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Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:10pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
You're confusing yourself not Christians. Keep adding and subtracting from the bible. orisa37: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:17pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
keep quiet. Read Hebrews 1:8 where God the father refwrs to Jesus as God and cure your ignorance. samuelsontech: 1 Like |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 10:21pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Amberon11:Forget and put aside what God the Father said please because what DeSepiero asked, is, where in the NT, did Jesus Himself and no other, DIRECTLY called Himself God? |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:22pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Best comment ever. smartnero24: 1 Like |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:26pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Pls stop deceiving yourself. Jesus is God and wouldnt bemd words fir a mere mortal. Throughout the bible , Jesus was always bold to speak the truth even in the face of death so why would he lie about being God? Are you calling Jesus a liar? Read Hebrews 1:8 , here God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God. If you don't see Jesus as God then you're not a christian because you're doubting the very words of God. walls01: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:27pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
I already quoted John 10:30 MuttleyLaff: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:32pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
The bolded is unnecessary. adetayo234: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:34pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Since you claim to know so much, tell us why God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God in Hebrews 1:8. walls01: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Amberon11: 10:37pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
You're uttering Mumbo-Jumbos that make no sense whatsoever. Do you know that all things were created by Jesus Christ and for Jesus Christ? Ask yourself why God said "Let us make man in our own image" in the book of Genesis. Why didn't God say, "Let me make man in my own image"? Who were the others ? walls01: |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 10:48pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
Amberon11:Repeating forget and put aside what God the Father said please. This is because what DeSepiero asked, is, where in the NT, did Jesus Himself and no other, DIRECTLY called Himself God? The keywords needed to be seen are God and directly. Anything short of using them two, is not permissable 1 Like |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by nwakaibeya1: 11:02pm On Aug 20, 2017 |
knowing JESUSCHRIST is all about Peace&UNBELIEVABLE power&light #do you sleep peacefully at night without evil oppression&EVIL molestation is our question? behold whoever leads you to JESUS Christ must give you PEACE&empowerment&light that's what JESUS saves and BORNAGAIN or knowing Jesus Christ means&if those are lacking in you then you must seek Jesus Christ truly&be empowered because Jesus Christ owns the power the evil people you fear uses&thats why he said all power have been given to me &I am.the light of the world if you know Jesus Christ the light&power automatically becomes yours same as we are able to share to whoever comes to.us&that's the confidence of mantle authority&our ability to take you to real JesusChrist without suffering you with fasting &night vigil & program upon programmes.test&see that it's very easy to follow JesusChrist . Mathew 13,13-15
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Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by adetayo234: 3:41am On Aug 21, 2017 |
walls01: I'm not under any obligation to answer your question. Whatever meaning or translation you have to my initial response, it is your cup of tea, bro. I can't help or oblige you further. You want better response? Go consult your Bible. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by adetayo234: 3:44am On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: What's this one saying now? So if whoever you call puncture hole, I will not get my daily bread again? Nonsense. You better goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of proving to be a superman over emptiness |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by adelee777: 3:55am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Amberon11: Then read verse 9 and it says ''God, even THY GOD...'' So, whose God is that part referring to? |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by DeSepiero(m): 7:36am On Aug 21, 2017 |
Amberon11: Apostle Paul did so in his epistle to the Hebrews NOT God. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by DeSepiero(m): 7:37am On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Which occasion? |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by parisbookaddict(f): 7:40am On Aug 21, 2017 |
DeSepiero: cc cure your doubts MuttleyLaff walls01 samuelsontech Jesus calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. He forgave sins, something only God does. People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me. We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God) Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33) Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Check also Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. The scripture is also very clear in; 1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist. So in conclusion; God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (john 17:5) Jesus called himself the Son of God. His disciples called him the son of God. Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God. Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God. John the baptist called Jesus the son of God. The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God Even Demons he casted out called him the son of God. i wonder what other proves from the bible the anti-christs of this world need |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by DeSepiero(m): 7:46am On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: John 10:33 doesn't quote Jesus claiming to be God. It quotes the Jews accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 9:14am On Aug 21, 2017 |
DeSepiero:They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God - John 10:33 The occasion, is in John 10:33 above, that is when and where the Jews, said they wanted to kill Jesus, obviously because according to their understanding, He claimed to be God |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 9:36am On Aug 21, 2017 |
DeSepiero:I had already mentioned that there is no NT reference of Jesus claiming to be God, then later added that, the closest will be John 10:33 because there in John 10:33, though we don't hear or read Jesus directly claiming to be God, He was accused of claiming to be God. We never read Jesus denying the Jews' accusation(s) that He claims(ed) to be God. Can bet my bottom dollar you know why too, Jesus never refuted, disputed or deny He claimed to be God. Jesus didn't refute, dispute, deny or argue because He is God |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 9:44am On Aug 21, 2017 |
adetayo234:DeSepiero raised the question, so I was saying I will leave it to him to puncture holes in the alternative answers you put forward to his clearly expressed question 1 Like |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 9:59am On Aug 21, 2017 |
parisbookaddict:I'm wondering, 'is there any verse of the new testament which quotes Jesus directly referring to himself as God?' - DeSepiero © parisbookaddict, have a good look at the above question from DeSepiero again and let's start to be honest with each other, now after you have gone over your response, does your conscience tell you that your response correctly answered DeSepiero's simple and clearly expressed question? The keywords in his question were "DIRECTLY" and "God", anything less or short or not using those words alone, are not allowed DiarisGod ooo. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by charlsecy(m): 11:43am On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:As this involves significant identification of the person of Christ, don't you think we should NOT be dealing with indirect reference? Is Jesus being GOD not that important that it should be relegated to allusion? |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by Nobody: 12:09pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
dapyd1:Point of correction conversion isn't low. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by adetayo234: 2:58pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Abeg goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of behaving as if your life depends on nairaland |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 4:44pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
charlsecy:We never read Jesus denying the Jews' accusation(s) that He claims(ed) to be God. Can bet my bottom dollar, you too know as well as I do, why Jesus never refuted, disputed or denied He claimed to be God. Jesus didn't refute, dispute, deny or argue because He is God |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 4:52pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
adetayo234:Regardless of whatever motives might be behind DeSepiero's simple and straightforward question, courtesy demands that the available honest answer be given that Jesus did not anywhere in the New Testament DIRECTLY say He is God. It isn't that a hard question, that needed labouring over or tweaking an answer for I never for once expected Jesus to DIRECTLY say or claim to be God anyway because His essence, His works, His persona etcetera proves Him to be God 1 Like |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by adetayo234: 6:26pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Dey there they spew meaningless English; don't goan make your life useful for yourself. For your information, I didn't even read the trash you wrote |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 6:56pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
adetayo234:Why am I not surprised you didn't read? If you couldn't read properly enough to respond correctly to DeSepiero's simple and clearly written question, what then made you think the benefit of what I wrote was for you. Please carry go with sorry self inferiority complex. Mtchew. Tufiakwa. Tu ito e danu. |
Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 7:40pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
adetayo234:You can't even manage being original. Carry on and watch your inadequacy become infamous. adetayo234:Put it this way, maybe it's because I have an aversion to any adetayo234s that refuse and/or can't give a honest response to a simple and clearly asked DeSepiero question |
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