EVarn:
we fired one yesterday,into zuma's scheming head.what do you think the NAF are using to roast boko haram like freshly grilled sushi,in the north east?,dynamites?

You are using free fall bombs. The evidence is the civilian property that your military destroyed as a result of unguided munition. None of your fighters can discharge precision guided munitions including missiles.

Patchesagain:



F-15 is not designed to fight the Su-35. F22 Raptor is designed to do that, and it will do it with ease. Learn the difference between Multi-Role and Air-superiority fighters.

PAK-FA is not operational, and will only become operational into service in 2016... F-22 has been in service since 2005. Meaning Russia is 11 years behind America in that department. And the F-35 is another step ahead, that will eat the PAK-FA on autopilot and even the F-35 will be introduced before the PAK-FA... meaning that America is TWO platforms ahead of Russia.

T-90SM is nothing more than an upgraded T-72. Its obsolete rubbish and the Russians are allready trying to replace it with with the T-95 (which was cancelled because it was obsolete before they finished designing it) and now with the Armata. Abrams will destroy it with ease. The Dorchester/Chobham armor with the new DU layer is practically in-penetrable.

Plus the new M1A3 will be introduced around the same time as the new Armata, meaning the Americans will maintain their lead in tank design.

Russian missiles match american missiles because americans dont focus on missiles. Russia knows that they will NEVER be able to match American Air or Naval power, so they focus on missiles because that is the only way that they will stand a chance.

Again, you know nothing.

The new Abrams are totally different and can be classified as new tanks.

mzilakazi:

NAF is buying jets because F7s are freezing in a deep freezer. Simple!!

there was once a thread filled with dumb saffers,but the young man,mzilakazi,was the dumbest of them all [-an excerpt from "chatting with fools" by evarn].

mzilakazi:



You are using free fall bombs. The evidence is the civilian property that your military as a result of unguided munition. None of your fighters can discharge precision guided munitions including missiles.

havent we trashed this already.i've lectured you so many times that our F7 jets can discharge a barrage of missiles enough to pulverize south african into a cornflakes republic.

patches689:


So how is Nuclear Reactors and a Spy satellite the same as IFV's?

Ever heard of the saying "comparing apples and oranges"

Okay I agree with you that...

South African brain = cheap orange

Russian brain = expensive apple
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agaugust:


Nope, I drilled a hole in @Andrewza's s.kull and uploaded facts to prove NAF has two Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR with photos and videos of the radars and interior ISTAR equipment clearly seen on this forum for many days repeatedly as I rubbed it with hot pepper into your bleeding eyes

ATR-42 has 330km radar range and I have repeated it's source over 20 times here in one year, so now you post your own source to prove me wrong....and I dare you !!!!
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Name the radar and provide a source that proves it is installed on your ATR-42.

agaugust:


BMP-2 is 33mm frontal armour, google is free for your use, stop sending me on foolish errands, use your own time to google stuff
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Ingwe can penetrate 1000m+.

patches689:


No one has bothered to write an artical entitled "a list of equipment the Nigerian military does not have"

EMPTY POST AS USUAL

[quote author=patches689 post=28369279][/quote] Didn't this bloke claim to be an economist

EVarn:
havent we trashed this already.i've lectured you so many times that our F7 jets can discharge a barrage of missiles enough to pulverize south african into a cornflakes republic.

That's not what the Chief (general) sees. The person with the right information.

agaugust:


LOL ! You go read pages of this thread from last week, your countrymen were boasting here that South Africa is begging Russia to sell spy satellite to you and build new nuclear reactors for you.... I though Soweto lazy parasites living permanently on ANC government cash donations are more intelligent than Russian scientists in Moscow!
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We buying a spy sat with our money and the nuke deal is a offer, france, UK, US and others where offerd the deal to. No purches had been made.

Again no begging was done at any time.

patches689:


You said the whole vehical was protected against 23mm (never heard of a 23mm cannon before )



This is false, frontial arc only offers PARTIAL protection against 20mm

Welded steel armor of the BMP-2 provides all-round protection against 12.7-mm rounds. Front arc of this IFV offers partial protection against 20-mm ammunition.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp2.htm

Yeah, maybe you should take some of your own advice and use that free google thing

ZSU23mm. It a russian AAA

They tried to make the BMP2 proofed all round to 12.7mm. But actual combat has shown this to be somthing a AFV weighting only 14 tones can not do. I have the brocher of the russian arms company that sells the BMP2. They only list it has protected against small arms. Same has our casspir and mamba.

The BMP2 is a down grade frome a ratel

Ratel 20 has better protecstion and moblitie BMP2 has better fire power. The ratel 90 is better in every way.

EVarn:
havent we trashed this already.i've lectured you so many times that our F7 jets can discharge a barrage of missiles enough to pulverize south african into a cornflakes republic.

2 drop tanks and 2 AAMs and the F7 could not even reach waterkloof if it took off in cape town.

The F7 has no guided weapons for ground attack, limmted air attack.

agaugust:


European air forces are desperate to buy it
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Witch airforce. Some x USSR state that has no airforce?

mzilakazi:

That's not what the Chief (general) sees. The person with the right information.

pfft,your precious gripens would hit the ground in flaming heaps when our F7s start discharging the vengeance of armageddon on your half-grounded airforce fleet.

andrewza:

2 drop tanks and 2 AAMs and the F7 could not even reach waterkloof if it took off in cape town.
The F7 has no guided weapons for ground attack, limmted air attack.

catfish.a few F7s would r@pe your fleet into the ground,and bottle the juices.

EVarn:
catfish.a few F7s would r@pe your fleet into the ground,and bottle the juices.

More like 2 gripens would be enough to fend you off. The F7 is not that good.

andrewza:

More like 2 gripens would be enough to fend you off.The F7 is not that good.

i know what i know.if you still believe in falacies,then so be it.

patches689:


What source?

LOL, your own favorite Scorpion jet purchase interest source quoting NAF Air Marshal Ojuawo, he said ATR-42 is doing ISTAR operations. Your favorite source, LOL.

agaugust:


LOL, your own favorite Scorpion jet purchase interest source quoting NAF Air Marshal Ojuawo, he said ATR-42 is doing ISTAR operations. Your favorite source, LOL.

Does not mean it is a ISTAR platform.

patches689:


Most recent sources from your own airforce say the F-7 is obsolete and mainly grounded

Back again to your favorite Scorpion jet source....he did not say the obsolete aircraft is the F-7 jet, if the whole of NAF is obsolete, what of ATR-42 and Mi-35M Hind E ? So like most air forces of this world NAF has some obsolete aircraft, same way SAAF flies around in obsolete 66 year old Dakota MPA aircraft falling down from the sky like Pigeon birds sh.ot down and k.illing SAAF officers abd pilots like chicken.

F-7 is a 3.5th Generation jet with 4th Generation radar and 4th Generation missiles, not being able to fire guided ground attack PGMs does not make it obsolete same way the modern year 2012 JF-17 Thunder Block I 4th Generation not having air to air refuelling capability does not make it obsolete.

NAF F-7NI is primarily an interceptor and secondarily a ground attacker, it is good at its air to air guided missile combat role within visual range and stuck in the same WVR combat capability as SAAF Gripen is equally stuck with its similar short range missile dilema.

We are both inferior together, get it ?
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AugustineAgain:


Every army's official website is final authority and superior to any private website information.

Each army knows it's own true capability, you can live and feed on wrong data if you wish. Your problem, not mine.

No, the final comes from the QEM(original equipment manufacture).

andrewza:


Does not mean it is a ISTAR platform.

It is ISR by manufacturer spec data sheet. It can lock on target and relay its full location data to an attacker platform.

"Target acquisition is the detection, identification, and location of a target in sufficient detail to permit the effective employment of lethal and non-lethal means. The term is used for a broad area of applications" Source -Wiki

An ISR that can lock on target and keep relaying it's location accurately is doing Target Acquisition and its ISR becomes ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 is an ISTAR aircraft along with NAF Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR aircraft, the ATR-42 is multi-role ISR, ISTAR, and MPA all combined
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EVarn:
NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT TO BUY COOKING STOVES WORTH N9.2bn ! ! ! !
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the nigerian government has confirmed the plan to purchase cooking stoves worth over N9.2 billion for nigerian women in support of the "clean cooking programme".
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http://www.punchng.com/news/fg-to-buy-cooking-stoves-with-n9-2bn/
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WTF

ActivateKruger:


WTF

??surprised??

patches689:


The SANDF website says we only have Ratel ZT-3's... its the only Ratel listed.

You said that Army websites had the final say in the matter.

So do we or do we not have 1000 Ratel ZT-3's?

Simple question. Answer it.

@THIZA has posted photos of ordinary gun armed Ratels with NO missiles, most of the photos in the world prove that SANDF has mostly gun armed Ratels, we see that from free internet photos. SANDF website simply used the best photo to represent other Ratels, and to close the case finally, your own respected South African source Defenceweb says you have ONLY about 50 Ratel ZT-3, even a fool will laugh at you, or you want to tell us defenceweb posted fraudulent numbers of Ratel ZT-3 ?

Butt Hurt

MikeCZAR:
No, the final comes from the QEM(original equipment manufacture).

Like DENEL manufactured Mokopa missile which SANDF refused to order because the missile is useless. LOL
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agaugust:


@THIZA has posted photos of ordinary gun armed Ratels with NO missiles, most of the photos in the world prove that SANDF has mostly gun armed Ratels, we see that from free internet photos. SANDF website simply used the best photo to represent other Ratels, and to close the case finally, your own respected South African source Defenceweb says you have ONLY about 50 Ratel ZT-3, even a fool will laugh at you, or you want to tell us defenceweb posted fraudulent numbers of Ratel ZT-3 ?

Butt Hurt




Like DENEL manufactured Mokopa missile which SANDF refused to order because the missile is useless. LOL
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Does not mean any thing really. We no the true numzbers and rang and so do you. You just don't want to accept the truth

Sa is still planing on buying Mokopa

agaugust:


It is ISR by manufacturer spec data sheet. It can lock on target and relay its full location data to an attacker platform.

"Target acquisition is the detection, identification, and location of a target in sufficient detail to permit the effective employment of lethal and non-lethal means. The term is used for a broad area of applications" Source -Wiki

An ISR that can lock on target and keep relaying it's location accurately is doing Target Acquisition and its ISR becomes ISTAR.

NAF ATR-42 is an ISTAR aircraft along with NAF Beechcraft 350ER ISTAR aircraft, the ATR-42 is multi-role ISR, ISTAR, and MPA all combined
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the atr has no means to proscute targets are provide guidance for a third part they can look but not touch

ActivateKruger:


WTF

I wonder what happened to "NIGERIAN DON'T LIKE/TAKE HANDOUTS"? :/

patches689:


[CITATION FUCKING NEEDED]

HERE YOU ARE, FVCKING MA.D MAN !

"On 18 May 2014, Swiss voters rejected a government plan to buy 22 Saab Gripen fighters for 3.1 billion francs (US$3.5 billion) to replace 54 aging F-5 Tigers of the Swiss Air Force. In response, Textron Airland president Bill Anderson offered the Scorpion to fill the Swiss Air Force's needs. He claimed it was cheaper than the Gripen and performed 90 percent of required tasks like airspace surveillance and intelligence. Though Anderson suggested the deal, no official offer for Switzerland to buy the Scorpion has been made.[36]

In July 2014, the Scorpion made its first public appearance at the Farnborough International Airshow.[18]

Preliminary discussion have been held with the militaries of Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines, Indonesia, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, with Malaysia and Brunei seen as the most likely customers. In November 2014, sources confirmed that the United Arab Emirates had held discussions with Textron." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion

patches689:


Nope completely different airframe

Same way, MiG-21 and F-7....different name, different manufacturer, different generation, different wings, different radar, different avionics, different ECM, different engine, different missiles, different combat foes when you meet them in the air...

patches689:


SAAF flew 18 000 hours last year

how many did NAF fly?

NAF is not counting hours to boast, we now count combat sorties, if you count hours, NAF pilots have more hours than NATO pilots today, we are flying every hour combat, logistics, ISTAR, etc missions.

I cannot fond the total sorties for NAF 2014 as the report is deep somewhere on this thread among many hundreds of comments.

However, I will post for one single NAF operation called Zaman Lafiya that had NAF flying over a thousand sorties in a just very few months around May 2014 :

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"The Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Adesola Amosu, who made the observation yesterday at the opening of the NAF May 2014 operations seminar in Uyo, Akwa Ibom State, said since the commencement of ‘Operation Zaman Lafia,’ to contain Boko Haram in the North Eastern part of the country, well over 1,148 missions have been conducted in the prosecution of the air effort.
“These include over 644 ground attack/close air support missions, more than 332 for reconnaissance/surveillance as well as over 172 for airlift and troop rotation. This sustained high tempo of operations is unprecedented in NAF and indeed, worthy of commendation,” he said."


http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=65414

PHOTO : NIGERIAN & PAKISTANI AIR FORCES JOINT COMBAT TRAINING [/size]