andrewza:


We have had 3 frigates at sea in short span of each other. Right now we have 2 that can go to sea with a 3rd in Durban in the final stages of her refit.

A109 are not grounded. There is one doing rescue work in Mozambique.

Why does Nigeria buy new gear. BH only steals it.

Your A109's are grounded, all 26 of them. Defenceweb article i pasted a few weeks back proves so.

You have only 1. Again prove posted, i'm not going to repost them because of you.

Thiza:
HELP SOUTH AFRICA.....FORMER RECCES TO NIGERIAN ASSISTANCE

Citation needed from military or political sources.

Dream on dreamer, your South Africa imported American special forces to fight ordinary Rhino Poachers....where were your old men recces to save you in Kruger park? Save your homeland first before you dream about other countries
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denisfidha:
Jeez, You guys never stop; the owner of this thread should change the topic to "SADF vs NA"

if all of you were Generals in the army, and both SA and 9ja had nuclear capability, this thread would have been really quiet, cause non of you would b existing by now since you are always on each others throat!!1 (Just thinking)

you meant SANDF Vs Nigeria Armed Forces...

But again We are guys... We fight in this thread and laff in the other...

mzilakazi:


Same as you will never know the weapons that SANDF use. However, your story is just a hoax to scare Boko Haram. Drop one PGM and Boko will believe you

South Africa does not hide weapons , you photograph and advertise all you have, even the Mokopa missile you don't have is published for public information. Only Nigeria hides weapons, NAF has drones with PGMs and yet was saying that they don't have PGM, now after the truth has leaked out, they admit they have PGM.

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/military-deploys-drones-battle-boko-haram/
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Henry120:


For what it's worth, you weren't missed.

Denel owns drones doesn't equate to the SANDF fielding them, or been able to afford them.

In the Ukraine, their Defence manufacturers export state of the art IFV, Tanks, LAV's, while Ukrainian troops ride in pick-up trucks and "back yard/amateur welded buses".

Do you know why this happens?........... it is because, just like the SANDF, the Ukrainian government is broke, and cannot afford to properly equip the Ukrainian military.


The Fact a defence company makes something, doesn't equate to your military fielding them.

then why was my name mentioned. all so I am now a officer not a chef? Amazing since I am neither.

The Seeker 2 has spent more years being flown by denel for the SA government than was flown by SAAF.

Does the ukrian defence company make enough to keep all there units fully stocked. Ukrian has thousands of stored IFV and Tanks that are still rather modern yet are not used. They sit in massive storge yards rusting away.
http://ukrainetrek.com/blog/army/kharkov-tank-repair-plant/
So your point is what.

A few pages ago you where bragging about some none excited mutually defence pac with ukriane, now they a broke ass poor nastio? You know you buying there old shit.

SA broke? we spend more money than Nigeria on every thing, we have a smaller population to, so who is broke?

mzilakazi:


SA has four frigates in service. None of SAN frigate has ever been decommissioned. Three of our frigates are currently undergoing maintenance and that does not translate into assuming that they are not in service. They still have more than 30 years left to serve the SAN.

Meanwhile, Nigeria has no single frigate that is operable.


Weapons and military hardwares are only listed as "not in service" when grounded, decommissioned, or removed, dummy.

SAN has only ONE frigate alive, the others are dead fish tanks
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andrewza:
Hey Nigerians. You chiness boat is here. No missiels

Sea trial video proved it test fired missiles, currently not armed with missiles but proved it can be armed if need for missiles arises. We don't need missiles to arrest pirates. NN has shifted plans to smaller missile armed boats coming from China as stop gap measures
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agaugust:


Sea trial video proved it test fired missiles, currently not armed with missiles but proved it can be armed if need for missiles arises. We don't need missiles to arrest pirates. NN has shifted plans to smaller missile armed boats coming from China as stop gap measures
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you stuck them where?

agaugust:


SAN has only ONE frigate alive, the others are dead fish tanks
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just because your poor does not mean we poor

andrewza:


just because your poor does not mean we poor

In truth, you're poorer.

andrewza:


then why was my name mentioned. all so I am now a officer not a chef? Amazing since I am neither.

The Seeker 2 has spent more years being flown by denel for the SA government than was flown by SAAF.

Does the ukrian defence company make enough to keep all there units fully stocked. Ukrian has thousands of stored IFV and Tanks that are still rather modern yet are not used. They sit in massive storge yards rusting away.
http://ukrainetrek.com/blog/army/kharkov-tank-repair-plant/
So your point is what.

A few pages ago you where bragging about some none excited mutually defence pac with ukriane, now they a broke ass poor nastio? You know you buying there old shit.

SA broke? we spend more money than Nigeria on every thing, we have a smaller population to, so who is broke?

Let me repeat, you weren't missed. You name was mentioned only in references.

Yes Nigeria has a pact with them. We seen that pact come into in the supply of BTR4E, MI-35, T-72AV and T-84 tank deliveries, despite Ukraine also been involved in ATO.

No, SANDF doesn't and have never spent more than Nigeria, we have consistently said this over the years.

SANDF Fairy tale defence review in a "nutshell".


There does not appear to be any real urgency regarding the Defence Review and its need to progress through the Parliamentary process enabling at least a start to be made on reversing the downward spiral of the South African military.

The latest example of tardiness can be found in the programme of the Joint Standing Committee on Defence for the first part of the 2015 Parliamentary work year.

The Parliamentary Programme Framework provides for a committee period between January 27 and February 11 for Parliamentary committees, such as defence, to meet and conduct oversight visits.

In essence it boils down to the Framework making time available for the various Parliamentary committees to work.

“It means 10 days, spanning 80 hours, of meetings could have been scheduled for the Joint Standing Committee on Defence to consider aspects of the Defence Review, by agreement the committee’s top priority. Sadly, not a single meeting has been scheduled for the committee period,” said David Maynier, opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) party shadow defence and military veterans minister.
READ MORE


The Defence Review was completed at the request of then Defence Minister, Lindiwe Sisulu, by Roelf Meyer and his team for tabling in Parliament late in 2012. A change of Minister ensured this did not happen and when current Minister, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, eventually tabled the document in Parliament last July, its title was changed to reflect it as the 2014 Defence Review and not the 2012 Defence Review.

Among others, the Review stated the SANDF was “in a critical state of decline, characterised by force imbalance between capabilities; block obsolescence and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems; a disproportionate tooth-to-tail ratio; the inability to meet current standing defence commitments and the lack of critical mobility”.

Taking another excerpt from the Review (“even with an immediate intervention it could take at least five years to arrest the decline and another five to develop a limited and sustainable defence capability”) to illustrate the need to get on with the job as far as turning the SANDF around Maynier points out “there is an element of urgency”.

“Every day wasted talking about the Defence Review, rather the implementing it, accelerates the decline of the SANDF.”

He is not happy about the manner in which the Joint Standing Committee intends to deal with the Review.

“Its current rubberstamp programmes envisage dealing with the 344 page document, based on 435 stakeholder meetings and 76 public submissions at a cost of nearly R11 million to the taxpayer in three meetings. These meetings are set to last 10.5 hours and will take place between February 20 and March 5.”

He has proposed an alternative of 18 meetings including briefings on military preparedness, downsizing and rightsizing, acquisition priorities and affordability of Review proposals.

“In the end it is a disgrace that the SANDF is being held hostage by lazy and disinterested MPs serving on the Joint Standing Committee on Defence,” Maynier said this week.

Henry120:
SANDF Fairy tale defence review in a "nutshell".


There does not appear to be any real urgency regarding the Defence Review and its need to progress through the Parliamentary process enabling at least a start to be made on reversing the downward spiral of the South African military.

The latest example of tardiness can be found in the programme of the Joint Standing Committee on Defence for the first part of the 2015 Parliamentary work year.

The Parliamentary Programme Framework provides for a committee period between January 27 and February 11 for Parliamentary committees, such as defence, to meet and conduct oversight visits.

In essence it boils down to the Framework making time available for the various Parliamentary committees to work.

“It means 10 days, spanning 80 hours, of meetings could have been scheduled for the Joint Standing Committee on Defence to consider aspects of the Defence Review, by agreement the committee’s top priority. Sadly, not a single meeting has been scheduled for the committee period,” said David Maynier, opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) party shadow defence and military veterans minister.
READ MORE


The Defence Review was completed at the request of then Defence Minister, Lindiwe Sisulu, by Roelf Meyer and his team for tabling in Parliament late in 2012. A change of Minister ensured this did not happen and when current Minister, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, eventually tabled the document in Parliament last July, its title was changed to reflect it as the 2014 Defence Review and not the 2012 Defence Review.

Among others, the Review stated the SANDF was “in a critical state of decline, characterised by force imbalance between capabilities; block obsolescence and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems; a disproportionate tooth-to-tail ratio; the inability to meet current standing defence commitments and the lack of critical mobility”.

Taking another excerpt from the Review (“even with an immediate intervention it could take at least five years to arrest the decline and another five to develop a limited and sustainable defence capability”) to illustrate the need to get on with the job as far as turning the SANDF around Maynier points out “there is an element of urgency”.

“Every day wasted talking about the Defence Review, rather the implementing it, accelerates the decline of the SANDF.”

He is not happy about the manner in which the Joint Standing Committee intends to deal with the Review.

“Its current rubberstamp programmes envisage dealing with the 344 page document, based on 435 stakeholder meetings and 76 public submissions at a cost of nearly R11 million to the taxpayer in three meetings. These meetings are set to last 10.5 hours and will take place between February 20 and March 5.”

He has proposed an alternative of 18 meetings including briefings on military preparedness, downsizing and rightsizing, acquisition priorities and affordability of Review proposals.

“In the end it is a disgrace that the SANDF is being held hostage by lazy and disinterested MPs serving on the Joint Standing Committee on Defence,” Maynier said this week.

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/Politics/Defence-committee-denies-being-lazy-20150128


Cape Town - Parliament's joint standing committee on defence on Wednesday denied it was "lazy" in dealing with the Defence Review. Committee co-chair Malusi Motimele said it was mischievous for committee member and DA MPDavid Maynier to criticise their work.Maynier accused the committee on Wednesday of only scheduling one Defence Review meeting in the last six months and holding the review "hostage".

He criticised it for not scheduling any meetings in the so-called "committee period" up to 11 February.Maynier felt the Defence Review had serious implications for the future of the defence force and should thus be dealt with urgently."The committee is aware of the urgency required for the revitalisation of the country's defence forces," Motimele said in a statement.Since the review was tabled in Parliament in July, the committee had met to consider the policy three times, he added."This is despite the fact that the committee was only established in October 2014.

"He said the committee held a three-day workshop to deal with the review, one he alleged Maynier did not attend.The committee said it was awaiting public comment on the review and would deal with submissions until next Saturday.Motimele said the committee was scheduled to meet on 20 February for public hearings."The committee is processing the Defence Review within the necessary framework and will do so with the necessary urgency."

The Defence Review was compiled by a committee of experts who scrutinised the SA National Defence Force.It found a number of shortcomings that had led to a steady decline in operations.

mzilakazi:



There is nothing jealousy from faulty products. First it was Israel which took you for granted and China followed. You are always taken for a ride and I will advise DENEL to offload all of their faulty products in Nigeria for an easy catch.

South Africa is a garbage factory where all kinds of thrash gets manufactured. Your AMSCOR made robot cannon turned SANDF anti-aircraft gun on your own soldiers at home and killed them in training, nobody could control the gun until all its 35mm shells were fired on SANDF soldiers that were operating the gun, thus killing and maiming your own army with your own product at home. See where Chinese are better than you? Your own guns turn against SANDF and spray them with automatic fire , nation of garbage!!!
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DieVluit:


How does that change the fact that the Israelis sold you faulty drones?

How does that change the fact that AMSCOR sold your army faulty cannon that turned around and killed SANDF soldiers that were operating it?
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agaugust:


South Africa is a garbage factory where all kinds of thrash gets manufactured. Your AMSCOR made robot cannon turned SANDF anti-aircraft gun on your own soldiers at home and killed them in training, nobody could control the gun until all its 35mm shells were fired on SANDF soldiers that were operating the gun, thus killing and maiming your own army with your own product at home. See where Chinese are better than you? Your own guns turn against SANDF and spray them with automatic fire , nation of garbage!!!
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Swiss-German produced Oerlikon 35mm anti aircraft gun. NOT manufactured in SA......thanks

agaugust:


That means evil blood flows in veins, Shaka Zulu murdered many innocent South Africans as a sign of mourning his late old aged mother, he insisted other innocent Southies must die just because his old mother died naturally....so he made many other families widows and fatherless ! What a babaric evil nation, no wonder you have the highest murder rate in Africa....inherited Shaka Zulu blood of massacre by shedding innocent blood , demonic South Africa !
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hahahahaha

andrewza:


Can you build 1 million igirigi APC, can you build 1 million trucks, hell can you build 1 million engines

Denel has seeker drones and is using them right now

1 million is figurative, you should know that.

Means we can build as many Igirigi as we can get engines to buy, Ford will give us 50,000 engines if we pay. DICON can produce 100,000 mortars if we pay.

All am saying us equipment you don't have in arsenal is never counted as military might, world military power ranking sites don't count DENEL products unless SANDF has them in service after purchase. DENEL won't give you free weapons, they ran into heavy debt and almost collapsed around 2012 untill government used cash to bail them out.

No free DENEL drones for you, SANDF does NOT have any Seeker drone in service and NO Mokopa missile that the drone is designed to carry.

You have neither the drone nor it's missile, Nigerian air force has combat drones armed with missiles so we are superior to you in military technology, your SANDF is a rag tag photographers club
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agaugust:


How does that change the fact that AMSCOR sold your army faulty cannon that turned around and killed SANDF soldiers that were operating it?
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"That" being what? You aren't making sense

andrewza:


they did in angola

Show us photo of DENEL civilian staff fighting as soldiers in Angola !
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agaugust:


1 million is figurative, you should know that.

Means we can build as many Igirigi as we can get engines to buy, Ford will give us 50,000 engines if we pay. DICON can produce 100,000 mortars if we pay.

All am saying us equipment you don't have in arsenal is never counted as military might, world military power ranking sites don't count DENEL products unless SANDF has them in service after purchase. DENEL won't give you free weapons, they ran into heavy debt and almost collapsed around 2012 untill government used cash to bail them out.

No free DENEL drones for you, SANDF does NOT have any Seeker drone in service and NO Mokopa missile that the drone is designed to carry.

You have neither the drone nor it's missile, Nigerian air force has combat drones armed with missiles so we are superior to you in military technology, your SANDF is a rag tag photographers club
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Pay with what money. Your APCs are based on commercial chasies you don't make and use engines you do not make. Made from metal you do not refine.

Many of the systems I am talking about do not need to be made. They built. In 1991 Saatchi gave denel all there seeker drones and denel has flown them ever since. The cheetahs are all so with denel. There are even talks about bringing back some of our over 1000 Eland armourd cars back to active serves. We have over 2000 buffel APCs and countless other gear. These weapons are not listed in our orbit of battle but they still there.

agaugust:


Show us photo of DENEL civilian staff fighting as soldiers in Angola !
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Read the book "first in last out"

Henry120:


Actually sir, it is 13 years, not 11 years. Please don't make this mistake again.


Another failure, Kobani!!.

After over 1500 air strikes on the tiny town on the border with turkey, there are still ISIS fighters in the city engaging the YPGg, whether it is outskirts or not, it doesn't matter.

One would have expected the all powerful and stupendous americans to have completely obliterated the enemy a long time ago........ No, No............ 5 months on, they are still fighting in a small town.

Yet the same Yankees want to criticize Naija army....white hypocrites, physicians that failed to heal themselves
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saengine:


Swiss-German produced Oerlikon 35mm anti aircraft gun. NOT manufactured in SA......thanks

The Swiss made the gun manual and it has never killed it's owner or operator in world history, South Africa now manufactured an automatic system and fixed it on the gun, that AMSCOR product is a faulty junk piece and it turned the gun on it's owners, killing and maiming many SANDF soldiers....South African made junk system killed South African soldiers....deal with your bad product

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838
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DieVluit:


LOL, you have no choice but to be humble, right now. This is how a person speaks when they have been humbled.

With civil war, coups, attempted coups, military rule and insurgency, seems you didn't spend enough time ensuring that you are free...and peaceful.

this is how a dumb person talks.

Henry120:


It is an OPV. Let's talk about your single (1) frigate in service instead.

All 4 frigates are in service

They are simply undergoing overhaul and maintenance

And we have one more missile armed warship than you

Lel

Henry120:


I almost feel sorry for you.

SAN has 4 Frigates, correct. However, SAN can only afford to keep 1 Frigate at sea. In south-Africa, grounded is just the same thing as decommissioned. Look at your A109's, all grounded. They spent more time grounded than in the air.

"Why does South-Africa even bother with a military"?......... it's absolutely no use.

We just spent USD 20 million on overhauling a frigate - we can definitly afford to operate them

We are simply performing maintenance inline with international maritime standards (see germany for example)

And A109s are not grounded - if they were how would we send them on disaster releif operations in mozambique?

agaugust:


The American fool should first go and lecture American military that failed in Afghanistan after 11 years war against Taliban, the white-man's super power army has been defeated in Afghanistan, Taliban terrorists still control 50% of the nation and USA is withdrawing it's thosands of troops, thousands of armoured vehicles and hundreds of combat aircraft....Americans you go weep and cry over your own colossal military failure and leave the black people's Naija army alone, we are the pride of the black race worldwide.

Hey, let USA send Yankee white army to come to Nigerian military academy and learn how to recover your army vehicles back from the enemy when you lose them, Taliban rag tag terrorists are driving around Afghanistan in captured Obama Humvee vehicles till today, White House, go to Aso Rock for combat lectures !

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Who said afghanistan is a loss?

agaugust:


1 million is figurative, you should know that.

Means we can build as many Igirigi as we can get engines to buy, Ford will give us 50,000 engines if we pay. DICON can produce 100,000 mortars if we pay.

All am saying us equipment you don't have in arsenal is never counted as military might, world military power ranking sites don't count DENEL products unless SANDF has them in service after purchase. DENEL won't give you free weapons, they ran into heavy debt and almost collapsed around 2012 untill government used cash to bail them out.

No free DENEL drones for you, SANDF does NOT have any Seeker drone in service and NO Mokopa missile that the drone is designed to carry.

You have neither the drone nor it's missile, Nigerian air force has combat drones armed with missiles so we are superior to you in military technology, your SANDF is a rag tag photographers club
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Who said nigeria has armed drones??

American drones crash is pakistan all the time - can the pakistanis say that they have drones now?

And yes, Denel has them and operate them for the SANDF

If denel has it, we have it

agaugust:


How does that change the fact that AMSCOR sold your army faulty cannon that turned around and killed SANDF soldiers that were operating it?
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Did armscore make the cannon?

agaugust:


South Africa is a garbage factory where all kinds of thrash gets manufactured. Your AMSCOR made robot cannon turned SANDF anti-aircraft gun on your own soldiers at home and killed them in training, nobody could control the gun until all its 35mm shells were fired on SANDF soldiers that were operating the gun, thus killing and maiming your own army with your own product at home. See where Chinese are better than you? Your own guns turn against SANDF and spray them with automatic fire , nation of garbage!!!
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Equipment malfunctions from time to time no reason to say that everything we make is garbage

I challenge you to show us one thing you make that in any way compares to what we do

You yourself were salavating over Denel products on beegugugugs blog

You seem to love to contradict yourself

agaugust:


Show us photo of DENEL civilian staff fighting as soldiers in Angola !
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1. Why a photo? You cant read?

2. Who said anything about them fighting as soldiers?