mzilakazi:

They were grounded in October 2012 because of poor maintenance and Pakistan helped to pull them back on track and since then how much sure are we if they were able to get full time maintenance contract? We haven't seen them for quite a long time taking part in the fight against insurgency. So far we have only seen alpha jets in action.
http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=2596&newst=2

they arent grounded
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http://www.gbooza.com/group/nigeriapolitics/forum/topics/air-force-wont-ground#axzz3KA6ltmrP
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they are still very operational.thank you very much.cloned clown.

ActivateKruger:

That is a trainer jet.

mumu!.its an ADVANCED training aircraft,that also doubles as a light attack jet.the dornier jet supports:
*AIM-9 sidewinder air-to-air missiles
*Matra Magic II{series} air-to-air missiles
*AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile etc
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pray tell me,how is that an ordinary trainer jet?.clown.

EVarn:
they arent grounded
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http://www.gbooza.com/group/nigeriapolitics/forum/topics/air-force-wont-ground#axzz3KA6ltmrP
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they are still very operational.thank you very much.cloned clown.

Your link is dated 26 March 2011 and that was far before they were officially grounded in October 2012. Parkistan was called in to help and since then we have never saw them in Action.

ActivateKruger:

That's a MiG 21 reincarnated... we shot those in Angola like target practice.

how is the F7 a MiG 21 reincarnated?,what you shot down in angola were rusted tin cans with wings that came all the way from over the ocean.a fleet of F7 is enough to propel SA into the world of merlin and camelot.

mzilakazi:



Your link is dated 26 March 2011 and that was far before they were officially grounded in October 2012. Parkistan was called in to help and since then we have never saw them in Action.

they arent grounded,infact,they're being used in military strikes in the north east.

EVarn:
mumu!.its an ADVANCED training aircraft,that also doubles as a light attack jet.the dornier jet supports:
*AIM-9 sidewinder air-to-air missiles
*Matra Magic II{series} air-to-air missiles
*AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile etc
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pray tell me,how is that an ordinary trainer jet?.clown.

It still doesn't change the fact that Its a trainer.

MORE NAF JETS

ActivateKruger:

It still doesn't change the fact that Its a trainer.

the germans who made it dont even use it as a trainer aircraft,they use it as a conventional light fighter jet.only the french{bunch of losers} use it as a trainer aircraft.
bottom line: its a light attack jet.thank you.

SOUTH AFRICAN SPECIAL FORCES

NO FORCE TO COMPARE WITH IN AFRICA

EVarn:
they arent grounded,infact,they're being used in military strikes in the north east.

That answer is Alpha light attack fighters. Chengdu F7-Ni has not seen action for some time, actually more than a year from today.

mzilakazi:

That answer is Alpha light attack fighters. Chengdu F7-Ni has not seen action for some time, actually more than a year from today.

and how do you know that?,what proof do you have?

SA special forces

mzilakazi:


That answer is Alpha light attack fighters. Chengdu F7-Ni has not seen action for some time, actually more than a year from today.

You tell lies a lot, the F-7 jets are newer and better than the Alpha jets.

NAF HQ official news has declared F-7 jets do regular combat against Boko Haram in North East, they are faster to respond at distress location than the Alpha jets, the mosty urgent calls get F-7 jet response to combat action, they fly to any battle zone in less than 7 minutes.

Their speed also makes it impossible for Boko anti-aircraft to easily shoot them down even though they may get hit by some AAA shells

PHOTO: NAF F-7 JET PILOT RETURNS FROM COMBAT MISSION IN NORTH EAST
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EVarn:


and how do you know that?,what proof do you have?

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He is a liar, and the lies he tells against NAF F-7 is because he was shocked when we made him realize that the missiles on NAF F-7 is equal in capability to the missiles on SAAF Gripen, he has not yet recovered from that shock !

NAF F-7NI air to air weapons = SAAF Gripen air to air weapons.

Also, NAF F-7 jets have been firing training missiles in combat with the well experienced Pakistani air force, while SAAF Gripens jets have NO training missiles and have NEVER fired any missiles in their almost 7 years of existence.

NAF pilots are better trained than SAAF pilots of today 2014, we have the edge now in jet vs jet combat !
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Yes,they hard landed a single Rooivalk. But your Nigerian lagos,marijuana,crack smoking pilots crashed three interceptor jets(F7). Many retired pilots are involved in the military. Tell me this Rooivalk pilot looks like "amateur" to you. NO missile was ever fired at a Nigerian aircraft. www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8ab6fb80424e6a278c56fe56d5ffbd92/SA-soldiers-to-spend-Christmas-in-DRC-20131224


Nigeria is still using old parents with sunken jaws in their army.Parents who cannat shoot an AK47 for 10 munits.they claim they have a large number of troops not knowing that 70percent are minors.Part of the cameroon army is trained by the Isreali force.Isreal is small but don't forget what the did to Egypt.Naija,if you try cameroon,their young healthy BIR will deal with you.See what they are doing to boko haram in the north of cameroon.it is a shame that Naija troops are running away from boko haram into small cameroon.Nigeria should eliminate boko haram before their voices can be heard

EVarn:
and how do you know that?,what proof do you have?

My friend, I am very considerate in following the details of any war.

1. From the attach source it was proven that on the 1st of October 2012 the whole fleet of F7s were grounded following one crash after another. However, Pakistan came of some help, hence, the aircrafts were poorly maintained.
2. Nigeria's sudden need of stealth attack fighter jets. That is very unusual of an Air force that already has super machine that are in operation. Why, would air force want fighters if they already have fighters which are in good order? That gesture leaves a lot to be desired.
3. Total absence of F7s in action, it spells a hero missing in action. Where is the hero? Could he be sick? Those are some of the question one needs to ask oneself.

agaugust:


You tell lies a lot, the F-7 jets are newer and better than the Alpha jets.

NAF HQ official news has declared F-7 jets do regular combat against Boko Haram in North East, they are faster to respond at distress location than the Alpha jets, the mosty urgent calls get F-7 jet response to combat action, they fly to any battle zone in less than 7 minutes.

Their speed also makes it impossible for Boko anti-aircraft to easily shoot them down even though they may get hit by some AAA shells

PHOTO: NAF F-7 JET PILOT RETURNS FROM COMBAT MISSION IN NORTH EAST
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They are newer, yet they were reported to have mechanical failures and poor maintenance. They were grounded as confirmed by sources and not me.

mzilakazi:
My friend, I am very considerate in following the details of any war.

somehow,i find it hard to believe
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1.From the attach source it was proven that on the 1st of October 2012 the whole fleet of F7s were grounded following one crash after another.However, Pakistan came of some help, hence, the aircrafts were poorly maintained. [/quote] pakistan came to train personnel to fly and maintain supersonic jets
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2. Nigeria's sudden need of stealth attack fighter jets. That is very unusual of an Air force that already has super machine that are in operation. Why, would air force want fighters if they already have fighters which are in good order? That gesture leaves a lot to be desired. [/quote] nigeria's need for new stealth fighter jets,stems from the need to rearm the airforce
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3. Total absence of F7s in action, it spells a hero missing in action. Where is the hero? Could he be sick? [/quote] you have no evidence to support such presumptous claims.

THIS IS AN EXTRACT FROM AN INTERVIEW CARRIED OUT BETWEEN SANDF COMMANDING OFFICER IN CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC AND SELEKA REBEL COMMANDERS.....THE PUBLISHER IS STEPHAN HOFSTATTER:

Colonel William DIXON says the first sign of trouble was when the special forces Land Cruisers arrived at the base riddled with bullets. Some men were limping and bleeding. The rebel advance had begun. The base was on the outskirts of the steaming capital Bangui, near a Y-junction where the two main roads into the city meet. One headed northwest to Bouar, the main route to neighbouring Cameroon, the other due north to Damara, 70 Km away.

The junction would soon become a site of carnage, where 13 South African soldiers were to die in three days of fierce fighting against impossible odds. Two more would die later of wounds.

Hours earlier, at 3 pm on March 2013, a special forces convoy of four Land Cruisers and two Hornets ( Rapid Deployment vehicles mounted with heavy machine guns) pulling rocket launchers were attacked on the Damara road by 200 Seleka rebels. Three men were wounded in the 15 minute fight.

The men of Charlie Company from 1 Parachute Battalion in Bloemfontein had been settling down for a quite night, but instead, the 150 paratroopers had to spring into action. They loaded mortars, machine guns and ammunition on to trucks. It was dark by the time they left the base and deployed on two hills 4.5 km away, off the Damara road.

Far from the small, ragtag force they had expected, the South Africans faced thousands of rebels armed with machine guns, AK47s, mortars, grenade lauchers and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs).

Seleka Colonel Ali ABUBAKER's technical was one of the first hit. "I LOST SEVEN OF MY MEN AND THREE WOUNDED" he recalls. In a pattern that would be repeated in the coming hours, he fell back into the bush to attack again. Soon rebels were fanning into the bush to attack two South African platoons positioned on the hill.

Combat Medic Staff Sergeant Serole MAMPA returned rebel fire while a wounded soldier was rescued "They had to carry him on a streacher behind our vehicle until we reached an ambulance while I kept firing back" he says.

When COLONEL DIXON AND MAJOR SILVA arrived at 10am, the platoons on the left hill had withdrawn under heavy fire. Now the priority was to retake the hill. By then the South African Special Forces group had joined the action." IT WAS A BLOODY FIRE POWER" says SILVA.

The South Africans unleashed a barrage of machine gun fire, mortars and rockets at the hill. " WITHIN 30 MINUTES WE GAINED THE INITIATIVE" says SILVA. By 2 pm the rebels were being driven back. The South Africans thought the fight was over.

The worst was yet to come. During the lull, civillians were streaming past the SANDF Soldiers towars Bangui, some carrying the severed genitals, ears and hands of slain SELEKA rebels. "THEY WERE CHEERING US AND HOLDING UP THOSE THINGS AND SAYING " THANK YOU SOUTH AFRICA, SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!" RECALLS MULAUDZI.

Ten minutes after the special forces group and DIXON's tactical HQ reached the base in Bangui to rearm, the observation post on the Bouar road reported that 30 technical were bearing down on the city from the northwest.

The Special Forces raced past Y-junction to form a skirmish line 10 km from the base with four Land Cruisers and two Hornets armed to teeth, along with DIXON's tactical HQ. AN ESTIMATED 4 500 REBELS DESCENDED ON THE 35 SOUTH AFRICANS, WHO HELD THE LINE FOR TWO TO THREE HOURS. " It dawn on us that the Damara road attack was just a diversion" says SILVA.

MOHAMED TAHIR, A SELEKA COMMANDER, SAYS HE LOST "MORE THAN HALF" OF HIS 500 MEN." IT WAS A VERY HARD FIGHT. THE SOUTH AFRICANS HAD VERY GOOD MATERIALS AND WERE GOOD FIGHTERS" HE SAYS.

Increadibly, not a single South African soldier had been killed yet, although both roads were LITTERED WITH SELEKA DEAD. By now it was getting dark, and Charlie Company on the Damara road would soon be cut off. SILVA was sent with every available vehicle to evacuate them. When he arrived, Charlie Comapny was under a heavy fire and had given up the left hill. Returning heavy fire, the men piled into a convoy of four Geckos and four Land Cruisers.

The convoy set off in the dark which was a fatal mistake that cost them dearly.

REBELS INTERVIEWED DESCRIBED THE ENCOUNTER AS VERY BLOODIED SO SAYS CAPTAIN AMIN NDOJOKAMA OF THE SELEKA......ACCORDING TO SILVA THE FORCE MANAGE TO BROKE OUT OF THE ENCIRCLEMENT AND FOUGHT THEIR WAY TO THE BASE IN DIFFERENT GROUPINGS.

ACCORDING TO COLONEL DIXON HIS COMBAT FORCE OF 200 SOLDIERS HAD FIRED OFF 10 TONS OF AMMUNITION AND KILLED 1 200 REBELS.

EVarn:


somehow,i find it hard to believe
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1. pakistan came to train personnel to fly and maintain supersonic jets

Since then were there ever been scheduled maintenance? How sure are we if the schedule was kept up to date
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2. nigeria's need for new stealth fighter jets,stems from the need to rearm the airforce

Still, that leaves a lot to be desired. What is wrong with the one that you already have? Oh! I forgot that the chief said the only operational jets cannot discharge PGM and that would be nothing other than Alpha jets.
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3. you have no evidence to support such presumptous claims.

I have already attached a source to prove that.

agaugust:


You tell lies a lot, the F-7 jets are newer and better than the Alpha jets.

NAF HQ official news has declared F-7 jets do regular combat against Boko Haram in North East, they are faster to respond at distress location than the Alpha jets, the mosty urgent calls get F-7 jet response to combat action, they fly to any battle zone in less than 7 minutes.

Their speed also makes it impossible for Boko anti-aircraft to easily shoot them down even though they may get hit by some AAA shells

PHOTO: NAF F-7 JET PILOT RETURNS FROM COMBAT MISSION IN NORTH EAST
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Nonsense.

Your own Aifroce Cheif said:

- they cannot deploy proper munitions
- they are obsolete
- there are serious serviceability problems

agaugust:


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He is a liar, and the lies he tells against NAF F-7 is because he was shocked when we made him realize that the missiles on NAF F-7 is equal in capability to the missiles on SAAF Gripen, he has not yet recovered from that shock !

NAF F-7NI air to air weapons = SAAF Gripen air to air weapons.

Also, NAF F-7 jets have been firing training missiles in combat with the well experienced Pakistani air force, while SAAF Gripens jets have NO training missiles and have NEVER fired any missiles in their almost 7 years of existence.

NAF pilots are better trained than SAAF pilots of today 2014, we have the edge now in jet vs jet combat !
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First, i have allready posted how your missiles are inferior

Second, when and where do you train with the Pakistani Airforce?

Third, Pakistani Airforce has not engaged in major air to air operations since the 1970's. And only saw limited use as CAS in the Kargil war.

Fourth, how are they better trained? How many flight hours do they get per month? With fighter pilots skill is judged by flight hours. How many do yours have?

Fifth, F-7 does not stand a chance against the Gripen.

#Wrecked

AugustineAgain:


LOL, Nigerian army's new amphibious BMP-2 IFV has 33mm armour, even a 23mm cannon CANNOT penetrate it.




By the way, what is the armour thickness of SANDF dry land only Ratel, Rooikat, and Badger in millimeters ?

Cuban girls were using 12.7mm guns to eat up your Ratels while your men were screaming for help, getting killed by teenage Cuban girls in Angola war


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BMP-2 only has limited protection against 20mm on certain parts of the front of the vehical. It does not have the same protection on the sides or rear.

BMP-2 is also not land-mine protected.

BMP has also performed terribly in every single war it has ever fought in.


And now the killer blow: Nigeria does not have any BMP-2's. I find it to be hilarious that you have to invent new weapons to have a chance against us.

EVarn:
mumu!.its an ADVANCED training aircraft,that also doubles as a light attack jet.the dornier jet supports:
*AIM-9 sidewinder air-to-air missiles
*Matra Magic II{series} air-to-air missiles
*AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile etc
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pray tell me,how is that an ordinary trainer jet?.clown.

You dont have any of those weapons systems

Patchesagain:


are you implying that you are a PMC?

Pathetic excuse, show us you are an american

I am a PMC research support staff. I can only show you my uniform and gun, but my US Passport data page ? No !
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mzilakazi:

Since then were there ever been scheduled maintenance? How sure are we if the schedule was kept up to date

and how do you know that the NAF have never kept up scheduled maintanance?,if our aircraft werent maintained,would there have being any left to fight boko haram?.clownish character.

mzilakazi:
Still, that leaves a lot to be desired. What is wrong with the one that you already have? Oh! I forgot that the chief said the only operational jets cannot discharge PGM and that would be nothing other than Alpha jets.

why does the SAAF want to rearm when they already have 6 gripens{operational},and a few half-clogged hawks?.you claim that almost all your aircrafts are operational,then why do you feel the need to rearm the SAAF?,you arent even fighting a war.

mzilakazi:
I have already attached a source to prove that.

a source that didnt claim that our F7 are grounded.contrary to your misguided beliefs.

Patchesagain:


When and where does the NAF and PAF train together?

SAAF pilots of today were trained by veterans of the Border War, skills and knowledge is passed from pilot to pilot. That is how training works.

The last war between India and Pakistan that involved air to air combat was in 1971.

So if we dont have experience, they definitly dont.

But mainly: When and where does NAF and PAF train together?

The photos and official reports have been repeatedly posted on this forum over 20 times and nobody argues with it. Why should we keep going back to recycle same old story? NAF trains air to air combat with PAF and we fire missiles on our F-7 while SAAF Gripen pilots have NEVER fired a single Gripen missile since you got the jets.

Indian air force was a 100 times more deadly opponent than Cuban teenage pilots that defeated South Africa in the air war.

PAF chief of staff vowed to transfer ALL Pakistani air combat skills and experience to Nigerian pilots, we are better in air combat now 2014 than the South African Gripen crew that has ZERO experience of firing Gripen missiles
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patches689:

You dont have any of those weapons systems

i said the dornier jet can support them.not that we have the weapon system{yet anyway}

patches689:


BMP-2 only has limited protection against 20mm on certain parts of the front of the vehical. It does not have the same protection on the sides or rear.

BMP-2 is also not land-mine protected.

BMP has also performed terribly in every single war it has ever fought in.


And now the killer blow: Nigeria does not have any BMP-2's. I find it to be hilarious that you have to invent new weapons to have a chance against us.

Only the gun mantel (where there is 33mm of armour) can stop a 20mm round. Though real live has shown 12.7mm fire can get through and knock out the engien. The ratel is immune to 12.7mm fire from the front.

The other big difreince is what happens when the BMP's armour fails. If the round is incendury or exsplosive, then every body dies. Fuel and ammo is kept in the troop compartment. Comparied to the ratel where one was ambushed at least 4 RPG teams and a bunch of rifel grenads. The ratel was lost but there where both crew and passengers who where able to escape. A BMP 1,2 or 3 will just blow up. Hence people ride on top and not inside them. All so the BMP 2 only carries 7 people in very cramped condistions with no where to keep stores or supplies.

Patchesagain:


Both Augusta crashes were due to mechanical failures

Rooivalk was flying low and at high speed and before nape of the earth equipment was fully operational

Meanwhile, Nigeria lost 3 aircraft in a month

If you have excuses for SAAF crashes, we too have excuses for NAF crashes. Equation balanced.

Anyway, NAF flies 100 times more than SAAF, you have ZERO jet combat sortie in 20 years !
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Patchesagain:


Ok, so you agree that South Africa then has 1000 Ratel ZT-3's?

Nope, SANDF official army website does not say so
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