agaugust:


Go back to page 2099 of yesterday, everybody saw that post that wrecked Patrick Of Gauteng beyond repair.

The list of Roland's jet aircraft victims is there, and Gripen/Hawk jets will join the list if you dare Nigeria.

Crime does not pay, avoid manipulating the truth on this forum, because you don't know the length I can go to prove you are a fraud
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Just because it shot three or four jets does not make it effective. It has more disadvantages than advantages in 21st century.

The strongest point of Roland is when it is used during the day. When the gunner will only have to shut down the radar and instead use optical tracking system to manually track down the aircraft which they know its route and wait for its approach. However, such operation at night will prove very difficult since human eye view is only limited for day light and as well as the sights of Roland can only see during the day.

agaugust:


Is that the answer to my question? Are you siick ?

You said South Africa had the same radar as Roland some time ago, I said post the proof with a source, instead you are telling stories again, same old stories you have been repeating like a defeated retaard.

Show us proof of your claim that SANDF had the same Roland radar ...show us now !
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How old are you?

Why do you get so emotional?

Patchesagain:


You are right.

They dont have radar.

But they have link-ZA to feed them targetting data.

Umbani can be pre-programmed with targets and be launched independantly of targetting data.

Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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agaugust:


Envy is your problem.

Roland fired it's 8 missiles against 3 targets and sh.ot down all 3 targets at the same time.....world class performance.

See why I call you navy chef/cook ? You don't know how real war is fought, your SANDF has almost ZERO war experience in 20 years....no air defence missile commander will fire 3 missiles at 3 targets, he will fire at least double.....reason is the enemy jet pilot can use ECM or chaff and flares to defeat the first salvo of missiles, but the second salvo will score a hit. That is what a Roland operator is trained to do.....nobody in SANDF knows that because your country has NOTHING in the class of Roland today, South Africa has NO ground based radar guided air defence missile systems....Nigeria is your master today.

You are back as a navy cook to say anti-aircraft guns are better than anti-aircraft missiles.

So envious of Nigerian Roland you now say SANDF GDF gun is better in that war, show us where GDF gun, one GDF gun alone shot down a jet and 2 bombs at the same time....show us....

Envy is k.illing the navy cook of South Africa, let me rub my Roland photo in your ugly face again this early morning....
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It fired 8 missiles no mention of number of targets.

SAAF actually trains against radars. You know high end ones unlike yours.

Look at the Falklands war and see what had more kills.

Patchesagain:


How old are you?

Why do you get so emotional?

It's you Southies who are obsessed with Naija Roland, all of you cannot sleep safe at night...you have nightmares for Roland's sake
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agaugust:


Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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First, your ATR-42 does not have 330km radar. As has been shown before.

Second, yes its called the Gripen. NATO's favorit recon platform.

Third, Umbani can be preprogrammed to hit GPS co-ords.

andrewza:


It fired 8 missiles no mention of number of targets.

3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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agaugust:


3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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All it says is 8 missiles were fired.

only 3 hit.

37% hit rate.

These are the facts.

Pretend Mercenary.

agaugust:


Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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Link ZA is the data link yes, and it works hand in hand in sharing radar data and vital information in all systems of SANDF weapon platforms.

agaugust:


3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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Your Roland will never save you from the wrath of gripen jet.

Patchesagain:


First, your ATR-42 does not have 330km radar. As has been shown before.

Second, yes its called the Gripen. NATO's favorit recon platform.

Third, Umbani can be preprogrammed to hit GPS co-ords.

How does a Gripen identify a Roland when there are other tracked vehicles, T-72, MT-LB, Scorpion, Shilka AAA....at 6 km above sea level, your pilot sees nothing on ground due to distance and cloud cover....at 40 km stand-off range radar is picking all vehicles that look like tanks from city to city over a long distance....confusion....cannot identify a Roland among the whole lot.....GPS is useless, the Roland is a vehcile and is mobile....can change position randomly.....laser designator is useless because your soldier cannot enter Nigerian base or territory as infantry will slaughter h.im.

You see why air to ground attack jet pilots are forced to take risk and enter range of enemy air defences, NAF faced that challenge against Boko Haram....only ATR-42 Surveyor was able to solve most problems of target identification and yet it had to fly within SAM range, but only AAA was a threat.

I am just education you South Africans about how difficult air to ground attack war can be, and how useless very long range weapons can be in a war....100 km range bomb looking for target in a distant city....waste of time when you face an enemy like Nigeria.

PHOTO : NAF ATR-42 SURVEYOR ELINT...DOING GROUND SURVEY TARGET IDENTIFICATION FOR NIGERIAN FORCES IN WAR THEATRE
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Patchesagain:


All it says is 8 missiles were fired.

only 3 hit.

37% hit rate.

These are the facts.

Pretend Mercenary.

History says one Harrier jet was in the air and dropped two bombs.

SANDF fights NO WAR, so you guys don't know how real war is fought. The Roland operator was well trained, jet in the air and two bombs, if you fire 3 missiles and the pilot deploys chaff and flares, it can waste all 3 missiles. the Roland man fired 8 missiles to guarantee victory over any false targets released as ECM or chaff by the enemy jet pilot.

South Africa has NOTHING like a Roland system so you will never know standard air defence tactics unless Nigerians teach you.

Roland fired 8 missiles and destroyed ALL TARGETS AVAILABLE IN THE AIR.....100% kill rate....perfect
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agaugust:


How does a Gripen identify a Roland when there are other tracked vehicles, T-72, MT-LB, Scorpion, Shilka AAA....at 6 km above sea level, your pilot sees nothing on ground due to distance and cloud cover....at 40 km stand-off range radar is picking all vehicles that look like tanks from city to city over a long distance....confusion....cannot identify a Roland among the whole lot.....GPS is useless, the Roland is a vehcile and is mobile....can change position randomly.....laser designator is useless because your soldier cannot enter Nigerian base or territory as infantry will slaughter h.im.

You see why air to ground attack jet pilots are forced to take risk and enter range of enemy air defences, NAF faced that challenge against Boko Haram....only ATR-42 Surveyor was able to solve most problems of target identification and yet it had to fly within SAM range, but only AAA was a threat.

I am just education you South Africans about how difficult air to ground attack war can be, and how useless very long range weapons can be in a war....100 km range bomb looking for target in a distant city....waste of time when you face an enemy like Nigeria.

PHOTO : NAF ATR-42 SURVEYOR ELINT...DOING GROUND SURVEY TARGET IDENTIFICATION FOR NIGERIAN FORCES IN WAR THEATRE
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The gripen radar can even count cars on the road from 70km away. It will definitely see Roland from 120km away.




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A

agaugust:


Is that the answer to my question? Are you siick ?

You said South Africa had the same radar as Roland some time ago, I said post the proof with a source, instead you are telling stories again, same old stories you have been repeating like a defeated retaard.

Show us proof of your claim that SANDF had the same Roland radar ...show us now !
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Your grandpa Roland 2 has two radars.

The target acquisition or search radar: The Thompson-CSF D-band pulse doppler radar.

And the tracking or fire control radar control: Thompson-CSF J-band monopulse doppler radar.

The latter can only track one target and two missiles. SAAF retired them eons ago.

Come jungle dweller let's dance

FighterPilot:



The gripen radar can even count cars on the road. It will definitely see Roland from 120km away.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A

Error 1...

Gripen radar in ground operation mode for scan is 75 km and tracking is about 50 km.

Error 2....

Gripen radar will detect ALL vehicles on the 50 km road or space and will NEVER differentiate a Roland from other vehicles, radars show you dots and beep, ONLY a Tv camera can show you the what is a car or a bus.

I think we should leave this Roland issue alone before you Southies commit s.uicide today o !
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MikeCZAR:
Your grandpa Roland 2 has two radars.

The target acquisition or search radar: The Thompson-CSF D-band pulse doppler radar.

And the tracking or fire control radar control: Thompson-CSF J-band monopulse doppler radar.

The latter can only track one target and two missiles. SAAF retired them eons ago.

Come jungle dweller let's dance

Citation and web-link sources NEEDED please post it...Show us SANDF source that they have Roland radar Mumu....Fraudster
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agaugust:


3 targets were shot down means 3 targets were in the air, you need the historian to explain to that to you ?

Navy cook
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How do you know it was fired at only 3 targets. The harrier lost was solo and on a recce.

4 hairers where shot down one knocked out of action. 1 GDF got 3 kills and knocked out 1 Roland shot down one aircraft and shot 2 bombs from countless dropped.

agaugust:


Error 1...

Gripen radar in ground operation mode for scan is 75 km and tracking is about 50 km.

Error 2....

Gripen radar will detect ALL vehicles on the 50 km road or space and will NEVER differentiate a Roland from other vehicles, radars show you dots and beep, ONLY a Tv camera can show you the what is a car or a bus.

I think we should leave this Roland issue alone before you Southies commit s.uicide today o !
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You and your lies again. SAAF gripen use the latest radar system of gripen Jas 39 and you can clearly see that they say it can count ships from 70km away with an earlier version of radar. However, even at 50 it will see Roland and the hawk will automatically see the target since their data are linked and will send umbani and take it off. Alternatively, gripen attack with EW and flush Roland with free falling bombs.

Gripen radar can differentiate between ships, SAM and other systems.

agaugust:


Link-ZA is not a radar it's datalink, where does it get information ? Do you have anything like Nigerian ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor with 330 km radar range to search the ground ?
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Shared information. What a Gripen can see others will see.

Maritime search radar.

Nothing scary or special. The radar on the SAAF Super Lynx helicopters has a range of 350km+.

agaugust:


Citation and web-link sources NEEDED please post it...Show us SANDF source that they have Roland radar Mumu....Fraudster
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vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/70/cactus-crotale-sam

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
In March 1988, Cuban intelligence operatives evaluated the system as deployed by the South African Defence Force during the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. They claimed it was ineffective against attack profiles of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 operated by the Angolan Air Force, criticising the design as "shoddy", "outdated", and "useless".[8]

agaugust:


Citation and web-link sources NEEDED please post it...Show us SANDF source that they have Roland radar Mumu....Fraudster
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The SAAF Cauctus SAM used your flattened head as radar?

Come cave dweller don't shy into your dark hole let's dance

MikeCZAR:
Shared information. What a Gripen can see others will see.

Maritime search radar.

Nothing scary or special. The radar on the SAAF Super Lynx helicopters has a range of 350km+.

AT THE SAME TIME SIMULTANEOUSLY EVEN THE HAWKS WILL SEE.

Patchesagain:



2. You will be sleeping since you have no air-defence radar to detect us.

Nigeria has ground based NAF radars with 500 km range.

I posted that few months ago from SIPRI....same time I posted SANDF radars that I proved were purchased in the 1980s era of old.

We both have fixed land based radars to cover battle space. What do you think Nigerian TRACON means ?

Nigeria has many long range ground radars including the recent acquisition of 5 units of brand new year 2010 purchased ultra-modern British Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars with 500 km target detection range that are move-able by trucks to an FOB forward air base.

You think only South Africa has things? Olodo
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Agaust, the radar pulses/waves emitted by SAM system and other systems is not the same at all. The gripen avionics will tell the pilot that there is an Anti air system on the nearby and will warn him not to come any closer. All of their tracking are directed upwards.

That's why modern militaries do not use radar guided SAM to larger extent anymore.

agaugust:


Nigeria has ground based NAF radars with 500 km range.

I posted that few months ago from SIPRI....same time I posted SANDF radars that I proved were purchased in the 1980s era of old.

We both have fixed land based radars to cover battle space. What do you think Nigerian TRACON means ?

Olodo
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So how will that help you?

FighterPilot:


So how will that help you?

Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.

I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.

You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.

What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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agaugust:


Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.

I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.

You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.

What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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You mean fly out to get shot down? Those radars would all so be the first targets in any air war.

agaugust:

Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.
I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.
You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.
What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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Hahahahaha!!! I thought you could have mentioned anything of the fourth generation fighters. Your F7 will miss their way since their radar can track up to 50 kms. They cannot even challenge gripens on a dog fight. At more than 70 Km your SAM is already exposed and attacked with EW system. The hawks have already discharged the umbanis. At night umbani does not glitter, it is a smooth operator that will take out all your Rolands.

You only have 60 useless aircrafts.

MikeCZAR:
The SAAF Cauctus SAM used your flattened head as radar?

Come cave dweller don't shy into your dark hole let's dance

Sure, we are dancing below....Andrewza tried to rescue you and I will make him share your humble pie as I force-feed you both

andrewza:


vehicle is a Thomson-CSF pulse Doppler radar

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/70/cactus-crotale-sam

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotale_(missile)
In March 1988, Cuban intelligence operatives evaluated the system as deployed by the South African Defence Force during the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. They claimed it was ineffective against attack profiles of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 operated by the Angolan Air Force, criticising the design as "shoddy", "outdated", and "useless".[8]

Thank you for proving that Cuba captured South African air defence missile syatem and called it useless

It's Crotale or Cactus SAM used by SADF nad it is useless, well Nigeris does NOT use Cactus SAM....we use Roland. Sorry about y.our bad luck.

The Cactus in SADF was Thompson CFS radar ordered in 1964 ancient times....useless.

The Roland uses Siemens-Thompson CFS D and J radars of 1978.....not 1964 Thompson, notice the Siemens name and the D & J variant codes on the Roland radar.

You see why I call you a navy cook? You cannot even differentiate between old and modern radar versions that are 14 years different in tech.
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agaugust:


Means from 500 km range away, NAF will detect all Gripen and Hawk jets with our Thales RSM 970 S Monopulse Mode S Secondary Radars, then F-7 jets and Alpha jets will be intercepting SAAF at 200 km away even before you can dream of dropping any Umbani bomb.

I have told you guys that fighting a country like Nigeria that has 60 jet fighters, is different from fighting Lesotho and Swaziland.

You won't even get a chance to face Nigerian army Roland.....NAF will meet your jets air to air before you approach Nigerian air space, our new THALES Radars will be seeing the inside of your own air space as soon as your jets take off from ground.

What do you think Nigeria is? Burundi republic?
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You mean civilian radars?

Which Cessna pilots can evade by flying low?

[size=20] SA Air force is superior than Nigerian Air force, like it or not. I know that this does not sound nice, but it is a reality. [/size]

agaugust:


Sure, we are dancing below....Andrewza tried to rescue you and I will make him share your humble pie as I force-feed you both



Thank you for proving that Cuba captured South African air defence missile syatem and called it useless

It's Crotale or Cactus SAM used by SADF nad it is useless, well Nigeris does NOT use Cactus SAM....we use Roland. Sorry about y.our bad luck.

The Cactus in SADF was Thompson CFS radar ordered in 1964 ancient times....useless.

The Roland uses Siemens-Thompson CFS D and J radars of 1978.....not 1964 Thompson, notice the Siemens name and the D & J variant codes on the Roland radar.

You see why I call you a navy cook? You cannot even differentiate between old and modern radar versions that are 14 years different in tech.
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Did you read the links. It all so used J band radars.

None where captured, they where never deployed out side nambia.