Henry120:


You inflicted no significant losses on the enemy, as the enemy was able to take over the capital only a few hours after brushing aside your incompetent troops.

This is a fact.

Fomac and french forces had to be drafted in to reverse the gains made by seleka in the capital.

Exactly, your own comment alludes to this fact.

patches689:


So you are now saying that tanks float?

Btw, thats an IFV and not a T-72

And yes, in order to cross rivers, tanks will have to fully submerge if the water is deeper than the tank.

agaugust:


Heavy tanks with heavy armour get dumped into the ocean in amphibious landing and have to snorkel ashore from sea to land.

Those heavy M1A1 Abrams tanks in photo below are NOT amphibious tanks, they have huge snorkels at their backs.

You Southies should just accept defeat and stop baseless arguments, I have proved you wrong with photos and even @saengine has run away


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agaugust:


Heavy tanks with heavy armour get dumped into the ocean in amphibious landing and have to snorkel ashore from sea to land.

Those heavy M1A1 Abrams tanks in photo below are NOT amphibious tanks, they have huge snorkels at their backs.

You Southies should just accept defeat and stop baseless arguments, I have proved you wrong with photos and even @saengine has run away


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andrewza:



Many projects flop so the armata could join them. Look at the F22. It is a faluir as a weapons program. Build in to small a numbers to make a diffrence. The pCS flopped to due to being over priced OPVs the Stryker was made out to be the next gen of PAC but it is just a mowaag. So yes the Amata could flop like the USA Bradley and Amtrak replacement projects.

agaugust:


These photos are tanks NOT IFV....or else I will make this forum mock you for not knowing a tank from and IFV

Keep asking me if I am a military researcher....empty barrel
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andrewza:


So. That's not the point. You are shifting the goal post non stop.

saengine:


Main battle tanks do not do sea operations.

Henry120:


You inflicted no significant losses on the enemy, as the enemy was able to take over the capital only a few hours after brushing aside your incompetent troops.

This is a fact.

Fomac and french forces had to be drafted in to reverse the gains made by seleka in the capital.

Exactly, your own comment alludes to this fact.

agaugust:







That 8 meters boat is as big as a T-72 main battle tank.

So, a snorkelling T-72 tank will sink your Valour Frigate because your Soweto gunners are not good enough to hit target the size of a whole tank


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agaugust:


Nope, that is EXACTLY the point.....tanks do sea war operations, they ford or snorkel from ocean to beach land.



I have defeated 3 South Africans in one argument, please go home and lick y.our wounds
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agaugust:


Show us the sand these tanks are driving on ......you fvcking fool
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agaugust:


Nope, that is EXACTLY the point.....tanks do sea war operations, they ford or snorkel from ocean to beach land.



I have defeated 3 South Africans in one argument, please go home and lick y.our wounds
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patches689:


Over 400 dead is very significant.

A few hours? try 13 - and they only took the capital after they got us to agree to stop shooting them.


Our job was never to defend the capital.

Meanwhile, your men's job was to defend Nigeria, and they lost an area the size of Belgium and furthermore allowed the deaths of over 10 000 nigerians and turned another 1,6 million into beggars.

All this while INSIDE NIGERIA, with FULL SUPPORT

No comparison. You wish your men could fight like ours - proven by the fact that you hired us to win your war for you!!

Henry120:


We'll have to wait for Russia's Victory Day parade on the 9th of May to see the final Tank.

I'm sure you meant the Littoral combat ships (LCS), I don't quite understand the role those light patrol crafts. Like you said, they are a very expensive OPV. Same as the Stryker. However, I do not agree with the bradley.

The bradley has been a monumental success. You know in the Gulf war in kuwait, bradleys took out more Iraqi T-72 tanks than the Abrams M1A1........ they are an amazing IFV/AFV.

Henry120:


You did not inflict more than 50 dead Seleka, hence your plea for mercy from the French, your fleeing and Seleka taking over the capital only a few hours after engaging South-African troops. This is the sad fact.

In peace time (supposedly), your country men have managed to hack 32, 485 citizens to death. You South-Africans live as worse lives as the People in Syria.


The Nigerian Government hired Pilgrims security firm. Pilgrims is a Nigerian Security company. There is no proof to show that the Government hired South-Africans.

Provide evidence and stop snorting like the Pig you are.

Henry120:


You did not inflict more than 50 dead Seleka, hence your plea for mercy from the French, your fleeing and Seleka taking over the capital only a few hours after engaging South-African troops. This is the sad fact.

In peace time (supposedly), your country men have managed to hack 32, 485 citizens to death. You South-Africans live as worse lives as the People in Syria.


The Nigerian Government hired Pilgrims security firm. Pilgrims is a Nigerian Security company. There is no proof to show that the Government hired South-Africans.

Provide evidence and stop snorting like the Pig you are.

patches689:


A military researcher who cannot identify a ZBD2000 IFV

You mock yourself with your own posts

MikeCZAR:
The FOMAC battalion under a coward force commander kept calling the SA forces to come forward.

When fighting broke out they didn't offer restrictions as Seleka swept them aside until they started meeting resistance from FACA.

They able to take the city because no one was protecting it anymore.

patches689:


Seleka themselves say we killed over 400 of them.

A few hours? 13 is a few hours? 13 hours resistance is more than your people got out of your army before they allowed BH to take town after town.

Our job was never to hold the capital

According to the latest paper released by the Medical Research Council - who you constantly quote, the murder rate is 43
http://www.mrc.ac.za/crime/cvi_second_review_ch7.pdf

There are hundreds of sources stating clearly that south africans are present and are fighting for you.

Go do some research and expand your mind, instead of howling like the ape you are.

agaugust:


I told you to leave the military researcher issue or else I keep rubbing mud in your face on Easter Friday.

My photo is Type 63A Light Amphibious tanks.

You DO NOT know difference between tank and IFV....Soweto mumu, messed up Friday

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/type_63a.htm

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agaugust:


Heavy tanks with heavy armour get dumped into the ocean in amphibious landing and have to snorkel ashore from sea to land.

Those heavy M1A1 Abrams tanks in photo below are NOT amphibious tanks, they have huge snorkels at their backs.

You Southies should just accept defeat and stop baseless arguments, I have proved you wrong with photos and even @saengine has run away


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Henry120:


the Medical Research Council's statistics reveal that 89 murders are committed, on average, every day in South Africa.


32, 485 people are murdered every year in South-Africa.

the "easiest way for the police to reduce the crime rate is simply to do nothing but record only those crimes where a case number is absolutely mandatory ." Numerous experts are quoted as suspecting "serious under reporting"; "perhaps these figures are concealed for political reasons '; "the reason for this under reporting could be the desire to change the ongoing reputation of South Africa as the crime capital of the world."

patches689:


Remeber this is where it all started

A T-72 will snorkel out into the ocean and sink a valour class.

agaugust:


If a Valour frigate is in the battle space of an amphibious operation, yes, from 4km away near shore in the waters, a T-72 will sink a distant Valour frigate in the deep ocean, frigates do go 2 km to the shore, that is deep deep water !
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patches689:


First - that isnt a T-72
Second - that isnt a main battle tank
Third - This is your first pic of the Type 63A, all others you posted were of ZBD2000 IFV's

So, apart from completely changing your argument, and now contradicting yourself. You cannot even properly identify military vehicals?

agaugust:


Nope, my first 3 photos this morning included the Type 63 tank, and that is what I intend to post, google may bring random images on a single search, but I started this morning with photo of 5 Type 63 tanks with red flags flying on them, go back up page and see my first posts.

I have also shown Heavy Abrams tanks with snorkels dumped into the sea, and it is heavier than a T-72.

My point is proved, heavy tanks do battle at sea up to snorkel level, and if enemy warships appear, they will fire and sink it from 4 km far distance away.

PROVED !
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patches689:


Why would a frigate go 2km to the shore?

Especially if enemy units were present?

agaugust:


Nope, my first 3 photos this morning included the Type 63 tank, and that is what I intend to post, google may bring random images on a single search, but I started this morning with photo of 5 Type 63 tanks with red flags flying on them, go back up page and see my first posts.

I have also shown Heavy Abrams tanks with snorkels dumped into the sea, and it is heavier than a T-72.

My point is proved, heavy tanks do battle at sea up to snorkel level, and if enemy warships appear, they will fire and sink it from 4 km far distance away.

PROVED !
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patches689:


No - you said those were pictures of MBT's floating around in the ocean. They arent. They are IFV's and a light tank (IFV derivative)

agaugust:


Where else will a frigate go if not to where the enemy is ?

You think war is the sea jamboree in South Africa where Mr. Day's fishing boat is the enemy ?

Fool

A frigate from South African navy will engage the enemy warships if the enemy is landing on your shores. The enemy fleet has frigates, your frigate will go challenge them.

Pity that SAN Valour frigates cannot shoot straight, they get sunk by tanks
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saengine:


Lmao! "Dumped into the sea"

saengine:


Main battle tanks do not do sea operations.

patches689:


Why would the Valour class come within 2km of land or the enemy fleet?

It can engage with its main gun from 16-20km away and from 70km away with missiles.

Why would it come in close?