andrewza:

hopefully we still get the leo2 before to many buyers increase the price.

it could still just go back into production ya'know

Plus, new MBT is so low on the list of needs. Hopefully something new will be on the market.

In anycase, something like the Jap Type 10 or Leclerc MBT is more in line with what we need.

Or... we could break the bank an invest in K-2's

Basically, there is so much out there, not getting the Leo would not be the end of the world.

Hell, maybe some Chally 2's will be on the market by then...

Basically, as long as we dont buy slavshit, im happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FowuRR9Co3Q



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-_No8C2NXI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e90lURwRsBU

Henry120:

You have no Data links.

You only got 10 half-french helicopters for a 471, 359 sq land mass. Fact. Pathetic limousine airforce.

I'm not surprised by your wishful thinking,and fantasy world sentiments.

Link-ZA is part of the Combat Net Interoperability Standard(CNIS),introduced as part of the 98 defence review along with Gripens,Hawks,Submarines etc.

Every Gripen,Valour class frigate,Oryx etc is tracked using Link-ZA during operations,unlike some whom jets vanish under their noises.

"You don't have a brain cause we can't see it",type of argument you're putting up.

Regarding the numbers of the Rooivalk,The Test Flight and development centre(TFDC) where one Rooivalk is stationed is part or a unit of the South African Air force.

The South African air has 11 Rooivalks. The SANDF doesn't hoard equipment,as part of aircraft life span it'll will be upgraded,integrated with newer avionics,EW kit and weapons.

With that in mind one airframe is kept at the centre. Like a true military.

Unlike your rebel force,grappling to deal with ill trained boko boys whom continue to "chop your land" like Cameroon did with the Bakassi peninsula.

Patchesagain:

it could still just go back into production ya'know

Plus, new MBT is so low on the list of needs. Hopefully something new will be on the market.

In anycase, something like the Jap Type 10 or Leclerc MBT is more in line with what we need.

Or... we could break the bank an invest in K-2's

Basically, there is so much out there, not getting the Leo would not be the end of the world.

Hell, maybe some Chally 2's will be on the market by then...

Basically, as long as we dont buy slavshit, im happy

if we buy new we may as well just build the TTD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md39hSguc5U

MikeZA: I'm not surprised by your wishful thinking,and fantasy world sentiments.

Link-ZA is part of Combat Net Interoperability Standard(CNIS),introduced as part of 98 defence review along with Gripens,Hawks,Submarines etc.

Every Gripen,Valour class frigate,Oryx etc is tracked using Link-ZA during operations,unlike some whom jets vanish under their noises.

"You don't have a brain cause we can't see it",type of argument you're putting up.

Regarding the numbers of the Rooivalk,The Test Flight and development centre(TFDC) where one Rooivalk is stationed is part or a unit of the South African Air force.

The South African air has 11 Rooivalks. The SANDF doesn't hoard equipment,as part of aircraft life span it'll will be upgraded,integrated with newer avionics,EW kit and weapons.

With that in mind one airframe is kept at the centre. Like a true military.

Unlike your rebel force,grappling to deal with ill trained boko boys whom continue to "chop your land" like Cameroon did with the Bakassi peninsula.

Even every SF operator can car a impi tracker that can hook up with link ZA and be tracked, means when he needs support it will arrive where he is. Even the Navies Xena boats are linked with link ZA and the xeana base can track them any where. Every new radio purchased by the SANDF must be LINK-ZA compatible

andrewza:

if we buy new we may as well just build the TTD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md39hSguc5U

Joint project with the Brazilians would be nice.

They have their own TTD which they also shelved and their Leo 1's are getting old.

Could be another fantastic co-operative like the A-Darter

TTD


http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tank_technology_demonstrator.htm


The TTD or Tank Technology Demonstrator prototype main battle tank was completed in the early 1990s. It used some German Leopard 2 MBT technology and was intended to replace ageing South African MBTs. Only a prototype has been built and the TTD never went into service because of limited funding. This vehicle is currently kept at the Armor Museum. Some of the TTD subsystems were applied to the Olifant Mk.2. These upgraded MBTs are expected to serve well into the 21st century.

The TTD has all-welded steel hull and turret. Vehicle is protected by a composite armor. No official details of the protection have been released, however it was claimed that the front arc protects against APFSDS and HEAT rounds of unspecified caliber. All-round protection is against medium-caliber rounds. All critical subsystems are also protected against medium-caliber fire. Protection could be enhanced by modular add-on armor packages or ERA packages. Vehicle has improved protection against anti-tank mines.

The Tank Technology Demonstrator is armed with a GT-7 105-mm rifled gun, which is similar to British L7 tank gun, mounted in the Olifant Mk.1B tank turret. This gun fires all standard NATO 105-mm tank ammunition. It has a rate of fire in 6 rounds per minute. It is worth mentioning that the turret of the TTD can accommodate larger LIW 120-mm smoothbore gun. Most of the rounds for the main gun is stored inside the turret bustle, separated from the crew by armored screen and fitted with blow-off panels. Loader automatically pre-selects ammunition type. This Olifant Mk.1B turret is compatible with application on Centurion and Chieftain main battle tanks, making this turret suitable for upgrading these tanks.

Secondary armament consists of two 7.62-mm machine guns. One of them is mounted coaxially with the main gun, second is located on top of the roof.

This prototype main battle tank is fitted with modern fire control system. It provides a good fire accuracy even on the move. Vehicle is also fitted with navigation and communication equipment.

The Tank Technology Demonstrator has a crew of four, including commander, gunner, loader and driver.

Vehicle is powered by unspecified turbocharged diesel engine, developing 1 250 hp. It was designed to operate away from workshop support and is capable of self-deploying over long distances.

andrewza:

if we buy new we may as well just build the TTD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md39hSguc5U

The TTD had German Leopard 2 technology. Including the 120mm gunm

andrewza:

Even every SF operator can car a impi tracker that can hook up with link ZA and be tracked, means when he needs support it will arrive where he is. Even the Navies Xena boats are linked with link ZA and the xeana base can track them any where. Every new radio purchased by the SANDF must be LINK-ZA compatible

Every deployed unit has a tracker.

Soon if he needs support,he'll just press a button and his message will appear on the Chaka C2 software. Where the commander is sitting.

CNIS is standard,other equipment include ISTAR stuff procured under Project Cytoon.

Patchesagain:

Joint project with the Brazilians would be nice.

They have their own TTD which they also shelved and their Leo 1's are getting old.

Could be another fantastic co-operative like the A-Darter

The A-Darter is simply waiting for the air force to order it,putting the project into the industrialisation and production phase. The defence review might the reason holding the order.

Collaboration should on the Marlin BVR missile which is reported to going for tests next year. http:///nkDFO1yYHj

http://www.janes.com/article/43439/marlin-nears-first-test-aad143#.VB7E5e-apdM.twitter

MikeZA: The A-Darter is simply waiting for the air force to order it,putting the project into the industrialisation and production phase. The defence review might the reason holding the order.

Collaboration should on the Marlin BVR missile which is reported to going for tests next year. http:///nkDFO1yYHj

http://www.janes.com/article/43439/marlin-nears-first-test-aad143#.VB7E5e-apdM.twitter

interesting

I wonder if the development of a ground launcher for the Uhmkonto for the GBADS program will be halted to allow the adoption of the Marlin

Either way, a Valour Class cruising about with 16 Uhmkonto and 16 Marlin in the VLS tubes will be a hell of a keystone in fleet air defence

Patchesagain:

interesting

I wonder if the development of a ground launcher for the Uhmkonto for the GBADS program will be halted to allow the adoption of the Marlin

Either way, a Valour Class cruising about with 16 Uhmkonto and 16 Marlin in the VLS tubes will be a hell of a keystone in fleet air defence

The Umkhonto is part of the sable. Talk about a ground launched variant of the missile(Marlin) I think came from the Brazilian need to have a ground launched radar guided missile.

To sought of attract them into the programme,as for Umkhonto wouldn't offer much technology transfer. Cause a radar version development will focus around the seeker head,boosters and warheads. Meaning it would really be unwise for the Brazilians to call for joint-dev.

The was talk of the ground based launchers(containers) to have different "Umkhontos"(radar,IR,IR Extended). To avoid using expensive missiles like the radar version against helicopters or worthless aircraft 10km or so away.

All that needed is to upgraded the missiles to area defence.

[size=15pt]Another horse in the stable[/size]

Denel Dynamics is showing a model of its Raptor III precision stand-off weapon for the first time, in the company’s display outside Hangar 4. The weapon is tailored to a strategic mission against high-value targets, which are often hardened and well-defended.

Like its predecessor, the Raptor II, the new weapon has pop-out wings to extend range. However, the Raptor III is aerodynamically cleaner with its systems being housed within the weapon body.

Other systems, such as infrared seeker, have also been improved. The programme is currently in the development stage.

Raptor III is a long-range (less than 300km) weapon that can be programmed to fly a variety of flightpaths. It is guided by jam-resistant GNSS (global navigation satellite system) and inertial navigation, with optional low-light TV or imaging infrared terminal-phase seekers.

Automatic target recognition algorithms allow the weapon to identify its target and guide itself to impact with a circular error probability of less than 3m. Blast/frag and penetration warhead options are available.

Attack profiles are best planned on the ground for optimal mission planning, but the Raptor III has a datalink for in-flight target reprogramming. The weapon can be fully integrated with an aircraft’s fire control system, or linked to the carrier’s system by wireless transmission.

Henry120:

$510 billion, 25th largest and the absolute number one economy in Africa. I'll love to visit that place........... Oh wait, I already live there.


Meanwhile in south-africa. You come tops as the murder capital of the world, and the most un-equal country on the planet, again. A country where an average white house hold makes 10 times the income of 87% of the rest of the population. A country where 87% of the population only have a middle-income bracket of 15%.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures





A country where 1 in 5 people is a filthy/ dirty HIV carrier. So of the 10 south-africans on this thread 2 of you are confirmed HIV carriers.

1 in 5 children in NIGERIA is HIV positive, so what?

If South Africans behaved like Nigerians.

And I was post the pictures I took and links for new weapon systems revealed at the AAD,some Nigerian would collapse and die of hatred.

From the Badger IFV,new UAVs,New MRAPS,New missiles etc

Patchesagain: [size=15pt]Another horse in the stable[/size]

Denel Dynamics is showing a model of its Raptor III precision stand-off weapon for the first time, in the company’s display outside Hangar 4. The weapon is tailored to a strategic mission against high-value targets, which are often hardened and well-defended.

Like its predecessor, the Raptor II, the new weapon has pop-out wings to extend range. However, the Raptor III is aerodynamically cleaner with its systems being housed within the weapon body.

Other systems, such as infrared seeker, have also been improved. The programme is currently in the development stage.

Raptor III is a long-range (less than 300km) weapon that can be programmed to fly a variety of flightpaths. It is guided by jam-resistant GNSS (global navigation satellite system) and inertial navigation, with optional low-light TV or imaging infrared terminal-phase seekers.

Automatic target recognition algorithms allow the weapon to identify its target and guide itself to impact with a circular error probability of less than 3m. Blast/frag and penetration warhead options are available.

Attack profiles are best planned on the ground for optimal mission planning, but the Raptor III has a datalink for in-flight target reprogramming. The weapon can be fully integrated with an aircraft’s fire control system, or linked to the carrier’s system by wireless transmission.

I prefer this systems over -200km range cruise missiles.

As they're far cheaper.

SAAF still has need for such weapons. Coupled with aerial refuelling any Sub-saharan African country hoping to distabilise any SADC country,will sure know a strong punch from the South is coming.

@Henry120

What is it you were saying about your dusty Nigeria vs superior South Africa?

MikeZA: I prefer this systems over -200km range cruise missiles.

As they're far cheaper.

SAAF still has need for such weapons. Coupled with aerial refuelling any Sub-saharan African country hoping to distabilise any SADC country,will sure know a strong punch from the South is coming.

#SANDF IsBroke YouWill BuyNothing New....Only Nigeria BuysNew Weapons

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MikeZA: If South Africans behaved like Nigerians.

And I was post the pictures I took and links for new weapon systems revealed at the AAD,some Nigerian would collapse and die of hatred.

From the Badger IFV,new UAVs,New MRAPS,New missiles etc

Weapons and Equipment displayed at arms manufacturers marketing show are NOT in the arsenal of SANDF.

Example is your Mbombe MRAP, we see photos of it, but SANDF refused to buy.

Arms Producers' Marketing Show =/= Army Armoury

SANDF is busy retrenching soldiers, and postponing ALL weapons/equipment purchases.

ONLY NIGERIAN MILITARY IS BUYING WEAPONS NOW

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agaugust:


#SANDF IsBroke YouWill BuyNothing New....Only Nigeria BuysNew Weapons

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Actually No.

A lot of acquisitions,are on hold because of the defence review which might influence on numbers and such.

The money Nigeria is using to buy weapons with,isn't from the military but government.

Stop being childish,before I forcefully feed you another humble pie.

agaugust:

Weapons and Equipment displayed at arms manufacturers marketing show are NOT in the arsenal of SANDF.

Example is your Mbombe MRAP, we see photos of it, but SANDF refused to buy.

Arms Produces Marketing Show =/= Army Armoury

SANDF is busy retrenching soldiers, and postponing ALL weapons/equipment purchases.

ONLY NIGERIAN MILITARY IS BUYING WEAPONS NOW

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SA defence industry capabilities. Which forms part of SA defence's tail.

South Africa is AHEAD of all African nations in military tech. What we know about defence companies is that they rally behind their countries during warring times,to sell their weapons.

Vehicles like the Mbombe,are a response to the SANDF projects. The replacement for the Cassipirs and Mambas with new APCs.

It is a defence expo not arms manufactures marketing show.

agaugust:

Weapons and Equipment displayed at arms manufacturers marketing show are NOT in the arsenal of SANDF.

Example is your Mbombe MRAP, we see photos of it, but SANDF refused to buy.

Arms Produces Marketing Show =/= Army Armoury

SANDF is busy retrenching soldiers, and postponing ALL weapons/equipment purchases.

ONLY NIGERIAN MILITARY IS BUYING WEAPONS NOW

.

what's this obsession you have on the Mbombe APC? Love it?

It isn't an MRAP.

MikeZA: what's this obsession you have on the Mbombe APC? Love it?

It isn't an MRAP.

Whatever it is IFV or whatever, it is almost another Rooivalk failure...rejected by SANDF because they cannot afford it
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agaugust:

Whatever it is IFV or whatever, it is almost another Rooivalk failure...rejected by SANDF because they cannot afford it
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The Badger IFV was chosen. Which is more expensive,and proves that affordability isn't a factor at all.

It might be chosen as replacement for the APC replacement project.

You thought in your standards that the Mbombe is really awesome,and the SA army should run make orders? LOL

SMART BUYERS.

Jordan has already ordered more 40 of them. What failure are you talking about?

MikeZA: The Badger IFV was chosen. Which is more expensive,and proves that affordability isn't a factor at all.

It might be chosen as replacement for the APC replacement project.

You thought in your standards that the Mbombe is really awesome,and the SA army should run make orders? LOL

SMART BUYERS.

Jordan has already ordered more 40 of them. What failure are you talking about?

One buyer out of 150 countries is NOT smart

40 units sale of an IFV that cost millions of dollars to develop, is a near business failure. That is how DENEL entered into debt and collapsed before SA government bailed it out with cash handout
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agaugust:

One buyer out of 150 countries is NOT smart

40 units sale of an IFV that cost millions of dollars to develop, is a near business failure. That is how DENEL entered into debt and collapsed before SA government bailed it out with cash handout
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First, the Mbombe isn't produced Denel.... Then NO country in the world sells a product to 150 (or so) countries.

Do your research dummo, don't rush into making unbaked statements.

Patchesagain:

lol - you have one untrusted source that says two were sent. Will 2 make a difference?

I challenge you to find a reputable source: SIPRI, Janes ect

Its just another mythical aquisition in line with the T-72's

Bwahahaha

Illiterate mugu, SIPRI cannot post any of the new Nigerian weapons, or do you see our BigFoot MRAP on SIPRI database? No ! SIPRI database is updated only once a year around Spring Season which is April .

You will not see Nigeria's new Super Tucano, JF-17 Thunder, Su-30 Flanker, Mi-35M Hind E, T-84 Oplot, T-72, BM-30 Smerch on SIPRI arms transfer database until April 2015 next year.....Fool of Gauteng
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Patchesagain:

And yes, the Ingwe and Mokopa can penetrate T-84 tank:

Ingwe:

This is fitted with the same HEAT warhead (with the option of a new HEAT warhead) and a nose mounted precursor charge. It is estimated that this warhead will penetrate around 1,000 mm of RHA protected by ERA
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2101.html

Conclusion: Ingwe can penetrate it

Mokopa:

The primary role will be anti-armour for which a tandem High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) warhead able to penetrate over 1,350 mm of rolled homogenous steel armour, protected by Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA)
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product869.html

Conclusion: Mokopa can penetrate it

Milan ER:

"The warhead can penetrate 1m explosive reactive armour (ERA) or rolled homogenous armour, or over 3m of reinforced concrete."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/milan-er-extended-response-anti-tank-missile-system/

Conclusion: Milan ER can penetrate it

And 11 Rooivalks armed with up to 12 Makopa each are more than enough to handle 2 T-82's

Infact, they could handle 132 of them in just one attack

And lets not even talk about what a Paveway dropped from a Gripen will do to it


Keep dreaming kid

[size=14pt]No way ignorant bush man !

Now I know South Africa does NOT have any tank like Nigeria's modern T-84 Oplot.

Our new tank CANNOT be penetrated by any weapon or missile in Africa !

Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) is out-dated when used alone....

Nigeria's T-84 Oplot has 3 different types of armour combination.


1. Composite multi-layer armour
2. ERA armour
3. Rolled Steel

All three types of armour built into one single Nigerian army tank ! Wow ! Best tank in Africa !


You just wasted your time writing a useless analysis of South African anti-tank missiles Ingwe and Mokopa or Milan that CANNOT penetrate modern day Multi-Layer Composite armour of Nigerian T-84

Your missiles are built to penetrate only ERA...Explosive Reactive Armour....Reactive armour, but unfortunately for SANDF our new Naija super tank has multi-layer Composite Non-Reactive armour on all vital areas....Passive armour multi-layers is on Nigerian army's mighty T-84 tank o ! Yeeeeeh !! South African army is finished ooooo !!

South African anti-tank missiles have failed, your army in now defenseless against the onslaught of Nigerian army T-84 ultra-modern tanks.

Gripen jet bombs CANNOT penetrate our T-84 tank o !

Nigerian army T-84 has composite impenetrable armour, and more than that....

Our T-84 has new generation self-protection anti-laser and anti-missile weapon called Varta Optronics Counter-measures, it will jam all missile guidance systems directed at the tank from enemy tanks, IFV, jet fighters, helicopters, artillery, ATGM infantry mobile launchers.... nothing can penetrate Nigerian army's new world class Tank that South Africa does NOT have !

"Protection

The protection system includes :

Multi-layer passive armour,

Nozh-2 explosive reactive armour

Zaslon active protection system

Varta Optronic Counter-Measures System and other tank protection means.

Built-in new generation Nozh-2 anti-tandem-warhead explosive reactive armour protects against APFSDS, (HESH) or high-explosive plastic (HEP) and HEAT-type projectiles.

Nozh-2 ensures protection against:

hand anti-tank grenades, hand-held and stationary grenade launchers and recoilless guns (including ammunition with tandem warheads)

anti-tank missiles of TOW-2, MILAN and Shturm-S type

HEAT projectiles fired by 125 mm tank smoothbore guns

APFSDS projectiles fire by 125 mm and 120 mm tank guns

Both sides of the driver's compartment are fitted with explosive reactive armour panels for extended protection. The hull sides are hinged with large rubber skirts to withstand the attacks of man-portable anti-tank weapons.

Oplot features a Varta optronic countermeasures system for deceiving incoming missiles and anti-tank guided weapons.

The system integrates laser warning sensors, infra-red jammer and smoke / aerosol screen laying system. The Cptronic countermeasure system provides:

confusing of the guidance systems of ATGM by putting out laser jamming covering the horizontal plane of ±18° relative to the main gun tube and ±2° in the vertical plane jamming of the ATGM guidance systems that use laser illumination of targets, semi-automatic laser guided homing projectiles as well as artillery systems equipped with laser range-finders by activating the remote fast-deploying aerosol screens in a sector of ±45° relative to the main gun tube."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-84

All South African weapons CANNOT penetrate Nigerian army's new T-84 Oplot tank oooo !

We will drive this new T-84 tank from Cape Town to Johannesburg to Durban to Soweto to Pretoria where we will Capture Jacob Zuma and ship him to Abuja !

PHOTO : NIGERIAN ARMY'S NEW T-84 MONSTER ...MASTER OVER SOUTH AFRICA !

http://www.informe.com.ua/en/page/119843/ukraine-to-send-two-sophisticated-tanks-to-nigeria-photo[/size]


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agaugust:


#SANDF IsBroke YouWill BuyNothing New....Only Nigeria BuysNew Weapons

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Yeah, I guess you didnt read the article Thiza posted about current programes in the SANDF

Not broke
Still buying new weapons

agaugust:

Weapons and Equipment displayed at arms manufacturers marketing show are NOT in the arsenal of SANDF.

Example is your Mbombe MRAP, we see photos of it, but SANDF refused to buy.

Arms Producers' Marketing Show =/= Army Armoury

SANDF is busy retrenching soldiers, and postponing ALL weapons/equipment purchases.

ONLY NIGERIAN MILITARY IS BUYING WEAPONS NOW

.

Denel is state owned.

Everything Denel makes

Everything any comapany Denel owns makes

Belongs to the state

And yes, we havent bought the Mbombe... yet

agaugust:

Whatever it is IFV or whatever, it is almost another Rooivalk failure...rejected by SANDF because they cannot afford it
.

Mbombe has allready been sold to other nations jackass

agaugust:


Bwahahaha

Illiterate mugu, SIPRI cannot post any of the new Nigerian weapons, or do you see our BigFoot MRAP on SIPRI database? No ! SIPRI database is updated only once a year around Spring Season which is April .

You will not see Nigeria's new Super Tucano, JF-17 Thunder, Su-30 Flanker, Mi-35M Hind E, T-84 Oplot, T-72, BM-30 Smerch on SIPRI arms transfer database until April 2015 next year.....Fool of Gauteng
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lol no we wont

You say Nigeria had Tucano's and T-72's last year - and yet it does not show up on SIPRI

in anycase would a responsible person not wait until they can prove they have what they say they have?