ultron12345:
illiteracy is indeed a disease

Considering this world at large and even beyond, comparing Engineering to Medicine is just like fooling yourself!

My 2 cent.

Very correct, engineers are being neglected in Nigeria, that is why Nigeria can never develop.

Harbidexy5:

Durrrrth
Actually ain't in the mood to word with the likes of you Buh I still have to let yo know
And yo should stop arguing on the obvious
Come to oau we do Practicals like never before even being a survey student yo still do many practicals not to talk of tech stdnts that their final project is always inform of practical which they have to solve and defend before graduating


Now yo saying engineering are kinda useless in this same damn Nigeria tht her only means of survival is petrol
Now only a fool or ignorant will not know how important engineering is in this sector which is the life line for Nigerians survival
Or are the white folks the one to mine any discovered minerals in Nigeria? No.

Now tell me how much your so called medicine is generating for the country that president buahri had to Travel abroad for so Called sickness that yo addressed in the country

Ended up wasting our limited resources gong abroad to receive treatment

So get this straight to yo cramming skull
Or may be yo should also cram it

Engineers contribute immensely to this economy
Buh we are just wasting money on the irrelevant doctors

If this person is a graduate then it is easy to see why Nigeria is the way it is. He/she and the op have the intellectual capacity of 12-year olds.

fratermathy:
The problem with this article is that the OP berates other courses in the Arts, Social Sciences and even Medicine, in order to champion Engineering. That reeks of inferiority complex. You don't have to reduce other courses to champion yours. Engineering is what it is, and other courses are what they are. No one is more important than the other. Everyone contributes their own quota to the society.

This article would have read well and be non-controversial if not for the ill-informed bias of the OP towards other disciplines and vocations. Ironically, the Op is complaining of bias when he is the grand champion of it.

One is more than the other... The truth has to be told.

blackbeau1:
says who? Do u work at a hospital in nigeria ?

I did my nysc at national orthopaedic hospital Enugu and babe u lied .... u can't do a 24hr call ... its just a white lie

doctors deal with human lives so they should definitely have a leverage over other profession... but if u want to talk about a profession that can make u go crazy under 2days, talk about engineering...

vickatcch:
Nigeria doctors that only knows how to treat malaria...lolz
Reason I stoped going to the hospital,cos they will bill you like criminals for just small malaria treatment

You should be thanking God that you've only had malaria and not any other serious problem. Go to any teaching hospital and see various ailments that would leave you bewildered..

Ximenez:
It's just like an icebreaker. You need to try and find a way to make the patient your friend, to trust you and be ready to open up to you. That will make the major treatment to be easier. That's what good Doctors do. You can even crack jokes and chat with the patient as you would a normal friend.

It's even advisable to start with something like that if you want to clerk a patient. But it's the psychiatrists that need the skill the most, it's the major part of their job

Person wey dey die and no won die will open up to you before na. Your counterpart from foreign country don't engage in such question. And they get friendly with the patient. I still do not get the relevant of that question. I have never been admitted into hospital all my life and I do not go to hospital except the day I contacted gonorhia from one girl like that. Even people told me to take harb, but I prefer injection, that was why I went to hospital. I still do not know the relevant of that question.

seunH:


Sir, you summarize all what I wanted to say, for a start I'm a 500 level vet medical student and our allowance are also higher, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give honor to whom honor is due. Sir, I personally have a deep and profound respect for Engineers, sincerely it is not easy. From experience so far, you can survive in medical school (I studied Human Anatomy in my first degree) if you have a photographic memory, maybe have some little glitches in surgery but I doubt if photographic memory can help you in engineering. For example, I was speaking to an engineering student and he was giving me an instance of the nature of their questions. He said in some courses, they just give the questions, NO formula, you would have to think of the appropriate formula to use, derive the formula yourself before finally applying it to solve the question, Sir a dullard cannot do the above rather it takes someone with a high IQ. That is why I will always duff my hat for a 1st class engineering student. Furthermore inasmuch as we need doctors we also need engineers even more (my opinon tho), How? The last time I went to the hospital for treatment without exaggerating was more than 5yrs ago, not that I didn't fall sick but most of us still have an idea of what to do if we fall sick it is only if serious we go to the hospital. But for engineering can you count the amount of times you've visited a mechanic, electrician or even a generator repairer just this year? I'm sure we know the answer. The OP has a lot of valid points up there. But the problem facing their profession is quackery and laziness from the part of their association. If laws can be put in place, for example: ensuring all mechanic workshops are duely registered and licensed and the requirement is at least one B Tech or B Engineering holder incharge of that place, imagine the demand we would see for engineers (especially now that cars are getting advanced by the day). Also for civil engineering, No Building or construction should be approved by the government without showing the list of those who would work on the site, which must include a licensed civil engineer (B Tech or B Engineering). And many more opportunities I believe engineers and engineering students can add. In conclusion if the above is done, the demand for engineers both Nysc and Post Nysc would increase and their dues would be duly paid. Thank you

I tell you Bro. I'm a Mechanical Engineering student in Landmark University, my Machine Design 3 lecturer Professor Adekoya, once gave us a real life problem and we were to come up with design solutions using knowledge of equations relating to strength, rigidity etc.... Like it was a brain tasking thing, the fulfillment those of us that came up with our own personal designs that were feasible felt was so great . Even in other courses like fluid dynamics and Aerodynamics, heat and mass transfer etc same thing applies. So an Engineer's life involves engaging your own brain In creating solutions. Just reading and storing large amount of information without the ability to think and design solutions in one's own head would take an engineering student no where. Engineering is a course that actively engages the brain. I respect Medicine o, but most of my friends studying Medicine are always making it sound like Engineering is inferior to Medicine when it comes to the use of the brain. Since there are not much to show for it in Nigeria, I guess that's why Engineering has been so ridiculed and e dey painful I swear.

ultron12345:
illiteracy is indeed a disease

Let agree Illiteracy is a disease as you rightly said. But you as a literate doctor, van you explain the relevant of the useless questions to the treatment. You people will even be asking where the children are living as if they are the cure to the sickness. Explain to the illiterate the relevant of the questions.

ultron12345:
It is jealousy and envy that will kill u.

Firstly, how many years did engineers spend in school pre nysc, just 5 years. Compare it to the number of years doctors spend in school pre nysc, 6 years, plus extra year for housemanship. And don't forget that 5 out of doctors 6 years are continuous, there's no semester break, unlike engineering students that have so many semester breaks and holidays, so by medical school standards, engineers spend less than 3 years in school.

Compare the cost of studying medicine and the cost of studying engineering, they pay higher tuition and their textbooks are d most expensive.

Finally, note that ur pay is based on ur productivity. If nysc engineers were serving in engineering and manufacturing facilities as professional engineers, then maybe their pay can be increased, but since they are working as teachers, then they ought to b paid as teachers. Nysc doctors serve in hospitals, doing their jobs as professional doctors, therefore, they are paid as doctors.


And for saying that doctors are useless without u pple because u made d machines they use, are u aware that u will not be alive today without doctors because sickness and disease for don kill u.

And how dare u compare mth and mee courses with with medical courses, engineering courses are childs play when compared withe medical courses. Seems u haven't seen ANA301 and PTH courses.

The nigger Neva draw glycolysis pathway for exam hall before. Leave him to his rants

i am highly discourage.so engineers dnt av future in Nigeria??..i am a metallurgical and materrlials engineering fresher(oau)ile-ife....i am 19 years old...do.we have bright future in metalls industries...in general..is it a good course to study?pls i need advice and councelling bcause engineering in naija is sumtin else..base on wat i av seen on dis thread...

OSUigbo:

I said it earlier that the system is in a mess.
The reason why you see all those foreign expatriates is because of corruption to steal more money.
Nigerian doctors on the other hand are no better. An average Nigerian medical doctor graduate is useless abroad. They don't know anything. They have to go through series of training before they are allowed to practice. It's not the same for a foreign trained medical doctor.

All you people just do is to cram books written by someone to just pass. No critical thinking.

Only poor and average Nigerians with no choice make do of Nigerian doctors. Our politicians knows how ignorant u people can be.

It's a well known fact that the emboldened make up a very large percentage of the country’s population, so therefore Nigerian Doctors still get to treat millions of people.

On the contrary, every country has strict processes for allowing foreign doctors to work in their country, even foreign trained doctors write exams before they are allowed to practice in Nigeria. Besides haven't you heard of the mass migration of doctor to foreign countries? This counters your point that Nigeria trained doctors are useless.

i am highly discourage.so engineers dnt av future in Nigeria??..i am a metallurgical and materials engineering fresher(oau)ile-ife....i am 19 years old...do.we have bright future in metalls industries...in general..is it a good course to study?pls i need advice and councelling bcause engineering in naija is sumtin else..base on wat i av seen on dis thread...

Michael004:
Person wey dey die and no won die will open up to you before na. Your counterpart from foreign country don't engage in such question. And they get friendly with the patient. I still do not get the relevant of that question. I have never been admitted into hospital all my life and I do not go to hospital except the day I contacted gonorhia from one girl like that. Even people told me to take harb, but I prefer injection, that was why I went to hospital. I still do not know the relevant of that question.

They are even the ones that do it the most. Most Doctors and Nurses in Nigeria are not like that, they maltreat patients and transfer aggression to them

homesteady:


It's a well known fact that the emboldened make up a very large percentage of the country’s population, so therefore Nigerian Doctors still get to treat millions of people.

On the contrary, every country has strict processes for allowing foreign doctors to work in their country, even foreign trained doctors write exams before they are allowed to practice in Nigeria. Besides haven't you heard of the mass migration of doctor to foreign countries? This counters your point that Nigeria trained doctors are useless.

homesteady:


It's a well known fact that the emboldened make up a very large percentage of the country’s population, so therefore Nigerian Doctors still get to treat millions of people.

On the contrary, every country has strict processes for allowing foreign doctors to work in their country, even foreign trained doctors write exams before they are allowed to practice in Nigeria. Besides haven't you heard of the mass migration of doctor to foreign countries? This counters your point that Nigeria trained doctors are useless.

NIGERIA IS ONE COUNTRY THAT Doesn't VALUE ENGINEERING, THE NIGERIA FACTOR IS KILLING ENGINEERING BODIES LIKE COREN,NSE,NIMECH ETC

DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE PLEASE HELP TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF ENGINEERING PRACTICE IN THIS COUNTRY, THE OP COMPARISON IS NOT PERFECT BUT IT HAVE BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO THE POINT OF DEBATE, HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS SHOULD EMERGE TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM FACING ALL PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE IN NIGERIA.

I Have list some benefits of ENGINEERING, since medicine is the focal point of the debate.

note: Am only going to use some area of mechanical engineering like robotic engineering and biomechanics engineering to prove a point
only for people who can read and digest information.

SIX APPLICATION OF ENGINEERING TO MEDICINE
According to a recent report by Credence Research, the global medical robotics market was valued at $7.24 billion in 2015 and is expected to grow to $20 billion by 2023. A key driver for this growth is demand for using robots in minimally invasive surgeries, especially for neurologic, orthopedic, and laparoscopic procedures.

As a result, a wide range of robots is being developed to serve in a variety of roles within the medical environment. Robots specializing in human treatment include surgical robots and rehabilitation robots. The field of assistive and therapeutic robotic devices is also expanding rapidly. These include robots that help patients rehabilitate from serious conditions like strokes, empathic robots that assist in the care of older or physically/mentally challenged individuals.

Below are six top uses for robots in the field of medicine today.
1. Telepresence
Physicians use robots to help them examine and treat patients in rural or remote locations, giving them a “telepresence” in the room. “Specialists can be on call, via the robot, to answer questions and guide therapy from remote locations,” writes Dr. Bernadette Keefe, a Chapel Hill, NC-based healthcare and medicine consultant. “The key features of these robotic devices include navigation capability within the ER, and sophisticated cameras for the physical examination.”

2. Surgical Assistants
These remote-controlled robots assist surgeons with performing operations, typically minimally invasive procedures. “The ability to manipulate a highly sophisticated robotic arm by operating controls, seated at a workstation out of the operating room, is the hallmark of surgical robots,” says Keefe. Additional applications for these surgical-assistant robots are continually being developed, as more advanced 3DHD technology gives surgeons the spatial references needed for highly complex surgery, including more enhanced natural stereo visualization, combined with augmented reality.

3. Rehabilitation Robots
These play a crucial role in the recovery of people with disabilities, including improved mobility, strength, coordination, and quality of life. These robots can be programmed to adapt to the condition of each patient as they recover from strokes, traumatic brain or spinal cord injuries, or neurobehavioral or neuromuscular diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Virtual reality integrated with rehabilitation robots can also improve balance, walking, and other motor functions.

4. Medical Transportation Robots
Supplies, medications, and meals are delivered to patients and staff by these robots, thereby optimizing communication between doctors, hospital staff members, and patients. “Most of these machines have highly dedicated capabilities for self-navigation throughout the facility,” states Manoj Sahi, a research analyst with Tractica, a market intelligence firm that specializes in technology. “There is, however, a need for highly advanced and cost-effective indoor navigation systems based on sensor fusion location technology in order to make the navigational capabilities of transportation robots more robust.”

5. Sanitation and Disinfection Robots
With the increase in antibiotic-resistant bacteria and outbreaks of deadly infections like Ebola, more healthcare facilities are using robots to clean and disinfect surfaces. “Currently, the primary methods used for disinfection are UV light and hydrogen peroxide vapors,” says Sahi. “These robots can disinfect a room of any bacteria and viruses within minutes.”

6. Robotic Prescription Dispensing Systems
The biggest advantages of robots are speed and accuracy, two features that are very important to pharmacies. “Automated dispensing systems have advanced to the point where robots can now handle powder, liquids, and highly viscous materials, with much higher speed and accuracy than before,” says Sahi.

Future Models
Advanced robots continue to be designed for an ever-expanding range of applications in the healthcare space. For example, a research team led by Gregory Fischer, an associate professor of mechanical engineering and robotics engineering at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, is developing a compact, high-precision surgical robot that will operate within the bore of an MRI scanner, as well as the electronic control systems and software that go with it, to improve prostate biopsy accuracy.

To develop robots that can work inside an MRI scanner, Fischer and his team have had to overcome several significant technical challenges. Since the MRI scanner uses a powerful magnet, the robot, including all of its sensors and actuators, must be made from nonferrous materials. "On top of all this, we had to develop the communications protocols and software interfaces for controlling the robot, and interface those with higher-level imaging and planning systems," says Fischer. “The robot must be easy for a non-technical surgical team to sterilize, set up, and place in the scanner. This all added up to a massive systems integration project which required many iterations of the hardware and software to get to that point."

In other research, virtual reality is being integrated with rehabilitation robots to expand the range of therapy exercise, increasing motivation and physical treatment effects. Exciting discoveries are being made with nanoparticles and nanomaterials. For example, nanoparticles can traverse the “blood-brain barrier.” In the future, nanodevices can be loaded with “treatment payloads” of medicine that can be injected into the body and automatically guided to the precise target sites within the body. Soon, ingestible, broadband-enabled digital tools will be available that use wireless technology to help monitor internal reactions to medications.
“Existing technologies are being combined in new ways to streamline the efficiency of healthcare operations,” says Keefe. “While at the same time, emerging robotic technologies are being harnessed to enable intriguing breakthroughs in medical care.”


MECHANICAL ENGINEERING APPLICATIONS IN BIOLOGY AND MEDICINE


Engineering as a professional has been on the backbone to the development of the world and co
Mechanical engineering, with its scientific theories and mathematical analysis methods, have found itself in other disciplines and has become an essential core in understanding several problems. One of those disciplines is medicine and biology.

What does mechanics serve as other technologies, particularly medical and biological sciences? Mechanical engineering covers a wide variety of subjects and its relation to medical technologies started when engineers wanted to use mechanical engineering principles to solve certain problems in medicine.

These technologies range from small individual parts to large systems that can be involved in almost every aspect of technology. Mechanical engineering covers topics related to energy, fluid mechanics, dynamics, robotics, solid mechanics, heat transfer, design and manufacturing, maintenance and control. This diverse background helps mechanical engineers, as well as scientists in the mechanical field, to play a critical role in solving global issues and challenges of many areas of interest outside mechanical technologies.

Medical areas such as pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics would not have emerged without the principles of mechanical engineering. In fact, mechanical engineering principles are now deemed fundamental in the understanding areas in immunology, orthopedics and cardiovascular physiology. The combination of new techniques and disciplines have paved the way for the merging of mechanical engineering and medicine. Such notion would be hard to imagine two decades ago.

Current Technologies
Biomechanics is the application of mechanical principles in the study of living organisms including their kinematics (description of motion) and kinetics (actions of forces associated with motion), it views the human body as a collection of levers, made of bones which are moved by its muscles. In sport and exercise, where mechanics can be involved to analyze the performance of athletes based on their interaction with the equipment.

According to the scale in which the study or the application is done, we can distinguish between biomechanics and mechanobiology. Biomechanics focuses more on body segments and its interaction with the surrounding environment while mechanobiology is concerned more with the level of cells — it dwells on the behavior of physical forces and transfer in cell and/or tissues.

Nanotechnology is the understanding the behavior of matter at infinitesimal dimensions called nanometers (a nanometer is one-billionth of a meter; a human hair is about 75000 nanometers in diameter), where incredible properties enable emergent applications. Considering combination between nanoscale science, engineering, and technology, nanotechnology covers sensing, imaging, measuring, manufacturing, control and manipulating nanoscale matter. In mechanics, the integration of nanotechnology is focused on three main topics including nanostructures (carbon nanotubes), Nano-fluids and microfluidics, and nanorobotics. In following, we present the application of these Nano-mechanics topics in medicine and biology.

Carbon nanotubes
Carbon nanotubes (CNTs) are nanoscale structures made of pure carbon that are long and thin and shaped like tubes. These molecules are same sized and structured in chemical bonding and aligned by Van der Walls forces into ropes. The length of CNTs can reach a few millimeters while its diameter is in the order of a few nanometers.


Cancer is arguably one of the most complicated diseases in the world. World Health Organization (WHO) declares cancer as one of the main causes of morbidity and mortality worldwide, with approximately 14 million cases in 2012. Anticancer drugs like Chemotherapy or Radiotherapy often have physiological, biochemical and cellular toxic side effects. Several methods in many fields, including carbon nanotubes, is a subject of many efforts to reduce this problem. Carbon nanotubes have unique mechanical properties that strongly minimize the effects of many therapeutics.

Taxoid is a chemotherapeutic agent to block proliferating cancer cells. Carbon nanotubes have been explored as a tool in nanocarriers for the exploration of novel drugs. There are large varieties of nanoscale drug delivery vectors like single-walled carbon nanotubes (SWCNTs). As CNTs are needle-like shape, they have been involved in injection and integration into target cells. Also, CNTs are combined with the anticancer agent toxoid as a cleavable linker. In order to ensure the target cell, the drug is transported via endocytosis and released into the cell. Microtubules interact with the drug as evaluated by flow cytometry thus formatting a stable microtubule-toxoid complex.

Another novel application of carbon nanotubes is a drug delivery method called smart drug delivery. This is a method of high recognition of cancer cells or cancer tissues in order to deliver medication with high precision. It is efficient for the lymphatic system; metastases of certain cancers can be effectively inhibited by subcutaneous injection. Adsorption on the PAA-CNT surface is possible through coprecipitation of Fe3O4-based magnetic nanoparticles, polyacrylic acid (PAA) can be added to CNTs to become highly hydraulic.

Smart Cancer Cell
Smart Cancer Cell Targeting Imaging and Drug Delivery System

In the “longboat” anticancer system, carbon nanotubes are used for cancer treatment based on a functionalized single-walled nanotube attached to a complex mixture of cisplatin and folic acid derivative via covalent or noncovalent bonding to comprise the “longboat” which has been reported to be taken up by cancer cells via endocytosis.

Computational Fluid Dynamics
Another area where mechanics show promise in medicine is computational fluid dynamics. Computational fluid dynamics (CFD) is an engineering tool that connects mechanics to mathematics and software programming to execute simulation performing how a fluid (liquid or gas) flows based on Navier-Stokes equations which are the main mathematical formulation modeling all phenomena of fluid mechanics.



The solution of these equations is elaborated by implementing structured and unstructured meshes using numerical methods such as (finite volume method, and finite element method). CFD has been around since the early 20th century as a tool analyzing air flows around cars, aircraft and performing the cooling systems of data centers and electronic chips.

CFD software like Ansys, Solidworks, OpenFOAM, ADINA, etc. are playing a key role in medicine and biology, where researchers create virtual reconstructions of different human organs, surgical options, and blood flow system. It is common to combine fluid dynamics results with a simplified model of the human body such as the vascular and pulmonary systems. Simulations can help determine, with an acceptable accuracy, the distribution of blood across the arteries including possible energy losses at surgical connections.

CFD analysis of flow
CFD analysis of flow in the mid cross section of idealized aorta


Challenges and Outlooks
Nanotechnology has advanced in theoretical and practical research in all fields of biomedicine. Cancer treatment gained new grounds as the line between nanotechnology and immunotherapy continue to blur. Carbon nanotubes antibodies now exist that can identify and destroy tumor cells. Many experiments have been done to show the possibility of anticancer immune reaction increase of tumor cell by using CNTs as delivery Media.

The ongoing development of computer technology allows the increase the mesh resolution of numerical models used in computational fluid dynamics. Indeed the blocker that inhibits the growth of such promising technology is the technology of computers. But as long as Moore’s Law is true, we can expect more advancement in this field in the future. This is also true for mechanical engineering in biology and medicine as a whole.

CSTR2:
That is the problem. Engineers corpers work as teachers.

And there is no way you can expect to be paid as much as people who work in a hospital.

If the FG starts posting engineers to oil firms, refineries and food manufacturing companies, doctors salaries will no longer look special.

The main solution is to stop posting graduate engineers to public schools.

You get the point and I think the government should look into this so called NYSC scheme, it should be reviewed.
For crying out loud, we have a lot of graduates that studied education in the university, let them be posted as teachers in these secondary schools, it adds to their professional experience. Let our graduates be posted to relative industries, it will add to their cognitive experience in their respective field of study.
Most engineering graduates gain little or nothing out of NYSC as compared to our fellow professional degree holders (Law, Architecture, Pharmacy, Medicine etc.)
God will help this nation.

This shouldn't be about how one course is superior to another, the op has a valid point but was not well presented. There is no need comparing and trying to relegate one another, but the government sure needs to do something to encourage our technology oriented graduates. The situation is really discouraging.
I even wonder what the professional bodies like NSE are doing about this.

Well, the poster lacks Insight on the origin of his problem.. We can agree that the enginerring profession is another shithole in Nigeria, no thanks to the Nigerian factor that have made it so.

Enginerring study in Nigeria is just a breeding ground for graduates that will contribute nothing to the society thereafter. No practical development, no innovation, no design of solutions and at the end you have people that have successfully sortted their courses Unleashed to the society, only to come out to ignore their problems and start fighting the medical profession, which has guided its training in all sincerity.

I want the enginerring profession to grow In Nigeria like in advanced countries.. ... I recommend that Nigerian government should see the india movie 3 IDIOTS and apply that format to the enginerring training in Nigeria.

Ximenez:
They are even the ones that do it the most. Most Doctors and Nurses in Nigeria are not like that, they maltreat patients and transfer aggression to them

This particular question I asked, I have asked a doctor the last time I visited hospital and he couldn't give me an answer.

yusman14:
i am highly discourage.so engineers dnt av future in Nigeria??..i am a metallurgical and materrlials engineering fresher(oau)ile-ife....i am 19 years old...do.we have bright future in metalls industries...in general..is it a good course to study?pls i need advice and councelling bcause engineering in naija is sumtin else..base on wat i av seen on dis thread...

Lil bro plz fire on with ur field of study. Dont be discouraged. It may get even better during ur time. Focus

Rangojack:

You get the point and I think the government should look into this so called NYSC scheme, it should be reviewed.
For crying out loud, we have a lot of graduates that studied education in the university, let them be posted as teachers in these secondary schools, it adds to their professional experience. Let our graduates be posted to relative industries, it will add to their cognitive experience in their respective field of study.
Most engineering graduates gain little or nothing out of NYSC as compared to our fellow professional degree holders (Law, Architecture, Pharmacy, Medicine etc.)
God will help this nation.

You are very correct. And they will be complaining about experience.

yusman14:
i am highly discourage.so engineers dnt av future in Nigeria??..i am a metallurgical and materrlials engineering fresher(oau)ile-ife....i am 19 years old...do.we have bright future in metalls industries...in general..is it a good course to study?pls i need advice and councelling bcause engineering in naija is sumtin else..base on wat i av seen on dis thread...

It's a great course to study and very rewarding at the end you'll know a lot across many areas however engineering is being battered in many nations at the moment automation robotics and efficiency means the task 3 engineers would have been required for can be done by 1 engineer even worse It can be done by a lesser paid technician overlooking a robot.
All an engineer is needed for is to designs and certify these days.

Don't think your BSc would be enough in the future look into taking a MSc and if you can find a job abroad take it. There are plenty jobs in UAE and Asia for engineers

Michael004:
This particular question I asked, I have asked a doctor the last time I visited hospital and he couldn't give me an answer.

It's under the social aspect of medicine.

sweetgala:


It's a great course to study and very rewarding at the end you'll know a lot across many areas however engineering is being battered in many nations at the moment automation robotics and efficiency means the task 3 engineers would have been required for can be done by 1 engineer even worse It can be done by a lesser paid technician overlooking a robot.
All an engineer is needed for is to designs and certify these days.

Don't think your BSc would be enough in the future look into taking a MSc and if you can find a job abroad take it. There are plenty jobs in UAE and Asia for engineers

...lol..u said MSC??i am frm a poor home..infact i av not pay my school fee while others av paid..its closin next week friday...i am working,but underpaid...i really need help

@SoldierBoy1
fellow, relax. I have an idea or a solution.
1, pls ask him which proffession produced all the medical instruments/machines/equipment he uses, that make his work so easy.
2, Can they accept u ppl exchange/ interchange 2 courses for fun?
I mean, u offer 2 of his 2yr courses (in addition to ur normal yr engr'g courses) and while he does 2 of ur 2 engr'g courses (plus his normal med courses).
Pls make sure u give him any of these 2: fluid analysis, machine design, tech drawing, engr'g maths and (one 2yr maths u go solve d whole course without seeing figure/number; it has real analysis as well).
Forget matter and enjoy ur world na our unorganise NSE keep us for this condition

SEE THEM. Awon omo science students........ . Continue fighting Engineering Vs Medicine

IamGoke:


One is more than the other... The truth has to be told.

The fact that you have to state this means that your course is not as important as you think. Important things are not meant to be emphasised, they speak for themselves!

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TemiGod:
*STUPIDITY OF OUR TIME THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED*


*Medicine and pharmacy students are collecting around #95000 or above during NYSC while Engineering students are collecting the same money as that of other faculties whose courses are run for four years. What is the benefits an Engineering students stand to get from his five years spell on campus with extremely difficult courses he took most of which are mass failure courses, the rate at which cannot be found in other faculties? That is what I called a faulty educational policy. The machines and tools used by both Pharmacist and medical doctors were designed by the engineers which means without the engineers the field of medicine and pharmacy cannot thrive. No Country's development is .measured by the work of medical doctor and pharmacist per se but by their production power which is strictly engineering dependent. That explain why Nigeria and other African countries are lagging behind in technological development. No country developed by treating her engineers like the way Nigeria treats theirs.*

*After taking MTH 101, 102, 104, 201 and 202, EEE 201, 202, MEE 203, 204, 205 and 206 which are all mass failure courses because of their application in science and technology of which no courses in every other faculties (medicine and pharmacy excluded) can be compared with them, the government still deem it fit to pay me #19800 that he paid political science students, economics, education students, Law students, English students, dramatic art students, accounting students and other non-technology students. An ordinary non technology students of tertiary institution has never failed any course throughout his time on campus except the extremely dull ones who cannot solve simple calculations and memorise simple theories. Continuation of such policy will never yield a positive development am afraid.*

*China developed by absolving into their economy their fresh Engineering graduates through giving them series of projects right from their time on campus to which they would find solutions to the problems (in project form) and that would in turn becomes their field of expertise they would dwell on with the government constructing an industry to that effect. That's how they developed.*

*Any country that neglect her engineering students will never taste true development. We are going to fight the useless policy until something is being done. This mediocrity has to stop.*

*Am advocating for a policy change. Engineering and Technology students deserves special treatment as there is no true development without engineers*

*By Salaam Taiwo Afeez*

please the mods should do the needful and move this to fp

I pray nothing will be done about this..... Imagine you calling other faculty ordinary non technology student... A mere.... Bla bla bla... Who forced u to science na.... They used to fail u people bla bla bla.... Who's business is that..... Oh non science student don't av carry over aside mere dull one.... Honestly this post is stupid as person that post it� you are a science student what innovation or tech av u done..... Just nothing and u want increase na..... U Wil continue to collect 19500 or whatever they pay u.... Most of u aint even innovative.... Who waste money on such student..... Imagine this one... the only tin u achieve in life is been science student n u discriminate calling other a mere/ordinary.... What abt if u build plane or anything..... Honestly all Nigerian science students non has build anything worth been paid better money..... Highest y'all manage to do is drone that can't even stay 30mins up dere... When y'all worth it something will be done.... Bye

abeg op, shey na only eng. studnt spend 5 yrs in sku ni? agric studnt sef dey na. law guys nko

We just have to lobby the senators and house of reps to effect laws that will make engineers relevant in the system, it was the same during my time and the worst of it is that engineers will be posted to schools to teach, only few are sent to companies.

Legend16:
Well, the poster lacks Insight on the origin of his problem.. We can agree that the enginerring profession is another shithole in Nigeria, no thanks to the Nigerian factor that have made it so.

Enginerring study in Nigeria is just a breeding ground for graduates that will contribute nothing to the society thereafter. No practical development, no innovation, no design of solutions and at the end you have people that have successfully sortted their courses Unleashed to the society, only to come out to ignore their problems and start fighting the medical profession, which has guided its training in all sincerity.

I want the enginerring profession to grow In Nigeria like in advanced countries.. ... I recommend that Nigerian government should see the india movie 3 IDIOTS and apply that format to the enginerring training in Nigeria.

I can't like this post enough.... Everybody even the government knws they don't solve any shit after school.... But they want big pay.... Aw many of em r innovative on their own.... Let even assume the system of nigeria doesn't add much to em.... Aw many among em solve problems in the society with little experience they...... Even the op might nt be able to do anything at all aside been science student.... Lol