What do engineers do in this country again?
When a road of 3kilometers we contact so called expatriates from China to come and mess it up.

There is so much MONEY for Nigerian Engineers to grab, all they need to do is to show us the productivity of their theoretical knowledge: Produce Matches, construct roads, bridges, fabricate machines and like magic all the money and foreign exchange we waste to very annoyingly small countries to import technicians would flow into the pockets of our engineers but if they remain text book engineers with specialist in failure like ARSENE WENGER just creating thread on Nairaland front page. An average Nigerian can work with the government, or set up a private practice or become a lecturer in the university or even take qualifying exams and be licensed to practice in the most complex and exquisite of systems and countries..... The difference is productivity and adding value to your people and your locality.

TemiGod:
*STUPIDITY OF OUR TIME THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED*


*Medicine and pharmacy students are collecting around #95000 or above during NYSC while Engineering students are collecting the same money as that of other faculties whose courses are run for four years. What is the benefits an Engineering students stand to get from his five years spell on campus with extremely difficult courses he took most of which are mass failure courses, the rate at which cannot be found in other faculties? That is what I called a faulty educational policy. The machines and tools used by both Pharmacist and medical doctors were designed by the engineers which means without the engineers the field of medicine and pharmacy cannot thrive. No Country's development is .measured by the work of medical doctor and pharmacist per se but by their production power which is strictly engineering dependent. That explain why Nigeria and other African countries are lagging behind in technological development. No country developed by treating her engineers like the way Nigeria treats theirs.*

*After taking MTH 101, 102, 104, 201 and 202, EEE 201, 202, MEE 203, 204, 205 and 206 which are all mass failure courses because of their application in science and technology of which no courses in every other faculties (medicine and pharmacy excluded) can be compared with them, the government still deem it fit to pay me #19800 that he paid political science students, economics, education students, Law students, English students, dramatic art students, accounting students and other non-technology students. An ordinary non technology students of tertiary institution has never failed any course throughout his time on campus except the extremely dull ones who cannot solve simple calculations and memorise simple theories. Continuation of such policy will never yield a positive development am afraid.*

*China developed by absolving into their economy their fresh Engineering graduates through giving them series of projects right from their time on campus to which they would find solutions to the problems (in project form) and that would in turn becomes their field of expertise they would dwell on with the government constructing an industry to that effect. That's how they developed.*

*Any country that neglect her engineering students will never taste true development. We are going to fight the useless policy until something is being done. This mediocrity has to stop.*

*Am advocating for a policy change. Engineering and Technology students deserves special treatment as there is no true development without engineers*

*By Salaam Taiwo Afeez*

please the mods should do the needful and move this to fp

bring up this topic when we see engineering students achievement. We still import matches so why will federal government take u serious

I am an engineer and I am embarrassed for the half baked, ignorant, entitled jokers our institutions are churning out.

Doctors are paid more all over the world.

Medicine is far more tasking than engineering especially in Nigeria where 'engine boys' are fun guys and med students are tied to their books

Five years does not equate to a minimum of 7 and potentially 9 years pre NYSC.

The entire educational system is flawed uproot and rebuild. Doctors that can't perform sophisticated surgery without foreign supplementary education, pharmacists that can't formulate new meds without foreign help, engineers that can't build any engine. E.g. Automobile engineer that can't adjust serpentine belt

This is a fight NSE and COREN should take up seriously. OP you spoke well jare don't mind your critics.
They should also let Engineering graduates observe their NYSC in Engineering Companies or Science & Technology Research parastatals #IMO

oyb:
I am an engineer and I am embarrassed for the half baked, ignorant, entitled jokers our institutions are churning out.

Doctors are paid more all over the world.

Medicine is far more tasking than engineering especially in Nigeria where 'engine boys' are fun guys and med students are tied to their books

Five years does not equate to a minimum of 7 and potentially 9 years pre NYSC.

Tell them ooh. Is it by number of years spent in the institution? He even mentioned law students who spend the same number of years with engineering students.

I don't think people are being paid for the amount of time spent in school or the difficulty of their course but the services they render during service. Most engineering students end up teaching like other corp members. Soo...

We all need each other.

I have complained about this time without number... have even attacked NSE on same issue and they promised to look into it. but till today nothing has been done

taaarrrr! common transistor radio our engineers can not build,what primary six equivalent can do in China. and they are here comparing.... yeye dey smell... most of them don't even know what resistor is, and they are here forming class ... shitpacker they clamour for recognition only in Nigeria that can happen.

Nigeria doctors that only knows how to treat malaria...lolz
Reason I stoped going to the hospital,cos they will bill you like criminals for just small malaria treatment

ultron12345:
It is jealousy and envy that will kill u.

Firstly, how many years did engineers spend in school pre nysc, just 5 years. Compare it to the number of years doctors spend in school pre nysc, 6 years, plus extra year for housemanship. And don't forget that 5 out of doctors 6 years are continuous, there's no semester break, unlike engineering students that have so many semester breaks and holidays, so by medical school standards, engineers spend less than 3 years in school.

Compare the cost of studying medicine and the cost of studying engineering, they pay higher tuition and their textbooks are d most expensive.

Finally, note that ur pay is based on ur productivity. If nysc engineers were serving in engineering and manufacturing facilities as professional engineers, then maybe their pay can be increased, but since they are working as teachers, then they ought to b paid as teachers. Nysc doctors serve in hospitals, doing their jobs as professional doctors, therefore, they are paid as doctors.


And for saying that doctors are useless without u pple because u made d machines they use, are u aware that u will not be alive today without doctors because sickness and disease for don kill u.

And how dare u compare mth and mee courses with with medical courses, engineering courses are childs play when compared withe medical courses. Seems u haven't seen ANA301 and PTH courses.

It is stupid greed that will kill you.

Engineering students go through alot more than medical students.

Greed!
Greed!

The system is just terrible. That's why there is all this injustice.

After passing under the tutelage of teachers and somebody is coming to write this. Go to Germany and see that nobody deserves better pay tahn teachers. Nigeria is not an egalitarian country because often the people that deserve better treatment are treated otherwise. Be you engineer, be you doctor... you don't have a case to make here.

You should have studied medicine then. This one na mumu post jor

I think engineering, medicine and law graduates should all be enjoying that special treatment.

Mr NYSC man, please don't vex.
Engineers are treated this way because this particular country can always import what ever products it needs from outside.
Here are a series of images to show what I mean.
The Iphone you use is designed in by american Engineers and fabricated in China. Nigeria just imports finished Iphone to use.
This renders all Nigerian Engineers useless in this process, design or manufacture.

The washing machine and home appliances that you use are designed and manufactured in western world. Nigeria just imports
the finished equipment to Alaba, Game/Shoprite, MegaPlaza..
This renders all Nigerian Engineers useless in this process, design or manufacture.

All the Cars we're all bragging with up and down, are designed and manufactured in western and eastern countries. NIgeria just imports
the finished cars. Cos Charis, Globe motors, Germain motors..
This renders all Nigerian Engineers useless in this process, design or manufacture.
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If Nigerian Engineers are useless to all these processes, how can you expect to get paid more during your NYSC?
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This is a sad reality you have to accept unless you can do something about our excessive importation.
...
I typed all these terminology into Google images. The result never brings up black people industry. Only white people industry.
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The 1st and 2nd image is a Chinese company making one of either Android phones or Iphones.

OP, corps doctors and other healthcare professionals work in their field (hospital or other health institutions) during their service and those institutions can afford to pay them that high. Yes, it is the institution (PPA) that pays the corps health professionals. Only few state governments give corps health professionals any state allowee

If you guys work in engineering firms, I'm sure you will be paid more. You don't expect to work as a teacher and be paid as an engineer.

I think your anger should be directed at your engineering regulatory body who has not taken it up to see that you guys are posted to your field for service.

seunH:


Sir, you summarize all what I wanted to say, for a start I'm a 500 level vet medical student and our allowance are also higher, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give honor to whom honor is due. Sir, I personally have a deep and profound respect for Engineers, sincerely it is not easy. From experience so far, you can survive in medical school (I studied Human Anatomy in my first degree) if you have a photographic memory, maybe have some little glitches in surgery but I doubt if photographic memory can help you in engineering. For example, I was speaking to an engineering student and he was giving me an instance of the nature of their questions. He said in some courses, they just give the questions, NO formula, you would have to think of the appropriate formula to use, derive the formula yourself before finally applying it to solve the question, Sir a dullard cannot do the above rather it takes someone with a high IQ. That is why I will always duff my hat for a 1st class engineering student. Furthermore inasmuch as we need doctors we also need engineers even more (my opinon tho), How? The last time I went to the hospital for treatment without exaggerating was more than 5yrs ago, not that I didn't fall sick but most of us still have an idea of what to do if we fall sick it is only if serious we go to the hospital. But for engineering can you count the amount of times you've visited a mechanic, electrician or even a generator repairer just this year? I'm sure we know the answer. The OP has a lot of valid points up there. But the problem facing their profession is quackery and laziness from the part of their association. If laws can be put in place, for example: ensuring all mechanic workshops are duely registered and licensed and the requirement is at least one B Tech or B Engineering holder incharge of that place, imagine the demand we would see for engineers (especially now that cars are getting advanced by the day). Also for civil engineering, No Building or construction should be approved by the government without showing the list of those who would work on the site, which must include a licensed civil engineer (B Tech or B Engineering). And many more opportunities I believe engineers and engineering students can add. In conclusion if the above is done, the demand for engineers both Nysc and Post Nysc would increase and their dues would be duly paid. Thank you

I sure die say ur school fees no be waste.

I really admire ur rational stance and the factual points u gave as regards to the topic of discussion.

Like u stated above, the reason for the poor recognition and incentives Nigerian engineers receives is as a result of laziness and disinterest from the engineering governerning bodies[COREN & NASE] to market and promote the profession In Nigeria.

The medical governing body did their homework properly and today we all know their success story.

OSUigbo:

It is stupid greed that will kill you.

Engineering students go through alot more than medical students.

Greed!
Greed!

The system is just terrible. That's why there is all this injustice.

upon all what u go through, what do u guys have to show for it, common renovation of 500m road, Nigerian engineers can't do, we have to bring engineers from India.

Una no know anything, that y Nigerians have deemed it right that u work as teachers during nysc

Why is that in every campus where there are engineering students the level of crime in that area is usually very high but campuses where Med, Nursing, Pharmacy, Med lab, Physiotherapy study there is virtually no incidence of crime?

Why is that more engineering students are cultists compared those in Faculty of health sciences?


There is a reason why students in Engineering are segregated from students in the Faculty of health sciences and put in different campuses.

Nelsizzy:
Instead of thinking of tangible innovations, you are here arguing about what profession is better. Even had the effontery to insult other professions. I laugh sha. In 5 years time, you guys will be buying ICAN forms just to swap profession.

wicked buy ICAN form

TemiGod:
*STUPIDITY OF OUR TIME THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED*


*Medicine and pharmacy students are collecting around #95000 or above during NYSC while Engineering students are collecting the same money as that of other faculties whose courses are run for four years. What is the benefits an Engineering students stand to get from his five years spell on campus with extremely difficult courses he took most of which are mass failure courses, the rate at which cannot be found in other faculties? That is what I called a faulty educational policy. The machines and tools used by both Pharmacist and medical doctors were designed by the engineers which means without the engineers the field of medicine and pharmacy cannot thrive. No Country's development is .measured by the work of medical doctor and pharmacist per se but by their production power which is strictly engineering dependent. That explain why Nigeria and other African countries are lagging behind in technological development. No country developed by treating her engineers like the way Nigeria treats theirs.*

*After taking MTH 101, 102, 104, 201 and 202, EEE 201, 202, MEE 203, 204, 205 and 206 which are all mass failure courses because of their application in science and technology of which no courses in every other faculties (medicine and pharmacy excluded) can be compared with them, the government still deem it fit to pay me #19800 that he paid political science students, economics, education students, Law students, English students, dramatic art students, accounting students and other non-technology students. An ordinary non technology students of tertiary institution has never failed any course throughout his time on campus except the extremely dull ones who cannot solve simple calculations and memorise simple theories. Continuation of such policy will never yield a positive development am afraid.*

*China developed by absolving into their economy their fresh Engineering graduates through giving them series of projects right from their time on campus to which they would find solutions to the problems (in project form) and that would in turn becomes their field of expertise they would dwell on with the government constructing an industry to that effect. That's how they developed.*

*Any country that neglect her engineering students will never taste true development. We are going to fight the useless policy until something is being done. This mediocrity has to stop.*

*Am advocating for a policy change. Engineering and Technology students deserves special treatment as there is no true development without engineers*

*By Salaam Taiwo Afeez*

please the mods should do the needful and move this to fp

where one can jejely enquiry the work of road side engineers and they can do it better.

I am an Engineer, too! But I love it the more when Engineers or Engineering students write their reports with ''sweet English''. I currently need Engineers in my place but just NEGODU NNO your write-up. Even when I write in Japanese or German which are other languages I speak, I try to be circumspect because the consideration for employing you starts from good language grammar with points. Majority of those Doctors you envy try harder to present their reports in correct language.

blackbeau1:
Dear Engineering graduates, have you ever been on 36 to 48 hr call ?

Shut up!
Liar!
Nobody can even be on so-called call for 24 hours.

Solve problems first before you ask for money. The doctors you mentioned solve problems without the government even knowing. Are you and your likes not looking for work in shell after graduatioon. What can you build and create as an engineering graduate . You mentioned China, are you aware what their engineers build. Can you build a calculator. All I see is another paper engineer.

Collinsony:
That is why we can't grow.. We have left the issue or the point the poster made and start dragging between engineering and medicine..
Let me come in here.. Engineering is never an easy course likewise medicine but the point here is Nigeria as a whole should not see Engineering as a low course or not relevant. No profession in this world can work with the other.. A medical doctor can't work with an engineer likewise an engineer working with a medical doctor..
In that case if the Fed government wants to pay ALAWEE to Corps member it shouldn't be selective or favoritism.. It should be the same amount that must be paid to all.. We are serving the father land and not a private business. I studied chemical engineering and I know how difficult it is so y'all medical students that talks stupidly about engineering should have it in mind that every course is as hard as yours.. The Fed government should put a benchmark on how much they will be paying every Corps member because everyone of them are all Nigerians.. Treat every one equally..

they cannot b paid equally, are they doing d same work. Salary is based on productivity. If u work as a doctor, u get paid as a doctor. If u work as a teacher, u get paid as a teacher. If doctors are working as teachers, then they will b paid as teachers, however, since they are working as professional doctors in hospitals, then they are been paid as professional doctors. U cannot work as a teacher and b paid as an engineer

MonPro:
Why is that in every campus where there are engineering students the level of crime in that area is usually very high but campuses where Med, Nursing, Pharmacy, Med lab, Physiotherapy study there is virtually no incidence of crime?

Why is that more engineering students are cultists compared those in Faculty of health sciences?


There is a reason why students in Engineering are segregated from students in the Faculty of health sciences in different campuses.

where did u even want to have the time to join cult self..
not saying there is none o but its rare and looks awkward,.
A medical student, cultist no no no, its awkward

hheheh, this OP is a joke, guy go meet Dr. Ilori let him educate you on the reason(s) why Engineers are paid that amount in NYSC. Anyways in case you don't find answers to that question from him, lemme help you out.
Engineers are not been exposed to practicals, needless to say this last semester we finished, you guys did not do any practicals cos NASU is on strike, lol
Engineers who are graduate most times are not employed and they eventually become teachers or at best become shop owners, most industries nowadays employ OND holders in contrast to their BSC holders. Last week over 700 OND holders wrote aptitude test in Nestle cos the instructions was that only ND holders should apply.
No enough room for Engineers to do internship, many of them end up in computer centres. lol
I will say no be una fault una no get enough motivation for research and development.
Engineering students that will tell you clearly that they are not meant to repair but supervise.
Engineers in Nigeria are not better than we social science and art students.
Needless to say OP is a frustrated OAU student, won ti sha gan.

Prophylactic:
wicked buy ICAN form

Quacks everywhere. They think of nothing but their pay check, no innovation just
copying established designs. SMH