patches689:


The manufacturer lists their max range as 220km

The one in Italian service has a different max range listed of 330km

Until you prove that yours is the same as the Italian one, yours is a standard model with the standard 220km range radar

Why won't you post your uniform and gun? Mr elite MBA accountant who now does "research" for a PMC

You happily agreed with the second source that there is an Italian ATR-42 'Version' with radar range 330km.

Then you demanded proof that Nigeria and Italy have same radar.

I proved it to you point blank shot with indisputable source from NAF.

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/08/nimasa-airforce-partnership-records-successes-air-coastal-surveillance/


Next time, don't mess around with a PMC research staff....or else ya gonna get badly hurt.

patches689:


No one cares about Nigerian propaganda and misinformation.

Word of the manufacturer is final

[size=16pt]Word of the user Nigerian air force is same as user Italian Guardia Costiera, they both got ATR-42 radar with 330km range.

Your own 220km radar range will be for whoever you want to export that 'version' to.

I warned you about your deliberate fraud, but you refused to take my warning, now you have embarrassed all South Africans here again today....Shame on you all

Learn your lesson Soweto man, fraud and deceit does not pay !

I have F.ini.shed you again @Patches !!!

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patches689:


JF-17 is inferior in every way

And what conditions do you speak of?

You get what you pay for

no it isn't

so south african is too poor to afford a grippen with full capabilities? is that it?

ChukwuCantDie:
I'm going to assume ALL 40 JF-17's are block II...

It would be a mix of Block II and Block III.

agaugust:



You happily agreed with the second source that there is an Italian ATR-42 'Version' with radar range 330km.

Then you demanded proof that Nigeria and Italy have same radar.

I proved it to you point blank shot with indisputable source from NAF.

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/08/nimasa-airforce-partnership-records-successes-air-coastal-surveillance/


Next time, don't mess around with a PMC research staff....or else ya gonna get badly hurt.





[size=16pt]Word of the user Nigerian air force is same as user Italian Guardia Costiera, they both got ATR-42 radar with 330km range.

Your own 220km radar range will be for whoever you want to export that 'version' to.

I warned you about your deliberate fraud, but you refused to take my warning, now you have embarrassed all South Africans here again today....Shame on you all

Learn your lesson Soweto man, fraud and deceit does not pay !

I have F.ini.shed you again @Patches !!!

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160 nautical miles is not 330km, so your own source shoots a massive hole in your entire argument.

And again I say, show us where it says yours is similar to the Italian version. Not some gibberish from some unknown source. Hard and fast facts from reputable sources.

Until then, 220km. as specified by the manufacturer - the most reputable source there is.

This bores me.

Now, uniform and gun please, "Mr PMC researcher"

stillchris:


no it isn't

so south african is too poor to afford a grippen with full capabilities? is that it?

Yadda yadda yadda

agaugust:



I have F.ini.shed you again @Patches !!!

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Dont argue with me, argue with the people who sold it to you.

patches689:


160 nautical miles is not 330km, so your own source shoots a massive hole in your entire argument.

And again I say, show us where it says yours is similar to the Italian version. Not some gibberish from some unknown source. Hard and fast facts from reputable sources.

Until then, 220km.

This bores me.

Now, uniform and gun please, "Mr PMC researcher"

I won't post my gun and uniform for a fraudster like you, you are NOT worth it.


The source is NAF, 160 nautical miles is approx 300 km, not your own 220km, you cut off about 80km off the true range !

The Italian source 330km and NAF source 300km are so close you can tell it's same radar, it is proved that there is no different ATR-42 MP radars among users.

Enjoy this new humiliation @Patches

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agaugust:


I won't post my gun and uniform for a fraudster like you, you are NOT worth it.


The source is NAF, 160 nautical miles is approx 300 km, not your own 220km, you cut off about 80km off the true range !

The Italian source 330km and NAF source 300km are so close you can tell it's same radar, it is proved that there is no different ATR-42 MP radars among users.

Enjoy this new humiliation @Patches

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You dont operate the same version.

Italy operate the ATR-42MP

You operate the ATR-42 MP
http://tangentlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/3.-Homayoun-Masud-Janjua-ATOS-Airborne-Tatical-Observation-Surveillance-System.pdf

- note the difference in equipment as displayed by this document by the manufacturer.

Your source is unknown and untrustworthy.

And, it says 296km, not 330km. So it yet again proves you certainly do not have the same version as Italy. Its very simple, no guess work involved, its there in black and white.

Claim victory as much you want, I hope it makes you feel better.

But facts are facts.

220km. Deal with it.

Now, uniform and gun. You said all I had to do was post my sources. I have complied. So, hold up your end of the deal.

agaugust:


I won't post my gun and uniform for a fraudster like you, you are NOT worth it.


The source is NAF, 160 nautical miles is approx 300 km, not your own 220km, you cut off about 80km off the true range !

The Italian source 330km and NAF source 300km are so close you can tell it's same radar, it is proved that there is no different ATR-42 MP radars among users.

Enjoy this new humiliation @Patches

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I guess this also means by default that the G6 has 72km range.

As if the manufacturers word is not the final say, then a military website is definitly not the final say.

Fine, I will accept that.

Anyway, back to factual matters.

South Africa sells R23 Billion's worth of arms in just 3 months

The National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) approved arms exports worth R23 billion in the last three months, including armoured vehicles that were sent to Burkina Faso in the months before the October coup.

Among the sales:

- The SA Press Association reports an appendix to the NCACC report indicates the biggest single authorised export deal is for the supply of six large calibre artillery pieces, described as "gun/howitzer", to the United Arab Emirates (UAE), at a cost of R229.2 million.
- The second-largest is seven "turret, light combat", with the final export destination listed as Malaysia. The value is R2.6 million.
- The greatest quantity of authorised export armaments are bombs and rockets. A total of 16 762 high explosive, 2 376 illuminating and 9 504 smoke mortar bombs are marked down for the UAE.
-The Netherlands is listed to have received 26 000 mortar bombs.
-The UAE is also down for 10 lots of so-called imaging or counter-measure equipment, described as "system, airborne observation", valued at R90 million.
-A total of 50 armoured combat vehicles are authorised for export to various African countries, including Burkina Faso, Guinea, Niger and Senegal, as well as African Union operations in Somalia. The total value of these is about R124 million.

mzilakazi:


Thank you, but why JF-17 and not SU-30s as it was previously professed by @agaugust. JF-17s do not have much stealth capability.

enemy of progress.bad bellè.

patches689:



Nigerians are of unknown training and are no where near the best in the continent, confirmed by the fact that your men had to be trained from scratch

Russian training is inferior to Western Training

Your emotional nature has cost you an opportunity you will never again receive

salamander.i want you to compare the russian spietnaz with the US delta force in terms of training,and tell me what you get.

even premium times have to give respect when respect is deem to be given.https://www.nairaland.com/2027269/exclusive-inside-nigerian-militarys-renewed

agaugust:


Oh!! what a brand new 40 units of 4th generation aircraft.

JF-17 is one primitive aircraft which has been smuggled into 4th generation family. This is the truth!!! Anyway, I know that your pockets are not too deep to head down to Europe for much better fighter. In Pakistan you buy one, you get one free.

sirjerry:
even premium times have to give respect when respect is deem to be given.https://www.nairaland.com/2027269/exclusive-inside-nigerian-militarys-renewed

Sorry!! you are leaving the dirt behind.


http://www.citypress.co.za/news/boko-haram-kills-150-nigeria-raid/

EVarn:
more blue paper evidence.post pictures of the al-tariq glide bomb in action.

what action?

The Al Tariq has never been used in combat.

Though tee UAE's involvement in Iraq aand Libya might mean, they'll likely be used.

EVarn:
salamander.i want you to compare the russian spietnaz with the US delta force in terms of training,and tell me what you get.

Evan, the US is the world military power.

patches689:


Because the JF-17 is cheap

That is all, its a sub-par air-frame with sub-par capabilities and sub-par armament and - like everything the Chinese touch - absolutely terrible performance, literally dog-disguising performance.

There is a reason people call it the Junk Fighter-17

The engine is the worst.

Similar to the one on the Super Mirage.

agaugust:


Shock for South Africans!!!

Nope, it was just a shock from failing to acquire SU-30s stealth fighter.

Henry120:


Why not the JF-17?

Stealth is over-rated. We've always looked at the Two.

"40 planes, what's not to like?".

LOL

MikeCZAR:
what action?

The Al Tariq has never been used in combat.

Though tee UAE's involvement in Iraq aand Libya might mean, they'll likely be used.

this is just another way of saying that you dont have them.okay,that apart,what of the A~Darter SRAAM?

EVarn:
this is just another way of saying that you dont have them.okay,that apart,what of the A~Darter SRAAM?

I'll post a picture of the Hawk LIFT with Umbani and multiple ones of the Gripen with A-Darter SRAAM.

mzilakazi:



Evan, the US is the world military power.

NB:does the US being the world military power make it invincible?,to my observation,russia has the best trained military in the world{especially their special force},the same way the UK has the best trained navy

EVarn:
salamander.i want you to compare the russian spietnaz with the US delta force in terms of training,and tell me what you get.

Did you know South African special forces faced Russian SF in Angola?

MikeCZAR:
I'll post a picture of the Hawk LIFT with Umbani and multiple ones of the Gripen with A-Darter SRAAM.

hehehehe....mike "ebola" czar the seminarian!

MikeCZAR:
I'll post a picture of the Hawk LIFT with Umbani and multiple ones of the Gripen with A-Darter SRAAM.

hehehehe,mike "ebola" czar the seminarian!

EVarn:
NB:does the US being the world military power make it invincible?,to my observation,russia has the best trained military in the world{especially their special force},the same way the UK has the best trained navy

The USA has the best navy. The Indian navy can challenge and even defeat the R navy.

Quality of the Russian military is in numbers. "Quantity has a certain quality".

EVarn:
hehehehe,mike "ebola" czar the seminarian!

Yes, you'll get images.

EVarn:
salamander.i want you to compare the russian spietnaz with the US delta force in terms of training,and tell me what you get.

133 dead hostages during the Moscow Hostage Crisis
334 dead hostages during the Belsan School Hostage

Yeah, Spetsnaz sure are impressive

Also, which Spetsnaz? GRU? FSB? Alfa? Vympel? MVD? Vega? OMON? ODON? OMSN?

Its pretty apparent you dont know what you are talking about

MikeCZAR:
Did you know South African special forces faced Russian SF in Angola?

*gasps dramatically*,oh my gosh!,sugar!,i never knew you faced the russian spietnaz in angola and survived the ordeal!.you forget love,that the russian soldiers came all the way from over the seas and oceans to test new guns on your 'army'.pray tell me,wherever did you encounter the spietnaz?

patches689:

133 dead hostages during the Moscow Hostage Crisis
334 dead hostages during the Belsan School Hostage
Yeah, Spetsnaz sure are impressive
Also, which Spetsnaz?
Its pretty apparent you dont know what you are talking about

and you have forgotten how many defeats your crush{america} has encountered from 1900 till now?.you are confusing yourself man.

EVarn:
and you have forgotten how many defeats your crush{america} has encountered from 1900 till now?.you are confusing yourself man.

Not many where their SF have failed so spectacularly - infact, none where they have lost a combined total of over 400 hostages.

And, actually, the US has not lost a war in the last century.

Woops. Guess you didnt think that through.

Answer my second question, which Spetnaz?