Henry120:

I fully endorse this message.

probably because you are a tw.at

agaugust:


[size=14pt]South African recces are mostly white-men or Angolan blacks NOT South African blacks.

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32-Battalion, of which Colonel Jan Breytenbach was the founding commander, became the most controversial unit in the South African Army because of the secrecy surrounding it. Its story is virtually the story of the Angolan/Namibian war, because its involvement in it was greater than any other South African unit.The battalion primarily consisted of black troops and NCOs originating from virtually every tribe in Angola. They were led by white South African officers and NCOs ."

http://flecha.co.uk/

South African recces unit or force is DEAD....DISBANDED IN MARCH 26TH 1993

You have no war experienced special forces black men any more, unless Angolan's are now the top fighters in South African army.

The approximately 120 former white-men recces were mostly flushed out by Zulu/Xhosa ANC for apartheid reasons, the approximately 20 men left in SANDF today are too old to fight high tempo long endurance war.

95% of today's SANDF have zero combat experience. FACT !!!

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PHOTO : THE FAMOUS SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES ARE NOW DISBANDED, DEAD, TOO OLD, RETIRED, FLUSHED OUT, OR ESCAPED OVERSEAS

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are you being serious? Are you aware that the Recces are a whole fvcking BRIGADE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Special_Forces

Recces were never disbanded... you are talking about Koevoet (intergrated into the police) or 32Bn (intergrated into the rest of the Army)

But, you dont care because you are obsessed with lying

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Pic related... a "disbanded" unit [/size]

agaugust:


[size=14pt]South African recces are mostly white-men or Angolan blacks NOT South African blacks.

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32-Battalion, of which Colonel Jan Breytenbach was the founding commander, became the most controversial unit in the South African Army because of the secrecy surrounding it. Its story is virtually the story of the Angolan/Namibian war, because its involvement in it was greater than any other South African unit.The battalion primarily consisted of black troops and NCOs originating from virtually every tribe in Angola. They were led by white South African officers and NCOs ."

http://flecha.co.uk/

South African recces unit or force is DEAD....DISBANDED IN MARCH 26TH 1993

You have no war experienced special forces black men any more, unless Angolan's are now the top fighters in South African army.

The approximately 120 former white-men recces were mostly flushed out by Zulu/Xhosa ANC for apartheid reasons, the approximately 20 men left in SANDF today are too old to fight high tempo long endurance war.

95% of today's SANDF have zero combat experience. FACT !!!

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PHOTO 1 : THE FAMOUS SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES ARE NOW DISBANDED, DEAD, TOO OLD, RETIRED, FLUSHED OUT, OR ESCAPED OVERSEAS

PHOTO 2 : CURRENT NIGERIAN ARMY YOUNG BLOOD, EXPERIENCED AND BATTLE TESTED SPECIAL FORCES IN WAR ZONE

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You don't know what you're talking about. 1. Recces after 94 started only recruiting South Africans. 2. Foreigners in the Specials forces were Rhodesian selous scouts. 3.32 battalion aren't special but elite light infantry,after disbanding they were incorporated into other SADF units. General Meiring is on record saying those units will benefit from 32 Battalion men cause they were highly experienced in COIN and Conventional ops. 3. Endurance? The SA special forces fought for more than 13 hours in CAR alongside the parabats without taking any casualties. 4. Knowledge and training remains the same.

agaugust:


[size=14pt]South African recces are mostly white-men or Angolan blacks NOT South African blacks.

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32-Battalion, of which Colonel Jan Breytenbach was the founding commander, became the most controversial unit in the South African Army because of the secrecy surrounding it. Its story is virtually the story of the Angolan/Namibian war, because its involvement in it was greater than any other South African unit.The battalion primarily consisted of black troops and NCOs originating from virtually every tribe in Angola. They were led by white South African officers and NCOs ."

http://flecha.co.uk/

South African recces unit or force is DEAD....DISBANDED IN MARCH 26TH 1993

You have no war experienced special forces black men any more, unless Angolan's are now the top fighters in South African army.

The approximately 120 former white-men recces were mostly flushed out by Zulu/Xhosa ANC for apartheid reasons, the approximately 20 men left in SANDF today are too old to fight high tempo long endurance war.

95% of today's SANDF have zero combat experience. FACT !!!

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PHOTO 1 : THE FAMOUS SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES ARE NOW DISBANDED, DEAD, TOO OLD, RETIRED, FLUSHED OUT, OR ESCAPED OVERSEAS

PHOTO 2 : CURRENT NIGERIAN ARMY YOUNG BLOOD, EXPERIENCED AND BATTLE TESTED SPECIAL FORCES IN WAR ZONE

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[size=16pt] Nigerian military knows nothing about special operations and is only now recently they started launching their special forces unit. They have the most inexperienced special forces in Africa. Go and do your research properly and you will find that today as in 13/july/2014, SA Recces comprise mostly black South African young people who are vigorously trained. It is not easy to pass their selections, only one in hundred soldiers succeed. I also want to correct you that there is no any SA Recces who are disbanded, it is only the name that was changed, same as SADF. Moegoe!!![/size]

patches689:

probably because you are a tw.at

And you're a lunatic.

FighterPilot:

[size=16pt] Nigerian military knows nothing about special operations and is only now recently they started launching their special forces unit. They have the most inexperienced special forces in Africa. Go and do your research properly and you will find that today as in 13/july/2014, SA Recces comprise mostly black South African young people who are vigorously trained. It is not easy to pass their selections, only one in hundred soldiers succeed. I also want to correct you that there is no any SA Recces who are disbanded, it is only the name that was changed, same as SADF. Moegoe!!![/size]

Yawns!!!................. Is it bedtime already, I feel so sleepy.

Henry120:

The A-129 is an Agile, very manoeuvrable helicopter. Range is infinite with Air-Air refuelling capabilities. Range isn't a factor. Neither do I believe the range of the rooivalk. It is clearly doctored.

There is also the issue of Price. No one would pay 40 million dollars for a helicopter, not even the americans. It is not just feasible.


There is also the question of reliance, the A-129 is a more reliable combat tested helicopter, the availability of spares and it's long history of service in the italian Airforce. It has seen action in Angola all through to Iraq and afghanistan.

The T-129 is designed to incorporate turkish technology, it carries a wonderful array of weapons and built to operate in a hot, mountainous and humid climate of southern turkey, especially in the kurdistan region where turkey is engaged in military operations.


Politically, the italians would definitely support the turks in their bid to join the E-U with this cooperation.

I won't respond to some rubbish in your post like price,aerial refuelling etc. But here's the thing technology transfer was part of the deal,Turkey wanted to produce some of the helicopters at home. Incorporating their technology. The reason why you've that $40m price. Agile? The deal would've paved the way for the Rooivalk lite which could've been smaller scout type attack helicopter similar to the A129 and Tiger and that could've meant a more agile variant. When it comes to reliance and availability. The Rooivalk is above most helicopters the mission in the DRC is further proving this. Also you can refuel and rearm it almost everywhere. Meaning during engagements the bird prey will be over watching the troops and giving support at any given time. Unlike some helicopters in its class which will have to go back to base to refuel,checks and rearm.

MikeZA: I won't respond to some rubbish in your post like price,aerial refuelling etc. But here's the thing technology transfer was part of the deal,Turkey wanted to produce some of the helicopters at home. Incorporating their technology. The reason why you've that $40m price. Agile? The deal would've paved the way for the Rooivalk lite which could've been smaller scout type attack helicopter similar to the A129 and Tiger and that could've meant a more agile variant. When it comes to reliance and availability. The Rooivalk is above most helicopters the mission in the DRC is further proving this. Also you can refuel and rearm it almost everywhere. Meaning during engagements the bird prey will be over watching the troops and giving support at any given time. Unlike some helicopters in its class which will have to go back to base to refuel,checks and rearm.

Do military helicopters not carry out mid Air refuelling? Or you're to blind and haven't seen black-hawks carry out mid air refuelling?

MikeZA: I won't respond to some rubbish in your post like price,aerial refuelling etc. But here's the thing technology transfer was part of the deal,Turkey wanted to produce some of the helicopters at home. Incorporating their technology. The reason why you've that $40m price. Agile? The deal would've paved the way for the Rooivalk lite which could've been smaller scout type attack helicopter similar to the A129 and Tiger and that could've meant a more agile variant. When it comes to reliance and availability. The Rooivalk is above most helicopters the mission in the DRC is further proving this. Also you can refuel and rearm it almost everywhere. Meaning during engagements the bird prey will be over watching the troops and giving support at any given time. Unlike some helicopters in its class which will have to go back to base to refuel,checks and rearm.

Your entire post,

You've said a lot, as always, have passed out no point. Just a lot of gibberish.

The US military has developed a self-guided .50 caliber bullet, claimed to be the first of its kind.

The Pentagon has announced that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa), recently conducted its first successful test of the bullets, which were developed as part of the Extreme Accuracy Tasked Ordnance (Exacto) programme.


In a video released of a test, a bullet is fired away from its intended target, but curves back around and finds its mark.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pentagon-develops-guided-bullets-that-move-mid-air-1456483?

Henry120:

Do military helicopters not carry out mid Air refuelling? Or you're to blind and haven't seen black-hawks carry out mid air refuelling?

We talking about attack helicopters here.

MikeZA: We talking about attack helicopters here.

Does that capability exist?

dragon2: The US military has developed a self-guided .50 caliber bullet, claimed to be the first of its kind.

The Pentagon has announced that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa), recently conducted its first successful test of the bullets, which were developed as part of the Extreme Accuracy Tasked Ordnance (Exacto) programme.


In a video released of a test, a bullet is fired away from its intended target, but curves back around and finds its mark.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pentagon-develops-guided-bullets-that-move-mid-air-1456483?

I watched the video today, and I was dumb-funded. Simply amazing. They've brought "G.I joe weaponry" to reality.


You can run, but can't hide.

Henry120:

Does that capability exist?

Nope. They carry external fuel tanks. An aerial refuelling probe would disturb the chin mounted cannon and FLIR.

MikeZA: Nope. They carry external fuel tanks. An aerial refuelling probe would disturb the chin mounted cannon and FLIR.

I don't know if you don't know what you're talking about or just feel like lying to yourself. the fact is, with mid-air refuelling for both rotary and fixed wing air assets, the range of both helicopters and planes/ fighter jets is limitless if countries posses the capability.

MikeZA:

You don't know what you're talking about. Recces after 94 started only recruiting South Africans.

You just proved me to be very correct, thanks. From 1994 the newly formed SANDF special forces were fresh in-experienced recruits that replaced the old apartheid SADF white-man led and 'borrowed' Angolan citizens war experienced special forces/recces.


Disbanded
" .As one of the results of the negotiations between the National Party and the ANC, the 32 Battalion was disbanded in March 1993 and its members were retired to the town of Pomfret, South Africa.

The guys who did so much dying and fighting for this country were just sort of disbanded on the spur of the moment. It just isn't right. I think it is terrible. I think they were betrayed, quite honestly.

—Colonel Jan Breytenbach
Many members of the unit later helped to found or joined private military companies such as Executive Outcomes and Sandline International, which ironically fought on the side of the Angolan government against UNITA ."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)


From May 1994 till today July 2014, SANDF special forces have NOT fought any real war, Parabats fought Seleka and ran away, there is ZERO record of any real war history for the current SANDF special forces of today.

South African special forces are called a "Brigade" in quotation marks because they are not really up to a brigade in numbers today.

Even the disbanded recces 32 battalion was just about 600 men, the whole South African military involved in Bush war was just 4,000 regular army. The recces were not even up to half that number. About 540 of the 600 man 32 Battalion were Angolan citizens fighting for South Africa on UNITA's side of Jonas Savimbi.


Many of the white-men officers are even Europeans and American 'Mercenaries' who traveled to join the war and help their white brothers in South African special forces.

" .There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre ."

The truth has leaked out today.... http://flecha.co.uk/

South African famous recces are dead and gone to the grave like old roger in my nursery rhymes

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[size=14pt]The most battle experienced special forces alive and active in modern battle today....

.....are those of Nigeria ![/size]

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agaugust:


You just proved me to be very correct, thanks. From 1994 the newly formed SANDF special forces were fresh in-experienced recruits that replaced the old apartheid SADF white-man led and 'borrowed' Angolan citizens war experienced special forces/recces.


Disbanded
" .As one of the results of the negotiations between the National Party and the ANC, the 32 Battalion was disbanded in March 1993 and its members were retired to the town of Pomfret, South Africa.

The guys who did so much dying and fighting for this country were just sort of disbanded on the spur of the moment. It just isn't right. I think it is terrible. I think they were betrayed, quite honestly.

—Colonel Jan Breytenbach
Many members of the unit later helped to found or joined private military companies such as Executive Outcomes and Sandline International, which ironically fought on the side of the Angolan government against UNITA ."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)


From May 1994 till today July 2014, SANDF special forces have NOT fought any real war, Parabats fought Seleka and ran away, there is ZERO record of any real war history for the current SANDF special forces of today.

South African special forces are called a "Brigade" in quotation marks because they are not really up to a brigade in numbers today.

Even the disbanded recces 32 battalion was just about 600 men, the whole South African military involved in Bush war was just 4,000 regular army. The recces were not even up to half that number. About 540 of the 600 man 32 Battalion were Angolan citizens fighting for South Africa on UNITA's side of Jonas Savimbi.


Many of the white-men officers are even Europeans and American 'Mercenaries' who traveled to join the war and help their white brothers in South African special forces.

" .There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre ."

The truth has leaked out today.... http://flecha.co.uk/

South African famous recces are dead and gone to the grave like old roger in my nursery rhymes

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After 94 the SANDF didn't recruit nor integrate any foreign SF personnel. General Meiring clearly said in that video,that units absorbing soldiers from 32 battalion will benefit from their experience. Again you confuse SA special forces with the 32 battalion. You're pathetic.

Henry120:

I don't know if you don't know what you're talking about or just feel like lying to yourself. the fact is, with mid-air refuelling for both rotary and fixed wing air assets, the range of both helicopters and planes/ fighter jets is limitless if countries posses the capability.

Stop acting stupi'd @Henry120. Have you ever seen the Apache,Cobra,Rooivalk,Tiger,Mi-24/35,MI-28,Z-10 or other helicopters in that class air refuelling?. Air refuelling requires an aircraft to have an aerial refuelling probe. Again range isn't limitless with aerial refuelling.

32 Battalion isn't and was never part of the SA special forces brigade. Only Rhodesian(now Zimbabwe) white operators,part of the Selous Scouts were absorbed into the SA special forces brigade. After the government of Ian Smith fell. Augubugubu doesn't know what he is talking about.

agaugust:


You just proved me to be very correct, thanks. From 1994 the newly formed SANDF special forces were fresh in-experienced recruits that replaced the old apartheid SADF white-man led and 'borrowed' Angolan citizens war experienced special forces/recces.


Disbanded
" .As one of the results of the negotiations between the National Party and the ANC, the 32 Battalion was disbanded in March 1993 and its members were retired to the town of Pomfret, South Africa.

The guys who did so much dying and fighting for this country were just sort of disbanded on the spur of the moment. It just isn't right. I think it is terrible. I think they were betrayed, quite honestly.

—Colonel Jan Breytenbach
Many members of the unit later helped to found or joined private military companies such as Executive Outcomes and Sandline International, which ironically fought on the side of the Angolan government against UNITA ."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)


From May 1994 till today July 2014, SANDF special forces have NOT fought any real war, Parabats fought Seleka and ran away, there is ZERO record of any real war history for the current SANDF special forces of today.

South African special forces are called a "Brigade" in quotation marks because they are not really up to a brigade in numbers today.

Even the disbanded recces 32 battalion was just about 600 men, the whole South African military involved in Bush war was just 4,000 regular army. The recces were not even up to half that number. About 540 of the 600 man 32 Battalion were Angolan citizens fighting for South Africa on UNITA's side of Jonas Savimbi.


Many of the white-men officers are even Europeans and American 'Mercenaries' who traveled to join the war and help their white brothers in South African special forces.

" .There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre ."

The truth has leaked out today.... http://flecha.co.uk/

South African famous recces are dead and gone to the grave like old roger in my nursery rhymes

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Regarding the Portuguese,Americans,British and Australians they came from Rhodesia after the Ian Smith government fell,the SADF offered short contracts. South Africans(special forces and the special task force) too where in Rhodesia.

agaugust:

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[size=14pt]The most battle experienced special forces alive and active in modern battle today....

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How are you able to copy photos from nairaland?

agaugust:

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[size=14pt]The most battle experienced special forces alive and active in modern battle today....

.....are those of Nigeria ![/size]

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ill equipped and trained. Not any close to SA and Zim SF. Your specials forces=SA army pathfinders.

Henry120:

How are you able to copy photos from nairaland?

Just click it or tap and hold if you're on your ipad. It'll give you options from copy,save etc

MikeZA: Stop acting stupi'd . Air refuelling requires an aircraft to have an aerial refuelling probe. .

An air refuelling probe can be attached to any platform.

You've killed your own Argument.

Air refuelling means limitless range for any platform with an Air refuelling capability. As long as the Air tanker can get there, the platform would refuel.

MikeZA: Just click it or tap and hold if you're on your ipad. It'll give you options from copy,save etc

It(image) doesn't show on the laptop.

Henry120:

An air refuelling probe can be attached to any platform.

You've killed your own Argument.

Air refuelling means limitless range for any platform with an Air refuelling capability. As long as the Air tanker can get there, the platform would refuel.

Attack helicopters have ammo bins were probes are normally mounted in transport helicopters henry. Also air refuelling doesn't make range of air platforms limitless. If that was possible the South African air force could've just flown some of its Gripens from Sweden to South Africa. Engines would fail along the way from heat.

MikeZA: Attack helicopters have ammo bins were probes are normally mounted in transport helicopters henry. Also air refuelling doesn't make range of air platforms limitless. If that was possible the South African air force could've just flown some of its Gripens from Sweden to South Africa. Engines would fail along the way from heat.

There are multiple Black-hawks which carry AGMs and still have refuelling probes. Check out colombian army Black-hawks.

Hypothetically, it means range can be limitless, even if it isn't done.

Henry120:

How are you able to copy photos from nairaland?

Very simple bros. All those @siriusblack and @fyniline photos wey dey stubborn me I dey copy dem if I like the pic.

1. Reduce the nairaland window to half size by clicking 'restore down' button on the top right hand corner, so you can see both the window that has the photo and your computer desktop background at the same time, as both windows now share your laptop screen.

2. Put cursor on the photo, press down to pick it, then drag and drop it on to your desktop area. It will work.

3. You may then click that 'restore down' button again to 'maximize' and re-enlarge the nairaland window back to full size on screen.

MikeZA: 32 Battalion isn't and was never part of the SA special forces brigade. Only Rhodesian(now Zimbabwe) white operators,part of the Selous Scouts were absorbed into the SA special forces brigade. After the government of Ian Smith fell. Augubugubu doesn't know what he is talking about.

32 Battalion had recce wing, and part of the recces of South Africa. You don't know your own country's history. LOL !

"32 Battalion was expanded to 6 infantry companies, a recce wing, and a support company consisting of 81 mm mortar, anti-tank and machine gun sections." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)

South African special forces from 1975 to 1993 were the same ones nicknamed the Recces. Those are the ONLY experienced special forces in South Africa and they are 99% dead, disbanded, retired, flush down the toilet by Zulu/Xhosa ANC blackmen, or escaped overseas to avoid revenge atta.cks by blacks after apartheid ended. Do I have to teach you your own history?

The name Recces was cancelled by ANC Mandela and co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Special_Forces

SANDF special forces of today have ZERO war experience, please don't hate your weak soldiers, accept them, they are all yours

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agaugust:

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[size=14pt]The most battle experienced special forces alive and active in modern battle today....

.....are those of Nigeria ![/size]

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[size=16pt] No where in the books of history will you ever read of a 5 year old Nigerian special forces who can't even rescue more than 200 young virgins from the wrath and everyday r.ape of Boko Haram. An operation which was more than perfect for them to exercute. [/size]

agaugust:

32 Battalion had recce wing, and part of the recces of South Africa. You don't know your own country's history. LOL !

"32 Battalion was expanded to 6 infantry companies, a recce wing, and a support company consisting of 81 mm mortar, anti-tank and machine gun sections." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32_Battalion_(South_Africa)

South African special forces from 1975 to 1993 were the same ones nicknamed the Recces. Those are the ONLY experienced special forces in South Africa and they are 99% dead, disbanded, retired, flush down the toilet by Zulu/Xhosa ANC blackmen, or escaped overseas to avoid revenge atta.cks by blacks after apartheid ended. Do I have to teach you your own history?

The name Recces was cancelled by ANC Mandela and co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Special_Forces

SANDF special forces of today have ZERO war experience, please don't hate your weak soldiers, accept them, they are all yours

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[size=16pt] Stop the bus!!! And save yourself some further embarassment from your ignorance.[/size]

Your mother when she gave birth to you was really confused, that's why I don't blame you. You are as confused as she was. 32 Batallion was never Special force unit of South Africa. It consited mostly of foreign recruited forces of Angola and does not translate into the core SA Recce team of SADF as it was known at the time.

[size=16pt] Members of SA special forces were recently deployed to both CAR and DRC with zero casualties. One member of the recces you claimed not to have any combat experience made the longest sniper kill which took down to the annuls of history with Denel's NTW gun. Hope that is enough to have demostrated their capability than the rag tag special forces of Nigeria who are no match to Shekau's Boko boys. [/size]