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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:16pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


So why did you post the above if you had not first read it? cheesy
This post was supposed to come first. Wetin dey worry you sef?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 9:17pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:
Martinez19 you don run? grin

You said I am confused I say make you show me where the confusion dey na run you come do. cheesy

You would have simply done what the rest are doing. The new dance called view and vanish grin Abi na view and dumb cheesy
who they run? You just can't see your confusion. Now, you gave us conditions and your answer did not fulfill those conditions. What you asked was how man would cope without water and not taking evolution into account. Your answer is amiss. undecided

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:17pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
So in that world the citizens will start to pray for water right?
Or have you forgotten your OP already?

I don't blame you though.
I blame the fools that are always liking your posts.
They are the real tragedy.
Bunch of M0RONS.

Hahahaha you are totally lost. Even after I said follow my hints on the thread here you are still posting absolute rubbish. The mor0n here is you in a colourful way cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:20pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


Hahahaha you are totally lost. Even after I said follow my hints on the thread here you are still posting absolute rubbish. The mor0n here is you in a colourful way cheesy
Please highlight the part where water gets created. Just that part.
Thank you.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:20pm On Sep 11
Martinez19:
who they run? You just can't see your confusion. Now, you gave us conditions and your answer did not fulfill those conditions. What you asked was how man would cope without water and not taking evolution into account. Your answer is amiss. undecided

Sorry but your head is ringing of confusion and arindiism. It shouldn't be so hard following hints. Especially those I dropped for Bennyann. But because one kobo sense you not get, you could not see it even when I kept saying go back to the beginning of all things. Lmao.

You are actually dumber than I thought you were.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:22pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
Please highlight the part where water get created. Just that part.
Thank you.

Ogbeni if you cannot follow the thread and see where I said I asked that question to throw those attempting to answer off and that they should stop looking at it especially everyone was only seeing that. If you cannot follow the thread to that point then stop embarrassing yourself by asking me questions you shouldn't be asking.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:23pm On Sep 11
Well I have done my part and I know that from now all attempts would be made to derail and ridicule the thread especially after they just realised they were the ones who got ridiculed.

Wait for it folks because it's coming in 5, 4 , 3 , 2...
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 9:24pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


Sorry but your head is ringing of confusion and arindiism. It shouldn't be so hard following hints. Especially those I dropped for Bennyann. But because one kobo sense you not get, you could not see it even when I kept saying go back to the beginning of all things. Lmao.

You are actually dumber than I thought you were.
Didn't ask how man would survive without water? And now you are saying go back to the beginning of all thing. What is wrong with you? I will tackle this well tomorrow bit by bit.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:25pm On Sep 11
Martinez19:
Didn't ask how man would survive without water? And now you are saying go back to the beginning of all thing. What is wrong with you? I will tackle this well tomorrow bit by bit.

Follow the thread and quit your mumuism ogbeni.
Why tomorrow? Today don finish?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:26pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:
Let's assume there is no water anywhere on earth. No streams, rivers, lakes, ponds, seas and oceans.

Let's assume rain does not fall and we never experience evaporation and Condensation and plants do not need water to thrive but humans do.

Now let's apply critical thinking.

How would the whole world be able to survive without water? Are we or science capable of manufacturing water on a large scale, the kind that would sustain the entire world?

If water was not already available and by pure "coincidence" as science often alludes is able to always be available even though the process of water creation is extremely complex and volatile yet nature somehow was able to achieve this feat unaided (according to science).

How would man be able to manufacture (create) water for the entire world?

Hint: before you make your comment please read up on water creation first.

May the critical thinkers now show themselves cheesy
You asked here...
How would man be able to manufacture (create) water for the whole world?
Where is the answer to this question in your post?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:28pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
You asked here...
How would man be able to manufacture (create) water for the whole world?
Where is the answer to this question in your post?

You still refuse to follow the thread ba? If you refuse to follow it especially when you knew I was deliberately dropping hints then Abeg waka go far
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by adepeter2027(m): 9:32pm On Sep 11
Well-done op (aka Dr Felix)...

The answer is 101% correct
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 9:32pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


Follow the thread and quit your mumuism ogbeni.
Why tomorrow? Today don finish?
I will set out time tomorrow to go through the thread bit by bit. I will read every single comment and then it will be and you. angry
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:33pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


You still refuse to follow the thread ba? If you refuse to follow it especially when you knew I was deliberately dropping hints then Abeg waka go far
Weyrey.
So you invite atheists to a thread and you expect them to follow your hints (whatever that means) to the conclusion that godidit?
Very interesting.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:34pm On Sep 11
Martinez19:
I will set out time tomorrow to go through the thread bit by bit. I will read every single comment and then it will be and you. angry

I dey wait grin

By the way here is what you and ranchhoddas failed to see on the thread


butterflylion: 12:50pm On Sep 08

How is it that everyone is only seeing what I deliberately put there to throw them off?

My focus is not on production of water but I simply put that there as a distraction grin And everyone is only seeing the distraction.... Na wa o


Think guys think
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 9:34pm On Sep 11
adepeter2027:
Well-done op (aka Dr Felix)...

The answer is 101% correct

Ewwwww.....
You are right undecided
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by dalaman: 9:35pm On Sep 11
OP kept yapping about intelligent and critical thought only to come out spewing creationist drivel at the end. grin. No be small thing.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:36pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
Weyrey.
So you invite atheists to a thread and you expect them to follow your hints (whatever that means) to the conclusion that godidit?
Very interesting.

Where did you see me mention God at any time at the start of this thread? cheesy

I simply wanted an open and unbiased discussion but kept asking everyone to go back to the beginning .

Stop projecting oga weyrey
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:37pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:

I dey wait grin
By the way here is what you and ranchhoddas failed to see on the thread

Gerarahere men. You have nothing.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:38pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


Where did you see me mention God at any time at the start of this thread? cheesy

I simply wanted an open and unbiased discussion but kept asking everyone to go back to the beginning .

Stop projecting oga weyrey
Okay no vex.
In two sentences, what is the answer to the question?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:39pm On Sep 11
Yep here they come right on cue. The hecklers and naysayers for lack of anything to say grin

Despite hints flowing everywhere on the thread. It does show a clear definition of what closemindedness truly is. cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:40pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
Gerarahere men.
You have nothing.

Have you gone through the thread?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:41pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
Okay no vex.
In two sentences, what is the answer to the question?

You say. Afterall I said "research" several times on the thread and "go back to the beginning" also several times.

Conclusive unbiased research on the origin of water should give you the answer you seek cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas(m): 9:45pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


You say. Afterall I said "research" several times on the thread and "go back to the beginning" also several times.

Conclusive unbiased research on the origin of water should give you the answer you seek cheesy
Mtchewww....
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:46pm On Sep 11
Remember my very important question

If science says evolution began from water and all life came from it are we to also say that water also evolved to suit all life?

Is it possible for water to adapt? Is it possible for water to mutate? Is it possible for water to evolve?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:48pm On Sep 11
Ranchhoddas:
Mtchewww....

Go do your own unbiased research and return with that other guy tomorrow. I dey wait. cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:06pm On Sep 11
For those who missed my final submission let me post it again


Okay now lets look at the reason for my thread. I did ask a specific question regarding how water would be created by man but like i said that was simply a throw off question as i wanted everyone to go back to the beginning as i hinted Bennyann so lets look at the beginning.

Here is an article regarding the origin of water

Water is so vital to our survival, but strangely enough, we don’t know the first thing about it—literally the first. Where does water, a giver and taker of life on planet Earth, come from? When I was in junior high school, my science teacher taught us about the water cycle—evaporation from oceans and lakes, condensation forming clouds , rain refilling oceans and lakes—and it all made sense. Except for one thing: None of the details explained where the water came from to begin with. I asked, but my teacher looked as if I’d sought the sound of one hand clapping.

To be fair, the origin of our planet’s water is an intricate story stretching back some 13.8 billion years to the Big Bang. And a key part of the story, centering on two particular solar system denizens, has been hotly debated for decades.

Here’s the part we think we understand well: Just shy of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, the energy that sparked the outward swelling of space transmuted into a hot, uniform bath of particles. During the next three minutes, these primordial constituents bumped and jostled, combined and recombined, yielding the first atomic nuclei. One of the great triumphs of modern cosmology is its mathematical description of these processes, which gives accurate predictions for the cosmic abundances of the simplest nuclei—a lot of hydrogen, less helium and trace amounts of lithium. Producing copious hydrogen is a propitious start en route to water, but what about the other essential ingredient, oxygen?

That’s where stars, already plentiful about a billion years after the Big Bang, enter the picture. Deep within their blisteringly hot interiors, stars are nuclear furnaces that fuse the Big Bang’s simple nuclei into more complex elements, including carbon, nitrogen and, yes, oxygen. Later in their lives, when stars go super­nova, the explosions spew these elements into space. Oxygen and hydrogen commingle to make H2O.

So are we done? Not quite. In fact, this is where things get a little murky. Water molecules were surely part of the dusty swirl that coalesced into the Sun and its planets beginning about nine billion years after the Big Bang. But Earth’s early history, including epochs with high ambient temperatures and no enveloping atmosphere, implies that surface water would have evaporated and drifted back into space. The water we encounter today, it seems, must have been delivered long after Earth formed.

Faced with this conundrum, astronomers realized that there are two ready-made sources: comets and asteroids, the solar system’s gravel strewn among planetary boulders. The primary difference between the two is that comets typically have a greater concentration of ingredients that vaporize when heated, accounting for their iconic gaseous tails. Both comets and asteroids can contain ice. And if, by colliding with Earth, they added the amount of material some scientists suspect, such bodies could easily have delivered oceans’ worth of water. Accordingly, each has been fingered as a suspect in the mystery.

Adjudicating between the two is a challenge, and over the years scientific judgment has swung from one to the other. Nevertheless, recent observations of their chemical makeups are tipping the scale toward asteroids. Researchers reported last year, for example, that the ratios of different forms of hydrogen in asteroids appear to better match what we find here on Earth. But the analyses are based on limited samples, meaning there’s a good chance we’ve not yet heard the final word.

Even so, the next time you turn on the tap, think of the flowing water’s long and wonderful journey. It certainly makes a bottle of Fiji seem a little less exotic.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-did-water-come-to-earth-72037248/#fyL8w4KtoWTwAEvT

The part in red says the waters we know today must have been delivered long after the earth formed now compare this to Genesis 1: 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Remember It says God first created the heavens and the earth and then the spirit of God hovered over the surface of the waters. This means the earth came first and then waters before anything else. Here was genesis giving a brief account of the origin of water and over 3000 years later science is agreeing to this fact.

Now based on the origin of water which science has been finding hard to agree upon why do we have water perfectly suited to everything on earth if its origin was not also deliberate?

Lets consider this:

Water is colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has wide margin between its boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.


Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.


Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.


Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water

If science says evolution began from water and all life came from it are we to also say that water also evolved to suit all life? THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION

Based on the above its safe to say water was not a chance occurrence but a deliberate one masterminded by something or someone intelligent.

Here is a comment by Nuhvey on this thread

First off, the extraterrestrial life forms should be able to manufacture organic materials as their source of food or nutrients... If We have something as complex as life, u'll base the chemistry generally on Carbon, Hydrogen, then Oxygen, Nitrogen or Sulphur. In this case, We could be able to extract some of these organic molecules and subject them to chemical reactions such as oxidation or reduction reactions... However, in this case, the amount of the extraterrestrial life would determine the amount of water being produced and it may not be enough for our population...
Case 2 would be a high energy dependent reaction.. It is well known that combustion of hydrogen, even just a little spark, would form some amount of water.. We know from observational astronomy that Stars are composed of many elements or atoms and at a critical time, when these stars begin to manufacture heavy elements in their core, they become unstable and can explode... Now this explosion yields atoms and molecules which are scattered through the galaxy as gas clouds and stuffs like that.. The commonest element in the universe is taken to be hydrogen, then helium, oxygen and nitrogen... Theoretically speaking, We could be able to gather a large amount of these elements (hydrogen and oxygen) maybe in large gas balloons and kind of burn them, we'll be able to get water in a large scale.. However, the reaction is violent so the amount of the would have to be just enough so as not to destroy the planet and some of the life forms... This could also be similar to the way water was formed in our planet... Some school of thought assert that about 2-3 billion years ago, high mass planetary bodies (asteroids) were bombarding the earth and due to their high speed and and the high temperature caused by the bombardment and as they crossed the atmosphere, it would have led to the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen which formed a lot of steam at the time... As time passed, the earth began to cool and water from the steam began to form.. If We could have create such a scenario, maybe through physical, chemical or nuclear means, there would be a possibility of the formation of water for the population... Anyways, its a hypothetical solution.. I await ur own answer to the question.

His comment only posses problems as regardless of how technologically advanced we are, we are still unable to create water that would match our entire earths population Yet a lot of people believe science is everything grin

Now i want to ask is water everything? If water sustains every known life on earth is water everything? If water is everything yet water can be deduced as not being a chance occurrence did water send itself here? If it did we should have experienced at least once another asteroid slamming into the earth and enabling us to witness first hand what is assumed to be the origin of water. Would you say that is truly its origin when you have not experienced it and may never do? No wonder science still argues this till today.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 10:29pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:


Well dont blame me. I do know that they argue scripture a lot and often times ignorantly so i thought to myself, let me bring up a discussion that does not begin with scripture and see how they fare. The result on this thread is shockingly alarming. grin

All of them just turn deaf and dumb cheesy
Welcome once again to the atheists world in NL

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:33pm On Sep 11
701ecilana:

Welcome once again to the atheists world in NL

Na wa o

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 11:03pm On Sep 11
butterflylion:
Now they have gone silent. cheesy

They come and peek and vanish. Tonyosas101 the impatient one oya food haf show. Ranchhoddas the discourager of men food don land. adepeter2027 the arewa miss road come and chop food. I saw Johnydon peek and vanish. grin i also saw hopefullandlord peek and his tongue got cut off cheesy grin (not like i am surprised at his particular reaction though)
Your jokes is always funny

Nice one
Let me go over it again
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 11:20pm On Sep 11
I need a little favor from you OP

please quote me with the main or real question & the main or real answer to it

Please
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 11:24pm On Sep 11
Tonyosas101:
I need a little favor from you OP

please quote me with the main or real question & the main or real answer to it

Please

If you go through the thread you will see I was hinting on the beginning of everything. I did not want the thread to follow the normal pattern people are used to because I did not want copy and paste everywhere.

I wanted people to carry out their own unbiased research. So you will see " the beginning of everything " being hinted and since water is the focus I wanted everyone to research the origin of water.

The answer is what I already gave from my own research so anyone is free to argue that with their own unbiased research.

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