while discouraging defeatist mentality on any group.

As for APCists, come 2019 we shall show them the resolve of the Nigeria people.

And who are the some of us? I hope you don't mean you and your elk of political prostitutes? The likes of you who will sell their soul given the slightest sign of Naira?

Shouting about how important the south south is today's politics show you're a tribal bigot and you've been lobotomise greatly by your false sense of superiority.

Every region, that is every region/geo-political zone is highly important. Whether you choose to see it or not, every state/region contribute it's own quota to the growth and development of Nigeria.

People like you who haven't left the comfort of their homes are the ones undermining the strength and beauty of other region.

koropotopoto:
you taught me that bro

Be civil or i report you to the mods.

Cc: mynd44

Afam4eva:
You know, this is actually one of the worst times to be an Igbo man as far as being part of the Nigerian entity is concerned. We know that since the end of the civil war the hate for the Igbo man has been engraved in the minds of the average Nigerian, from the west to the North and even to the South-south. Though the Igbos did a pretty good job despite the adversities by pulling themselves out of the rubble and from 1999, we started to some level of prosperity politically, even though i feel it wasn't enough considering the fact that we're part of the tripod upon which this nation was built. Atleast it was a good start.

Why is this the worse time to be Igbo in Nigeria? Because you lost out politically? At the same time could we say the last administration was the best time to be Igbo in the Nigerian entity? You are talking as all Igbos are politicians, as if Igbo traders, professionals, transporters and businessmen do not exist.

It is very annoying for an Igbo man to leave his village, thrive in Lagos, Abuja or Kano and still scream " the hate for the Igbo man has been engraved in the minds of the average Nigerian ". That is an insult to the average nigerian. You allege that Nigerians hate the igbos, but you guys are all over Nigerian working or doing business.

The bolded statement is the main reason South South tribes and other minorities of Nigeria get annoyed at the Igbo's and the other two majority tribes/ ethnic groups. You people feel you own Nigeria and the minorities are irrelevant. Nigeria was never built on the tripod of Igbos, Yoruba's and Hausa/Fulani's, The British amalgamated Northern and Southern Nigeria, later Nigeria was divided into three regions - Northern, southern and Eastern Nigeria, before a fourth, Midwestern Nigeria was added in 1963. There was never a time nigeria was divided among the Igbo's, Hausa's and Yoruba's, in fact the minorities had been fighting for their rights and recognition right from colonial days.

I will respond to your other preposterous submissions later.

Mynd44:

There is a reason these so called godfatherism wont work and it is because of not wanting to grant concessions. How many none indigenes are commissioners in the SE? Is it even possible for an Abian to be a commissioner in Anambra or Owerri, he/she proves himself then goes back to Abia to contest for a senatorial seat?

You can't compare any state to Lagos. I understand that you referring to Rauf Aregbesola going from being commissioner of works in Lagos to Governor of Osun state. This is actually a rarity and there aren't so many people like Aregbesola and it can almost only happen in Lagos because of the cosmopolitan nature of the state.

It also seems you still don't understand the behavioral patterns of the Igbo. It's a culture over there for one person not to dictate to another except the person's livelihood directly depends on that person. In Enugu for example, we have a quasi god father in the person of Jim Nwobodo who after contributing in making Chimaroake Nnamani Governor, was sidelined and rendered almost useless by the same man he helped. The same Chimaroake made it possible for Sullivan Chime and was also sidelined. No Sullivan Chime mad eit possible for the current governor, Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi and has since left PDP for APC. These things just don't work in the SE. Even as respected as Ojukwu was, there were people in the region who worked against his interest.

Afam4eva:

You made a good submission but it just seems you don't understand the idiosyncrasies of the south east as compared to the north and the south west. You can never have that one person that yields a lot of influence in the SE. The only person that comes that close was Ojukwu and even when he contested, he struggled win tin the SE. The south east is egalitarian by nature so the magic that Tinubu performed in the SW cannot be replicated in SE or atleast will be very difficult to do. Orji Uzor Kalu tried it and he failed and that's why you see him shouting everywhere that Igbos are not united. Even Rochas tried it and he failed mainly because they felt he was leading people to the wrong party.

The God fatherism thingy won't work in the SE and that's the honest truth. We don't believe in a centralized leadership. The only thing that could work is key and notable politicians coming together to form an alliance. That;s what APGA was supposed to achieve but...

The SE is not more egalitarian than the SW.Do not confuse egalitarianism for disorderliness and unruliness. Is Tinubu from a royal family ? Why was Obasanjo not so influential even with the Federal might.?Tinubu Worked to get his popularity which by the way,does not cover the entire SW as we have seen in Ondo and Ekiti .If you have a leader that works for the people and delivers he will be popular. Tinubu is not the leader of the Yoruba people
I cannot think of any such Eboe politician so stop deluding yourself with this egalitarian myth. Even in the north emirs and politicians are stoned.You hang on to silly prejudices and generalisations about other people that have reality only in your minds
Most Nigerian politicians are thieves but they still bring back dividends to their region. When we consider the influence Eboes had under GEJ There is no reason why Niger Bridge 2 was not Started. I am sure any Eboe politician would be loved if he delivered that,a functional seaport and airport in the Seychelles region. That could have happened under PDP in their 16 year reign considering the huge oil revenues

Sealeddeal:
Your point is sound.
But what is necessary to understood is that PDP has failed to take up the force of opposition and also, there are events you need to consider before you understand the current happenings in Nigeria politics with regards to Igbo common man because there is difference between Igbo common man and Igbo politicians.
When Buhari lost 2011 election, his supporters went on rampage killing people they deemed responsible but GEJ wasted no time but instead brought the northern people into the fold including those that gave him less than 5percent votes. That's what Nigeria presidency demands.
But after GEJ lost 2015 election, the SW APC led touts began the mind game of telling Igbos that they put their eggs in one basket in a quite a manner of conqueror and vanquished thing. APC was supposed to provide National leadership but it turned out to be politics of those that won and those that lost which led to Buhari's appointments and his 5%/97% thing and arrest of Kanu and killing of Biafrans.You don't push anyone and tell the person where to fall.
Politics should not be about winning election but mostly about provision of leadership.
But I must say the Igbo politicians are building bridges. But we the masses don't care about building any bridges. In 2019, we will crush APC in East and bury it.

You have a point though especially on the 5% statement made which I am against but if you are playing politics of crushing to justify victory will only delay your chances to embrace full power grip.

Sentiments and emotional weakness in politics make you take rash decision that will hunt you back again.

Strategic decision in politics is important so you can be a heavyweight but if this is what you guys have resulted to, am afraid you are not ready to be a political force which people will reckon with.

Afam4eva:

You made a good submission but it just seems you don't understand the idiosyncrasies of the south east as compared to the north and the south west. You can never have that one person that yields a lot of influence in the SE. The only person that comes that close was Ojukwu and even when he contested, he struggled win tin the SE. The south east is egalitarian by nature so the magic that Tinubu performed in the SW cannot be replicated in SE or atleast will be very difficult to do. Orji Uzor Kalu tried it and he failed and that's why you see him shouting everywhere that Igbos are not united. Even Rochas tried it and he failed mainly because they felt he was leading people to the wrong party.

The God fatherism thingy won't work in the SE and that's the honest truth. We don't believe in a centralized leadership. The only thing that could work is key and notable politicians coming together to form an alliance. That;s what APGA was supposed to achieve but...

Afam,
The Primary currency of politics is Influence and not Money.

You can be a money bag and you will lose an election woefully, whereas you can be as poor as church rat (that was in the 60's) and you can resoundingly win an election.

Having influence comes with alliances, bridge building, concessions here and there and holding on to your words -- reliability and dependability.

Those are the things that counts in politics and not money in terms of God Fatherism per se. Money is only needed for oiling the wheel of election but the main wheel of politics is the influence.

Adedibu was not rich but had more influence than the richest Ibadan man - Harry Akande.

aribisala0:

APC HAVE A ZONING ARRANGEMENT OR YOU WISH THEY HAVE. ? Nigerians will NEVER ZONE PRESIDENCY TO EBOES? Forget that fantasy. Any Eboe that becomes president will have to work for it and earn the Confidence and trust of Nigerians

Another good reason why Igbos don't need alliances because it is useless to us. Osinbajo and yorubas should just carry their burden by themselves. Thank God for the death of PDP. It will help APGA consolidate in the southeast in 2019. That is the only thing i am grateful to APC for.

There is no tribe in Nigeria that hates the Igbos more than the South South. It was the only place an Igbo man failed to recover his property after the civil war.
In all the elections in Nigeria before this Jonathan' s election, they had voted in line with the North. We lost the civil war due to there sabotage.
Our problem is the Igbo youths. They don't read history.
A man from the North to me is far better than man from the south south. At least I can trust him especially in business.
In meetings everywhere during Jonathan I keep warning our people that the association with him will not earn us any thing. But they refused to hear.
Simply, we play bad politics.

Afam4eva:
You know, this is actually one of the worst times to be an Igbo man as far as being part of the Nigerian entity is concerned. We know that since the end of the civil war the hate for the Igbo man has been engraved in the minds of the average Nigerian, from the west to the North and even to the South-south. Though the Igbos did a pretty good job despite the adversities by pulling themselves out of the rubble and from 1999, we started to enjoy some level of prosperity politically, even though i feel it wasn't enough considering the fact that we're part of the tripod upon which this nation was built. Atleast it was a good start.

However, a little more than a decade later, the Igbo nation is looking more like a conquered territory. Some people blame it on wrong political calculations and alliances while others blame it on the hate that the Nigerian state has had against people of Igbo extraction. I would blame it on the unwillingness of Igbos to play politics the Nigerian way.

It has come a time that we need to forego the emotions of the civil war and solidarity with any group and play politics the way the Northerners play or atleast, go the route of the Yorubas. These people have mastered the idiosyncrasies that is Nigeria and have seized the moment to put themselves at a stage that will benefit them. It seems the Igbos are the only majority group that have failed and looking like a minority group by the day. Instead of deceiving ourselves by concocting spiritual alliances with a region known as the south-south or Niger Delta or whatever they want to call themselves these days, our alliances should face westwards and to the north. The people from the south-south are the most ungrateful humans ever to walk this part of the world. How can one explain that a group as big as the Igbo race put all their eggs in one basket for a man known as Goodluck Jonathan who wasn't even an Igbo man and as soon as he lost, his people started throwing abuses at us.

The first mistake you don't make in politics is to bring yourself down to align with minorities except it's for your own interest. It's high time we stopped being emotional and moved with the tide and align with satan if need be because contrary to what a lot of Igbos may think, we're no saints and nobody is looking for a saint in Nigeria. As long as you're crooked but appear friendly, people will respect you.

I'm from the SS and I don't hate the SE. In fact I attack my SS people for being myopic with their closeness with the SE.

Also, it's unfortunate that you still see the support for GEJ as an error. You are analytical, so I'll leave that for you. So because some persons feel that they are close to the presidency, they are now the most fortunate people in Nigeria? Apart from bragging rights, how has the presidency benefited the SW and North. Buhari's government is not working. We all know it. We've given the excuse of corruption to protect them. Ask any unbiased person, you'll know.

Also, if you think because some persons are in power today, it will remain so forever, then you are not wise.

You should also know that the president of a country is beyond the votes of the citizens. The choice is an illusion. It's made for you and you think you made it. You should know that...

Nigeria is already divided into North/ South so looking west is not even the best, going by your thought.

But if you feel breaking your SS support because GEJ lost an election, good. You'll regret it.

My advice, be patient. This dispensation is very short. In fact it's over already. It was orchestrated to remove GEJ.. Nothing more. Be wise.

Afam4eva:

You can't compare any state to Lagos. I understand that you referring to Rauf Aregbesola going from being commissioner of works in Lagos to Governor of Osun state. This is actually a rarity and there aren't so many people like Aregbesola and it can almost only happen in Lagos because of the cosmopolitan nature of the state.

It also seems you still don't understand the behavioral patterns of the Igbo. It's a culture over there for one person not to dictate to another except the person's livelihood directly depends on that person. In Enugu for example, we have a quasi god father in the person of Jim Nwobodo who after contributing in making Chimaroake Nnamani Governor, was sidelined and rendered almost useless by the same man he helped. The same Chimaroake made it possible for Sullivan Chime and was also sidelined. No Sullivan Chime mad eit possible for the current governor, Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi and has since left PDP for APC. These things just don't work in the SE. Even as respected as Ojukwu was, there were people in the region who worked against his interest.

This is not an Igbo thing please, igbos are some of the nost loyal people ij the world, just the politicians are selfish and disloyalty run within the political class.

An Igbo man can leave his village, not go home for a decade, make it and then go back home to pick one of his "brothers" (who might not be related to him) train him and that same boy that was trained will be so close to his brother that you wont know they are not related. Ya'll walk around saying my brother my brother, have little "village meeting" outside the SE to help one another. That can be translated in politics.

This is not an Igbo thing but the politicians are just crazy silly

nonsobaba:
Another good reason why Igbos don't need alliances because it is useless to us. Osinbajo and yorubas should just carry their burden by themselves. Thank God for the death of PDP. It will help APGA consolidate in the southeast in 2019. That is the only thing i am grateful to APC for.

There is no burden. You are small minded and petty .What is important to us is not who is what but what goes where. Quite a lot is coming to Lagos and the SW.in 20 years time Ogun State will be more important than Lagos, there will be another seaport in Ondo and so on.That is what we really care about not Osinbajo but regional economic integration to produce a dominant economic region centred on Lagos
That is how to prepare for secession not opening rogue radio stations

Who presidency epp?

GEJ whom you supported built rail lines to the north, what did you get

Before Jonathan, tell me where the south south had ever supported an Igbo man gunning for presidency? Typical example was during NPP and NPN(Azikiwe and Shagari).

TonyeBarcanista:

PDP? who is talking PDP? PDP is there and will remain there but a better alternative has already emerged while PDP is left to whoever that see hope in it...

Yes, WE HAVE ALREADY DEFEATED THE PDP DID "THIS AND THAT" PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE YOU GUYS PLAN TO USE...

We have beaten you in your game thanks to strategic thinkers.

Secondly, we are not just a party but a movement that will SWEEP the entire Nigeria space, including the SW, SE NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, NORTHCENTRAL AND South South.

We are giving Nigerians real deal and in coming days you shall see manifestation.

Although you are welcome but even if you choose not to, no problem! We'll be glad to respond in 2017,/2018 and 2019 elections.


BTW You people aren't in opposition anymore, Nigerians will be pleased to know what you did with the mandate given you in 2015 I'm so sure. I'm also sure that blaming the PDP (which will be like AD) will sell to only those in the grave.

This was how you were super confident in the run-in for 2015 election and we were pointing out the obvious to you.

Patriotic Nigerians are waiting to see the Movement in action.

Just pray that Buhari and PYO does not contest in 2019 again. If they do, forget it, they will win again and this time around the difference will be more than 2.5m votes.

I am not a member of APC and I do not give a hoot about them.

tinsel:
There is no tribe in Nigeria that hates the Igbos more than the South South. It was the only place an Igbo man failed to recover his property after the civil war.
In all the elections in Nigeria before this Jonathan' s election, they had voted in line with the North. We lost the civil war due to there sabotage.
Our problem is the Igbo youths. They don't read history.
A man from the North to me is far better than man from the south south. At least I can trust him especially in business.
In meetings everywhere during Jonathan I keep warning our people that the association with him will not earn us any thing. But they refused to hear.
Simply, we play bad politics.

Can you stop with the these people hate Igbos thing? It is all in your head. This is Nigeria; everyone hates everyone

ndcide:


I'm from the SS and I don't hate the SE. In fact I attack my SS people for being myopic with their closeness with the SE.

Also, it's unfortunate that you still see the support for GEJ as an error. You are analytical, so I'll leave that for you. So because some persons feel that they are close to the presidency, they are now the most fortunate people in Nigeria? Apart from bragging rights, how has the presidency benefited the SW and North. Buhari's government is not working. We all know it. We've given the excuse of corruption to protect them. Ask any unbiased person, you'll know.

Also, if you think because some persons are in power today, it will remain so forever, then you are not wise.

You should also know that the president of a country is beyond the votes of the citizens. The choice is an illusion. It's made for you and you think you made it. You should know that...

Nigeria is already divided into North/ South so looking west is not even the best, going by your thought.

But if you feel breaking your SS support because GEJ lost an election, good. You'll regret it.

My advice, be patient. This dispensation is very short. In fact it's over already. It was orchestrated to remove GEJ.. Nothing more. Be wise.

What you said is nothing but the truth....

SuperS1Panther:

This was how you were super confident in the run-in for 2015 election and we were pointing out the obvious to you.

Patriotic Nigerians are waiting to see the Movement in action.

Just pray that Buhari and PYO does not contest in 2019 again. If they do, forget it, they will win again and this time around the difference will be more than 2.5m votes.

I am not a member of APC and I do not give a hoot about them.

Haha my prayer is even for PMB/PYO 2019 ticket under APC. You talk and brag about 2015 forgetting that same PDP and same Jonathan defeated PMB in 2011.

Truth is politics is very dynamic in reality. It is widely said that opposition don't win elections, incumbents lose. Incumbents are kicked out when the people does not see hope in them especially after giving them mandate. The people will shift attention towards opposition hoping for a better deal.

That's what played out in 2015 and what will repeat in 2019.I am very sure that God will spare our lives to witness the elections and voting patterns in the northwest and Southwest especially.

BTW 2019 will be an all northern affair, and we shall not only present a candidate with potential to take this country to greater height but we shall also present a platform that Nigerians will relate with. Be prepared to tell the people what YOU HAVE DONE since 2015 because Jonathan will not be on the ballot and we won't have luxury to listen to the usual PDP "did this" sermon under the new platform.


Good morning BTW

Afam4eva:

You can't compare any state to Lagos. I understand that you referring to Rauf Aregbesola going from being commissioner of works in Lagos to Governor of Osun state. This is actually a rarity and there aren't so many people like Aregbesola and it can almost only happen in Lagos because of the cosmopolitan nature of the state.

It also seems you still don't understand the behavioral patterns of the Igbo. It's a culture over there for one person not to dictate to another except the person's livelihood directly depends on that person. In Enugu for example, we have a quasi god father in the person of Jim Nwobodo who after contributing in making Chimaroake Nnamani Governor, was sidelined and rendered almost useless by the same man he helped. The same Chimaroake made it possible for Sullivan Chime and was also sidelined. No Sullivan Chime mad eit possible for the current governor, Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi and has since left PDP for APC. These things just don't work in the SE. Even as respected as Ojukwu was, there were people in the region who worked against his interest.

There is no Nigerian culture for one person to dictate to another. If you do not understand a culture educate yourself. Because people express themselves differently does not mean they are more or less egalitarian. In Eboeland if you don't have money you are nothing so stop trying to paint a false egalitarian myth to those who don't know Eboeland.
Was there no slavery in Eboeland historically? Or the other practices that went with Slavery and indentured labour across West Africa ? Are men with title the equal of those without?

tinsel:
Before Jonathan, tell me where the south south had ever supported an Igbo man gunning for presidency? Typical example was during NPP and NPN(Azikiwe and Shagari).

Did Azikiwe win in SE? Did the SE vote Ojukwu in 2003 and 2007 (voted for Yaradua)? Did SE voted for Uzor Kalu in 2007?

This defeatist mentality sucks. No region owe another ANY OBLIGATION neither do they owe ANYBODY. Even Ijaws/SS owed Jonathan No Obligation to vote him in 2011 and 2015, they only did based on choice, sentiment, conviction etc... just like other Nigerians.

You appeal to be voted and not see it as something owed to you.

@Afam4eva: what the Igbos need now is cultural revolution. We need to go back to our roots and see how we can unite as one formidable force. This revolution should span across Igbos in S'S and S'E. If we can achieve this feat, Nigerian politics will be a walk over. The Igbo identity need to be rekindled, polished and showcased with pride and honor. If the Chinese, Jews, Germans can do it, we can do it.
The identity crises, hounding Ali-Igbo, perpetrated by the Nigerian government is rocking the boat badly; and we hold it to ourselves as a moral task to unite Igboland.... this is far more noble than even the Biafran call for secession.

TonyeBarcanista:
Did Azikiwe win in SE? Did the SE vote Ojukwu in 2003 and 2007 (voted for Yaradua)? Did SE voted for Uzor Kalu in 2007?

This defeatist mentality sucks. No region owe another ANY OBLIGATION neither do they owe ANYBODY. Even Ijaws/SS owed Jonathan No Obligation to vote him in 2011 and 2015, they only did based on choice, sentiment, conviction etc... just like other Nigerians.

You appeal to be voted and not see it as something owed to you.

Azikiwe won all the votes in South East except in the re-election when NPN rigged out Nwobodo of Anambra state and tried to rig out Mbakwe but failed.

Afam4eva:

You made a good submission but it just seems you don't understand the idiosyncrasies of the south east as compared to the north and the south west. You can never have that one person that yields a lot of influence in the SE. The only person that comes that close was Ojukwu and even when he contested, he struggled win tin the SE. The south east is egalitarian by nature so the magic that Tinubu performed in the SW cannot be replicated in SE or atleast will be very difficult to do. Orji Uzor Kalu tried it and he failed and that's why you see him shouting everywhere that Igbos are not united. Even Rochas tried it and he failed mainly because they felt he was leading people to the wrong party.

The God fatherism thingy won't work in the SE and that's the honest truth. We don't believe in a centralized leadership. The only thing that could work is key and notable politicians coming together to form an alliance. That;s what APGA was supposed to achieve but...

you guyz should stop saying you are been hated the only thing Nigerian hate is the Igbo mentality they so ignorant that they find it difficult to unlearn and relearn yet they say Yoruba's are subtle I grew up associating with Igbo's but later got tired when I noticed they have one hardened structured ignorant believe . Correcting an Igbo man political is like filling basket with water. I don't give a damn about their mentality anymore , some people try to separate Lagos achievement from Yoruba but it would only happen in their dilution as far as im concern my state progress is Yoruba progress, the way igbos flocks to Ogun state made think they would want to separate ogunstate from our progress in future while they keep leaving their villages to southwest in search for greener pasture with their dumb mentality

Afam4eva:

It has come a time that we need to forego the emotions of the civil war and solidarity with any group and play politics the way the Northerners play or atleast, go the route of the Yorubas. These people have mastered the idiosyncrasies that is Nigeria and have seized the moment to put themselves at a stage that will benefit them. It seems the Igbos are the only majority group that have failed and looking like a minority group by the day. Instead of deceiving ourselves by concocting spiritual alliances with a region known as the south-south or Niger Delta or whatever they want to call themselves these days, our alliances should face westwards and to the north. The people from the south-south are the most ungrateful humans ever to walk this part of the world. How can one explain that a group as big as the Igbo race put all their eggs in one basket for a man known as Goodluck Jonathan who wasn't even an Igbo man and as soon as he lost, his people started throwing abuses at us.

Igbos have always TRIED their best to play politics the Nigerian way. The sad truth is we are seen as a threat by others no matter what.

The Igbos under Zik formed a large part of the NCNC which formed a coalition government with the dominant northerners under the NPC, what happened? The northerners hatred for Igbos and Dan Fodio's ambition to dip the koran in the sea tore the government apart and the north raised a traitor from the SW called Akintola to help realise that ambition. Akintola was a rabid bigot whose hate speeches against Igbos are on Youtube for all to hear. The north using Akintola set the SW ablaze and declared a state of emergency there. It led to civil war as we all know.

Fast forward to Jonathan and the Igbos choice to "put their eggs in one basket" whatever that means. When the APC was being formed did you see any Igbo person on the Board of Trustees? Despite the mumuish devotion of Ogbonnaya Onu and the mercenary antics of Rochas the only Igbo person for a while was a muslim Igbo lady who was married to a fulani man. Did you see any attempts by the rest of the country to show the Igbos what they stood to gain from aligning with the APC? What did we get if not threats and insults. The northerners were reminding us of 1966 while our yoruba neighbours were telling us that their culture was closer to northerners than to ours. Check NL between 2011-2015 and you will see this trend. We had no choice than to go with Jonathan who if we really check him, presented a breath of fresh air from the usually repulsive South-South politician. Jonathan embraced Igbos, winning their hearts and guess what? Northerners and Yorubas hated him for that with all their hearts.

They way I see it, the north will only use the Igbos to checkmate the Yorubas when the Yoruba ambition needs to be smashed (like this period) but they are natural allies in an unwritten turn by turn alliance. I personally have no more faith in this country. The only politics I am interested in is the one that will grant Igbos a restructured Nigeria or a seperate country.

blues20:
@Afam4eva: what the Igbos need now is cultural revolution. We need to go back to our roots and see how we can unite as one formidable force. This revolution should span across Igbos in S'S and S'E. If we can achieve this feat, Nigerian politics will be a walk over. The Igbo identity need to be rekindled, polished and showcased with pride and honor. If the Chinese, Jews, Germans can do it, we can do it.
The identity crises, hounding Ali-Igbo, perpetrated by the Nigerian government is rocking the boat badly; and we hold it to ourselves as a moral task to unite Igboland.... this is far more noble than even the Biafran call for secession.

Your underlying assumption is that the SS are vision less waiting for the Eboe to come and guide them on what to do.
What is SS
POLITICALY WE HAVE
Former WEST Delta and Edo


Former East Akwa Ibom, Cross River,Rivers and Bayelsa

They are very different spaces and people

aribisala0:

There is no burden. You are small minded and petty .What is important to us is not who is what but what goes where. Quite a lot is coming to Lagos and the SW.in 20 years time Ogun State will be more important than Lagos, there will be another seaport in Ondo and so on.That is what we really care about not Osinbajo but regional economic integration to produce a dominant economic region centred on Lagos
That is how to prepare for secession not opening rogue radio stations

Who presidency epp?

GEJ whom you supported built rail lines to the north, what did you get

This is what I’m saying. Igbos should read this post. We need Cultural Revolution and practical think home policy. The Yorubas have it for them……, we need ours. Regional cum cultural/economic cohesiveness will pave way for political might.

Mynd44:

A lot of people dont really know what political alliances are so theu think it is just months to a major election, you try to forge something forgetting that if the person you are negotiating with senses that you dont have the numbers, they will simply railroad you. The alliances are key to having a strong negotiation point.

People assume that once you lose an election it is done but no, sometimes, you stay and do other things like helping others win other elections if not in the same local government then outside.

Look at Aregbesola, by population, Alimosho Local government is on top in Nigeria and guess the most popular poitician there is the Osun state governor. This is a local government where the election of the state is not decided until you see the result (unless it is Fashola's second term and you are contesting against a weak Ade Dosumu). That is spreading your influence.

There is a huge political war in Ogun state for 2019 right now as YAYI(this guy is the one representing me in the senate) allegedly wants to be governor in 2019. Now while that is not news, the news is that the state governor Amosun is losing grounds within the APC to YAYI and it scares the governor but guess what? YAYI does not actually make noise in Ogun state.

I have a friend who is a ward chairman(Amosun's camp) in Ogun and everytime he tells me that their camp is depelting by the second as serious alliances are being called up alliances drawn up in 2002 and 2011 are being used to beat them and even party members are just showing up to Amosun to but not with him.

That is what alliance does for you. You can forge one and not use it in 7 years but you need to have them

The first rule in an Igbo household is do not form alliances that leads to failure. Nigeriais a massive failure. As an igboman, I will never want to associate my family name with Nigeria.
With the advent of the Internet, no igboman want the bad name associating with Nigeria brings.
We are republican, egalitarian and we believe in dialogue.
Ndigbo are psychological wired to crave for success.

Nigeria only benefits the rulers running it.
Ndigbo believes, you get a good society when everyone is successful and contributing towards it.

aribisala0:

Your underlying assumption is that the SS are vision less waiting for the Eboe to come and guide them on what to do.
What is SS
POLITICALY WE HAVE
Former WEST Delta and Edo


Former East Akwa Ibom, Cross River,Rivers and Bayelsa

They are very different spaces and people

I'll will concur to the fact that you are ignorant of the nebulous ethnic make up of the so called S'South.

aribisala0:

There is no burden. You are small minded and petty .What is important to us is not who is what but what goes where. Quite a lot is coming to Lagos and the SW.in 20 years time Ogun State will be more important than Lagos, there will be another seaport in Ondo and so on.That is what we really care about not Osinbajo but regional economic integration to produce a dominant economic region centred on Lagos
That is how to prepare for secession not opening rogue radio stations

Who presidency epp?

GEJ whom you supported built rail lines to the north, what did you get

Who is talking of secession? Nobody is going anywhere. Nnamdi Kanu is just a businessman. I am just suprised at how good and tenacious he is with his gimmicks dat have fooled other regions for so long. Stop pretending dat yorubas are not eyeing d presidency with buhari's condition. D lust for power in d southwest is widely known. Thankfully, u have formidable foes to contend with.

Afam4eva:



The God fatherism thingy won't work in the SE and that's the honest truth. We don't believe in a centralized leadership. The only thing that could work is key and notable politicians coming together to form an alliance. That;s what APGA was supposed to achieve but...

When faced with facts an intelligent man readily changes his mind.
Was Zik not a GODFATHER in his time. ?
You folk like deceiving yourselves.
How many states did Shagari win in the North in 1979?